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Wren Archer:bc::trans_heart:🏹 (wrenarcher@beige.party)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 03:19:27 JST Wren Archer:bc::trans_heart:🏹
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There's is so much that Sen Mark Kelly would bring if he got the nod for VP on the #Harris ticket.
But Minnesota consistently will #VoteBlue and replacing Gov Tim Walz with another Dem is more likely to happen than giving the nod to Kelly.
It's a risky move to pull a Dem senator from Arizona, despite a Dem governor in place to appoint another Dem for two years.
Would love to see Mark Kelly but my bet is on Walz or Beshear. This article says it's between Walz and Shapiro but the PA gov is problematic in my opinion.
This article from Reuters published 45min ago as of this toot.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/kamala-harris-announce-vice-president-pick-before-battleground-states-tour-2024-08-05/
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  🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 03:19:24 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
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  @CoachMark
  I cant in good conscious support a party that is pro-genocide. Never mind Harris's horrible history of women's and trans rights.
  I plan to vote for the good guy (shocker I know)... chase oliver is my top pick for the moment. Green party's Stein might get my vote if i change my mind.
  I just cant imagine anyone supporting the level of evil the democrats and republicans have demonstrated, not to mention incompetence.
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  I'm hoping for Walz - but I'll vote for Harris even if she picked a pet rock for VP
  The alternative is disastrous for the US and the World. It's so obvious - yet so many people have been conned/fooled, or are just happy voting GOP because they share the same ugly traits as their grifting leader.
  
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  @CoachMark
  Thanks for sharing.
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  Coach Mark (The Enemy Within) (coachmark@beige.party)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 03:24:25 JST Coach Mark (The Enemy Within)
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  @freemo @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews 🤣🤣🤣🤣
  That's all I've got. But you do you.
  
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  🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 03:32:07 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
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  Thats why I said Chase Oliver is my first choice.. Stein would be a compromise at best... basically anything is better then Harris vs Trump.
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  Burnt Veggies (burnt_veggies@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 03:32:08 JST Burnt Veggies
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  @CoachMark @freemo @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews The same Stein that's in Putin's pocket?
  
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  🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 03:34:08 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
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  I dont think so, but if they turned out to be related I wouldnt be that shocked :) They both give the same nerdy vibe in some ways.
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  Coach Mark (The Enemy Within) (coachmark@beige.party)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 03:34:09 JST Coach Mark (The Enemy Within)
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  Chase Oliver - is he related to John Oliver? 😉
  
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  🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 03:41:21 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
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  @WrenArcher @CoachMark @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews > Well, I've got a little more.
  Always welcome a respectful discussion, please feel free.
  > I'm begging you Doc Freemo ( @freemo ) don't do that. I'm sure you know history of U.S. elections is replete with examples of how casting a protest vote is not a protest at all. This is very evident in swing states.
  It is not a protest vote. It is the only kind of vote anyone should ever cast, it is a vote for the best candidate, plain and simple.
  > Had Hillary garnered those "protest" votes and independent voters, she would have won. We wouldn't have the situation we have with the Supreme Court to the degree that it is now.
  While not having Trump in office would have certainly been a good thing, having Hilary there I doubt would have done us any good. I mean sure the supreme court has some wackadoodles on it since Trump had his way, but with Hillary we probably would have been knee deep into WW3 by now. Replacing one incompetant man with another (or woman) wont fix a damn thing.
  > We wouldn't have the tax cuts that were given to corporations.
  I'm kinda neutral on that, our taxes are pretty high but i dont mind it either way rteally
  > Roe vs Wade would not have been overturned.
  Roe v wade should have never been the way we protected abortions. From a legal standpoint it made no sense and using privacy as a means to protect abortions was always a plan doomed to fail. The democrats should have been pushing for a amendment to protect abortion from years ago. Ask yourself why they never proposed such a thing ever? Because having abortion be at risk is exactly what the democrats want, it gets them elected. Same for republicans, gets them elected.
  > But if you live in a swing state, this trans girl is begging you... please do not throw your vote away on the Libertarian or Green Party candidate.
  I am not throwing away my vote, I am voting deliberatly and with intent for the person who is objectively the best canddiate, nothing more, nothing less.
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  Wren Archer:bc::trans_heart:🏹 (wrenarcher@beige.party)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 03:41:22 JST Wren Archer:bc::trans_heart:🏹
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  I'm begging you Doc Freemo ( @freemo ) don't do that. I'm sure you know history of U.S. elections is replete with examples of how casting a protest vote is not a protest at all. This is very evident in swing states.
  Had Hillary garnered those "protest" votes and independent voters, she would have won. We wouldn't have the situation we have with the Supreme Court to the degree that it is now. We wouldn't have the tax cuts that were given to corporations. Roe vs Wade would not have been overturned. Covid wouldn't have been politicized as much as it was.
  Now if you live in Texas (like me) Florida, Tennessee, Oklahoma or any other deep red state... then more power to ya. But if you live in a swing state, this trans girl is begging you... please do not throw your vote away on the Libertarian or Green Party candidate. Please don't.
  https://rollcall.com/2019/07/29/how-third-party-votes-sunk-clinton-what-they-mean-for-trump/
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  Unabogie for Kamala Harris (unabogie@urbanists.social)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 03:41:23 JST Unabogie for Kamala Harris
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  Your concern for trans rights is so strong that you're helping enact Project 2025 that promises to harm trans people?
  Amazing.
  
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  🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 03:49:36 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
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  Nah, that would be the people voting for Harris and/or Trump. If they would refuse to vote for evil people then Trump wouldnt get into office (or Harris).
  Remember, a vote for Harris is a vote for Trump (2-party voter logic).
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  🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 03:53:14 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
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  Right, which is what I am doing. Harris and Trump represent fascism, and while Chase Oliver isnt perfect he is a good compromise between freedom and fascism.
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  GFJacobs Is Still Masking (gfjacobs@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 03:53:15 JST GFJacobs Is Still Masking
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  The "compromise" would choose the middle ground between democracy or fascism.
  Erm, what would that be? Who would that be? How would they even get there???
  
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  🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 03:55:25 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
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  Agreed, we have to do away with blue states all together, it is selfish and immature to be in such a state and let others throw away their vote in support of a two party system, one of the most harmful things to society and america is the two party system, the false narrative keeps evil people in power even when we have good decent choices right there on the ballot.
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  Unabogie for Kamala Harris (unabogie@urbanists.social)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 03:55:26 JST Unabogie for Kamala Harris
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  I liken voting to vaccination and herd immunity. Some people don't vaccinate because everyone else is and that protects them. Likewise, anyone who claims to "already live in a blue state" is only enjoying that status because other people are voting on their behalf. It's selfish and immature.
  
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  Ralph058 (S/he/it) AF4EZ (ralph058@techhub.social)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 03:55:27 JST Ralph058 (S/he/it) AF4EZ
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  @WrenArcher @unabogie @freemo @Burnt_Veggies @CoachMark @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews FL, TX, and TN all could be in play...if enough women, minorities, and young people register and vote. I believe that the LGBTQ+ numbers are much higher than are assumed. I think the whole age spectrum matches the 20+% of the under 25. I think the rest of the age groups are still in the closet.
  
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  🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 04:01:27 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
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  Ahh good old mastodon toxicity as usual. cool story bro.
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  GFJacobs Is Still Masking (gfjacobs@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 04:01:28 JST GFJacobs Is Still Masking
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  Yup read his TL.
  Definitely a troll.
  Thanks for playing #WhackATroll (tm @laffy)
  Buh-bye.
  #blocked
  
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  HotTubMemeMachine for Harris (hottubmememachine@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 04:02:06 JST HotTubMemeMachine for Harris
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  @freemo @unabogie @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews Stein is a Russian flack. She ate dinner with Putin and Flynn in Moscow.
  No candidate is ever going to be perfect. You have to vote your conscience, of course, but you’re going to have to hold your nose somewhere.
  
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  🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 04:02:06 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
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  Well I expect and want my candidates to meed with foreign leaders. So if **all** someone has is they had dinner once, that means very little to me on its own.
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  If that were true you'd discuss the why and how in a constructive way rather than resort to the insults I'd expect of a toddler.
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  Catherine is Horrified (catdragon@mastodon.world)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 04:07:41 JST Catherine is Horrified
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  @freemo @WrenArcher @CoachMark @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews your SCOTUS take is only one an extremely self absorbed male would hold.
  
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  🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 05:28:51 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
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  Or you can do what I actually suggested and not vote for either of the evil fascists and pick a decent human being for once... give it a try, bet you'll like it!
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  Wallflower 🌺 (waitnwallflower@beige.party)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 05:28:52 JST Wallflower 🌺
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  Yup. Makes more sense to install the fascist who has told us all his plans to end democracy and support all the facists around the world. I'm sure all the suppressed people will be much better off when that happens. 🙄
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  🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 05:31:26 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
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  I beleive you meant to say something?
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  No, the vote was already split. If you dont want to split the vote try giving us a not-evil-option.. Voting for evil options and forcing those of us with a shred of decency to refuse to support of vote for it.. thats what splits the vote.
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  Wallflower 🌺 (waitnwallflower@beige.party)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 05:34:18 JST Wallflower 🌺
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  It's a two party system. Voting third party splits the votes. We saw that in 2016.
  It didn't go well.
  Also, Stein is in Putin's pocket. It's intentional.
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  🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 05:36:05 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
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  Except she isnt. The MAGA's are focusing on all sorts of stupid stuff and mud slinging just like the Dems constantly do. The truth is the reality about her are things like her anti-trans track record.
  The truth is if the right were at all objective they would love Harris, she hates all the same people they do. Namely women, and trans people.
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  Coach Pāṇini ® (paninid@mastodon.world)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 05:36:06 JST Coach Pāṇini ®
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  If Kamala Harris is even close to the type of person whom her imaginary enemies think she is, then isn’t that a net plus?
  
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  🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 05:41:09 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
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  I never once said I would only vote for the perfect canddidate. None of the candidates are perfect, if that were the case I wouldnt be voting.
  No, my line in the sand is simple, I wont vote for an evil person or vote in a way that perpetuates a two party system (which itself is evil and fascist in its nature).
  
  Those parties can change, but it usually requires some sort of cataclysm first.
  The two main parties int he USA have flipped 8 times in the history of the USA. In those 8 times every single time the new party that became a majority party had very little (~1% support) the year before.
  The only thing that is real about the 2-party system is that it gives the illusion of a two party system because the parties change abruptly and the vote doesnt tend to reflect actual support.
  
  So, voting outside of those two parties really, truly is nothing but performative.
  Since your axiom is false so is your conclusion. You also are under the mistaken impression that a vote that happens to be for the winner somehow has more value. Being right doesnt have any value add to your vote.
  
  If someone is committed to voting third party, my only response is: What the fuck?
  Thats basically my response whenever someone says their voting one of the major two parties. Sounds like they should be in a straight jacket its so outlandish.
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  @freemo @Burnt_Veggies @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews Again, you’re treating the election like a marriage, so you will only vote for the “perfect” candidate that checks all of your boxes, even if he has zero chance of ever being President. Elections need to be approached like trying to get where you wanna go by bus, only you find out no bus that you can take will get you there. The logical thing to do in that situation is to take the bus that gets you as close to where you want to go as possible, and then look for another bus that will get you even closer. But you go ahead and have your little protest vote and if Trump wins because of morons like you, it’s on your head.
  
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  Nothing remotely american about a two party system except the stupidity to believe it is real.
  
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  @freemo Oh I see! So you hate the two-party system! What else do you hate? The Constitution? Maybe you need to find another country to live in that’s more to your liking?
  
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  🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 06:19:28 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
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  Nope, Chase Oliver.. Only way I would be voting for Trump is if I voted for Harris.
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  ADHDean (adhdeanasl@beige.party)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 06:19:29 JST ADHDean
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  @freemo So you’re voting for Trump. @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews
  
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  🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 13:45:25 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
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  > First, how is voting for a fringe candidate who cannot win anything or accomplish anything any kind of compromise, let alone a good one?
  Cause who wins or looses will in no way be effected by your vote. So your vote has no more value if you happened to pick the guy who won or the guy who lost, that outcome is the same regardless.
  So since voting for the guy who happens to win accomplished absolutely nothing as well the question is how is voting for a third party candidate, presuming he looses, accomplishing something. Simple, your nudging the percentage points for third parties higher, and the percentage for primary parties lower. This in turn effects botht he calculated (projected) chance of a third party being a challenger int he future, and drives greater support to third parties (as they are harder to write off the higher their percentage points go).
  So in short, while voting for a majority candidate absolutely does no good, even if it wins, voting third party **always** does good regardless of if they win.
  > Second, explain to me exactly how Kamala Harris represents fascism.
  In much the same way the republicans do. With violent exclusionary opposition to even mild criticism of their party. and the fantacism that goes along with that. Combine that with her general support of police and an unwillingness to fix (or even recognize in any meaningful way) the deep rooted issue with police in this country, and combine that with the genocide she supports in palestine the fascism meter is cranked all the way to 11.
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  Grassroots Joe (joeinwynnewood@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 13:45:26 JST Grassroots Joe
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  Please explain to me two things.
  First, how is voting for a fringe candidate who cannot win anything or accomplish anything any kind of compromise, let alone a good one?
  Second, explain to me exactly how Kamala Harris represents fascism.
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  🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 14:01:33 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
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  This is a flat out lie. Of the more than 120 million votes cast in the 2016 election, 107,000 votes in three states effectively decided the election.
  You told me it was a lie, and then provided evidence of why I was correct. You’re doing it wrong :)
  So assuming you were part of that 107,000 that means if you voted one way the same person would have won with a 107,000 margin, if you voted the other way they would have won with a 106,999 margin. The outcome would have been exactly the same no matter how you voted if you were part of that 107K group. No matter how small the group is, as long as it is greater than 1 you changing your vote will not effect the vote of anyone else int he group, therefore the outcome is unchanged by your vote.
  
  It was less than 1/2 that in 2020.
  You would have to find a case where it was 1/107000 that number to show even a single counter-example to my claim, so again, still proving me right.
  
  The same is true for dozens of Congressional races, hundreds of state office races and many thousands of local races across the country.
  We are talking presidential election here. But sure, ill bite, even if we included congressional races you’d still have to show such a race coming down to a single vote, which you cant. Even if you could the odds of being that one person who decides a vote the one time in all of history it is likely to happen on a major election is still so astronomically high it is effectively 0 even if it did happen once somewhere.
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  "Cause who wins or looses will in no way be effected by your vote."
  This is a flat out lie. Of the more than 120 million votes cast in the 2016 election, 107,000 votes in three states effectively decided the election.
  It was less than 1/2 that in 2020.
  The same is true for dozens of Congressional races, hundreds of state office races and many thousands of local races across the country.
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  Thats the kind of bias I expect. I didnt really expect you to get past this point, its soo subjective to have a chance.
  If thats really how you feel im not even going to touch that one. It comes across as just too far gone to be able to reason with in terms of bias.
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  "In much the same way the republicans do. With violent exclusionary opposition to even mild criticism of their party."
  Also a flat out lie.
  There is a cacophony of voices within the Democratic Party who argue incessantly over all manner of policy and governance, from Cori Bush to Joe Manchin.
  If your goal is to harm the party, you're not going to get much of a welcome, nor should you expect otherwise.
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  Right, as I said I didnt really expect a fair or objective (unbiased) opinion on this half of the question. Like I said your opinion on this half isnt particular interest for me to debate as I dont expect it to get anywhere productive if you are that far gone (biased).
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  "an unwillingness to fix (or even recognize in any meaningful way) the deep rooted issue with police in this country"
  Lie number 3.
  “Part of what we have to do here is also look at the militarization of police departments and, and the kind of money that is going to that. And we need to demilitarize police departments”
  https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/26/politics/kfile-kamala-harris-praised-defund-the-police-movement-in-june-2020/index.html
  PS You can't do anything at all if you can't get elected.
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  Last I checked we add up all the votes for each race.
  
  If you bothered to read the article you would know the 107k was across not one but three states, and they were not distributed evenly.
  Thanks for the rude condescension.
  So remind me In which of those states/countries would a single flip of a vote have changed the outcome? Oh right, none. Thus out of those 107K people not if you were any one of those people changing your vote would have not changed the outcome, full stop.
  
  You also ignore state and local races. I can find you several PA House races that were decided by under 60 votes in 2022.
  Again as I said, it doesnt matter if it was decided by 2 votes, that still isnt even a single counter example. Because even if it comes down to 2 votes that are the deciding vote, even then my vote wont change the outcome, but voting third party will have a positive income.
  
  The margin of Democratic control is two seats.
  All well and good but until there is a statistically significant chance of my vote being the determining vote, then my choice in a vote has absolutely no impact on the outcome. So your argument has failed every attempt to argue to the contrary,.
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  Last I checked we add up all the votes for each race.
  If you bothered to read the article you would know the 107k was across not one but three states, and they were not distributed evenly.
  You also ignore state and local races. I can find you several PA House races that were decided by under 60 votes in 2022.
  The margin of Democratic control is two seats.
  Every vote really does matter.
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  As I said, I have no interest in debating this assertion of yours. Take a hint.
  You did a great job at proving one thing though, the toxicity of the democratic party to criticism is very much alive and well I see.
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  What a load of crap.
  I said nothing of how I "feel".
  Is Cori Bush not part of the Democratic caucus in the US House and Joe Manchin in the US Senate?
  Facts certainly can be hard to argue against.
  Past my bed time. I'll see if you come up with anything worth responding to in the morning.
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  In a majoritarian, first-past-the-post voting system, you’re not at all voting FOR a 3rd party candidate. Use your thinker. If you want to change things, change the voting system itself.
  
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  There are 40 countries that ellect with FPTP and I dont know of one of them that claims a two-party system. So that is a bit of a myth that is easily enough debunked.
  The 2 majority parties have also been replaced by a new major party 8 times in the history of the USA. We even within the USA we know we arent locked in to two parties.
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  The 8 times I was talking about was specifically the presidential election. Moreover not only did a third party win, but in every case except for one the third party became the new majority party and the majority party that lost went out of existance. So 8 times.
  The fact that it hasnt happened recently should tell you that it has nothing to do with FPTP (since we had that for our whole history and had 8 transitions) but rather something more recent to blame.
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  @freemo @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews when was the last time a POTUS was voted in who wasn’t one of the 2 at-the-time-current majority parties?
  
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  Hey, dude, you left behind the united states to move to the netherlands.
  
  Good for you. I’ve heard it’s really nice there.
  Only partly true, I have a home in the USA, Netherlands, and until recently Israel.
  
  Not all of us are so fortunate to be able to leave all the deep structural problems behind and watch politics like it’s a fucking spectator sport, because we fucking live here.
  No argument from me that I am more privileged than most and will largely be more resistant to an abusive government than most as a result.
  
  We have to live with the consequences of this election, and you get to sit back, point and laugh whatever the outcome.
  Incorrect, we both have to live with the consequences though, as I said, I still have a home there. I also do all of my business out of the USA (thats where my company is). So despite my privilege I am certainly effected still.
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  @freemo Hey, dude, you left behind the united states to move to the netherlands.
  Good for you. I've heard it's really nice there.
  Not all of us are so fortunate to be able to leave all the deep structural problems behind and watch politics like it's a fucking spectator sport, because we fucking live here.
  We have to live with the consequences of this election, and you get to sit back, point and laugh whatever the outcome.
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  So enjoy your fucking techbro money from a country with functional healthcare and social safety nets. Point and laugh at how foolish we are for not already being as enlightened as you.
  Oh no, not at all. The healthcare here is far from functional. While it is broken just as deeply as in the USA it is broken in very different ways. I would not wish the european healthcare system on my worst enemy, it has already forced me to get one surgery I didnt need as a consequence of the abusive wait times (since the non-invasive treatment would take months to schedule).
  
  Something fairly consistent in my interactions with europeans on Masto is how arrogant they are when commentating on american politics.
  Ahh I see your intent was a toxic discussion now filled with personal attacks… Your opinion on europeaners or anyone else just lost all value.
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  @freemo So enjoy your fucking techbro money from a country with functional healthcare and social safety nets. Point and laugh at how foolish we are for not already being as enlightened as you.
  Something fairly consistent in my interactions with europeans on Masto is how arrogant they are when commentating on american politics.
  Looks like you're acclimating perfectly well to european living in that regard.
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  > so each was on its way already to becoming a majority party and entrenching itself. Gotcha. And WHEN was the last one?
  No actually not at all. In every case where a new party came in and took over a majority party it had <1% support int he previous election. These new parties that come in and replace existing majority parties in 7 out of 8 of the cases all happened over the course of a single election. In the one outlier it was over the court of 2 elections.
  > And WHEN was the last one?
  Quite some while back, Its about a generation back, something like 80 years ago. Which again is to my point, the fact that it has happened 8 times already and has not happened **recently** means the underlying cause is something recent and not FPTP which we had through that entire time.
  > My only point was that THIS election, a 3rd party vote is nothing but a not-D and not-R vote, because there is no 3rd party groundswell.
  As stated in virtually all cases of a switch of parties there was no building "ground swell" in all cases the switch of party was abrupt and over the course of just a single election.
  Moreover as stated earlier, its a pointless argument because there is no rational argument that a vote for a candidate that wins, particularly when your vote does not swing the outcome, has any more value than a vote for a canddidate that looses, again, when your vote wouldnt have caused the swing. Since votes never really come down to a single vote, your vote will never swing the outcome, so there is little incentive for you to pick a canddidate you dont like as much simply because you think they would win.
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  @freemo @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews so each was on its way already to becoming a majority party and entrenching itself. Gotcha. And WHEN was the last one?
  My only point was that THIS election, a 3rd party vote is nothing but a not-D and not-R vote, because there is no 3rd party groundswell.
  Maybe you’ll luck out and get a political quake with a 3rd party rushing to the fore again, which most likely would be the MAGA party, as separate from the GOP. Would you like that?
  
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  Hello. In ALL American elections, "third party" "protest" votes are empty. They do nothing substantive.
  Had we a parliamentary system, they could be used with good effect to build other parties.
  That is not our system.
  And, a reminder: ALL ELECTIONS for the next 50 years are going to be about unseating Fascists & electing w/#ProDemocracy candidates.
  
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  > Hello. In ALL American elections, "third party" "protest" votes are empty. They do nothing substantive.
  A common, but very much inaccurate myth. They arent protest votes, they are votes for the best choice, nothing more, nothing less.
  Second, there is no rational argument to claim a vote for someone who happens to win, when your vote does not decide/swing the result, somehow has more value than a vote for someone who looses. Since in both cases your vote didnt change the result, there is no argument either vote has more value than the other.
  That said there **is** an argument for value for a third party vote, and that value exists regardless of who wins (as I explained earlier in the thread). So there is a very clear argument for a third party vote.
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  @katanova @godofbiscuits @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews > You left the united states, but you can’t let it go. You’ve decided to spend your time trolling the people who are putting sincere care and effort into trying to build a better future
  I have told you three times now I have not left the USA. I am literally sitting here right now, I have a home here, a business, and spend more than half the year here. I have not left.
  If you want to make an “appeal” start by listening to what the other person actually said. No one will take you seriously when you repeat the same wrong things someone has told you three times and yet you keep repeating it because you want to win some argument that doesnt exist.
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  @freemo I make one final appeal to you: go worry about your own problems, and stop wasting our time
  You left the united states, but you can't let it go. You've decided to spend your time trolling the people who are putting sincere care and effort into trying to build a better future
  Your opinions are not helpful. You are not making the world better. You will be affected only marginally whatever the outcome of the election is
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  So we just going to ignore the SESTA act she supported that denied trans women of the hormone or all the danger she put sex workers in more generally from that act? Yea ok....
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  Hello. Your impression of Harris' record on LGBTQ and Women's rights is absolutely factually wrong.
  Her presence as POTUS is WELCOMED by both communities and by the organizations that are constantly fighting for the civil rights of those groups.
  https://19thnews.org/2024/07/kamala-harris-lgbtq-support/
  https://www.advocate.com/news/kamala-harris-pulse-pride-reception
  https://www.washingtonblade.com/2024/08/05/kamala-harris-represents-hope-for-lgbtq-indians/
  https://glaad.org/fact-sheet-harris-jobs-economy-housing/
  https://womensmediacenter.com/news-features/the-impact-of-vice-president-kamala-harris
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/06/23/harris-voice-abortion/
  There are more articles.
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  You’re just ignoring structural reality of the election system. And you should know better. Without proportional representation, extreme minority votes are erased. By definition of majoritarian counting.
  
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  So what part of all that do you feel developed in recent times but was absent in the past (when parties were switching more often)?
  Seems to me I ddint ignore that all, those inequalities for minors were **worse** int he past, suggesting we would have had a 2 party system back then too, yet we didnt.
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  There is absolutely no value to a third party vote when US democracy hangs on the line and the margins of winning are so very narrow.
  For, indeed, Biden won some states in 2020 by mere thousands of votes. Every vote counts.
  As you're living in the Netherlands, you have no skin in the game re who wins the WH and re the perpetuation of US democracy.
  Have you read PROJECT 2025? It's a promise.
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  @beccanalia @godofbiscuits @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews > There is absolutely no value to a third party vote when US democracy hangs on the line and the margins of winning are so very narrow.
  And yet, unless that vote comes down to a single vote, the choice of vote I make will have absolutely no change in the winner. So while a vote for a major party wont have any net positive good, a vote for a third party would, regardless of if they win (for the reasons I previously explained).
  
  For, indeed, Biden won some states in 2020 by mere thousands of votes. Every vote counts.
  And yet even if i was one of those “mere thousands” of votes that Biden won his margin by… even then no matter who I voted for would not have changed if Biden won, thus produced no net good.
  
  As you’re living in the Netherlands, you have no skin in the game re who wins the WH and re the perpetuation of US democracy.
  No as I explained I live in the USA and the Netherlands, until recently also Israel. Right now I spend more time in the USA than the netherlands as this is where my company is.
  
  Have you read PROJECT 2025? It’s a promise.
  Yea, I am aware of the project, I know it was done without any input from Trump (supposidly) and Trump has denied any connection with it. That said I I would expect him to do things as bad or worse. Which is why its a good thing I am 1) voting against him and 2) ensuring my vote focuses on tearing down the 2 party system in the hope that once we accomplish that we will never see another person like Biden or Trump again.
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  @beccanalia @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews > She owns up to it and stands by that decision.
  Exactly, which is why she is an absolute disgusting human being. If she actually apologized and recognized it and many of her decisions were wrong, if she showed an ounce of humility she might have stood a chance with me.
  
  However, she is STILL accepted by the LGBTQ community and is WELCOMED as a POTUS candidate.
  The fact that an abusee praises their abuser isnt an argument that will hold much weight with me. Also speaking about the LGBT community as if its a monolithic thing with a single opinion is just not accurate. I certainly know some LGBT who support her, and an huge number who dont as well. Most who support her I find buy into the 2-party system myth rather than due to actually liking her (most of the time).
  
  Her history of LGBTQ support reaches back to 2004 – earlier & more constant than Pres. Obama’s at that time.
  Her “support” is words, her actions shows very much the contrary.
  
  This is a good article about her history with the LGBTQ community and issues that concern them the most: https://19thnews.org/2020/08/kamala-harris-complicated-lgbtq-choice/
  Does this aerticle contain only praising references or does it include a mix of both her good points and her mistakes? I dont mind reading an article but based on how you talk it sounds more like its going to be a propaganda piece and ill be wasting my time listening to someone tell me why I should be as bias as they are and find nothing wrong with her of any kind. If the report is honest and includes good and bad in an actually objective sense, then ill be happy to read.
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  Bec (beccanalia@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 15:42:34 JST Bec
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  She owns up to it and stands by that decision. However, she is STILL accepted by the LGBTQ community and is WELCOMED as a POTUS candidate. I TRUST THEIR decisions re who they choose to support.
  Her history of LGBTQ support reaches back to 2004 -- earlier & more constant than Pres. Obama's at that time.
  This is a good article about her history with the LGBTQ community and issues that concern them the most: https://19thnews.org/2020/08/kamala-harris-complicated-lgbtq-choice/
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  🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 15:47:41 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
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  @godofbiscuits @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews > First off, 80 years is more like FOUR generations.
  True usually when people talk about generations they talk about the time to average child bearing age, not the length of time of a lifetime. What I meant here was a single persons lifespan.
  
  Second, the last non Democratic, non Republican President was Millard Fillmore
  To be clear here I didnt actually answer your question, because I misread it as being applicable to my claim.
  I claimed the majority party changed 8 times and the last time was 80 years. That is not the same as saying a non-majority party won all those 8 times. Some of those 8 cases represent presidential wins, some of them simply represented a new majority party pushing out an old, but not corresponding with a presidential win during that year (and by some future point when the new party does win has now been established as a majority party so wouldnt count by your criteria).
  Specifically in the case of 80 years ago, we are talking about a third-party becoming one of the two majority parties, but not becoming the winning party,. 80 years ago was also the one time out of 8 that I had mentioned that the thuird party did not retain majority status after wards. In all other cases, 7 of them, the new majority party remained a majority party and I beleive in all cases eventually had a presidential candidate in office.
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  Jeff Barbose 🏳️‍🌈 🇺🇦 ❤️ 🇱🇺 (godofbiscuits@sfba.social)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 15:47:42 JST Jeff Barbose 🏳️‍🌈 🇺🇦 ❤️ 🇱🇺
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  First off, 80 years is more like FOUR generations.
  Second, the last non Democratic, non Republican President was Millard Fillmore, who was elected not 80 years ago, but *173* years ago in 1850, and he was a member of the Whig Party, which collapsed shortly after Fillmore was out of office at the end of his only term, after which the Republican party, which rose from the ashes of the Whigs, the Free Soil party and similarly-driven Democrats, took its place.
  So, you were saying?
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  🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 15:49:59 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
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  > Wrong. Your vote IN ADDITION to millions of other votes MATTER.
  IU never said your vote doesnt **matter**... i said your vote wont cause any different outcome to occur if you vote priumary party, but CAN have a positive impact if you vote third party... What "matters" is a philosophical thing, I care about action and effects. The effect of my action of voting red or blue is that it effects no change of any kind, whatever decision I make the outcome is the same. In contrast the effect of my action of voting third party is a positive effect (as I descrived in my lead in) regardless of who wins the actual election or if i effect it.
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  Bec (beccanalia@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 15:50:00 JST Bec
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  Wrong. Your vote IN ADDITION to millions of other votes MATTER.
  That's what the process IS, the accumulation of votes that create a block of support in whatever is your home county / city from which you receive your ballot.
  All votes matter. They matter so very much that the Now XoFascists (formerly the Republican Party) has spent the last EIGHT YEARS passing voter suppression laws.
  Your vote matters!
  a/
  
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  Bec (beccanalia@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 15:50:08 JST Bec
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  This is a good conversation.
  Alas, I need to sleep.
  Until later, Folks.
  
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  sleep well.
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  Amikke (amikke@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 20:11:08 JST Amikke
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  @freemo this kind of "my vote doesn't matter" logic is a fallacy. It's not the diff votes that made a candidate win, it's also all the other votes that brought them high enough to be those diff votes. Your vote can be considered the first vote, the exact first tie-break vote, the last no longer important vote, it doesn't matter, they aren't in order, what matters is that it was one of the votes that made a candidate win or the ones that made a candidate lose less.
  "My vote doesn't matter" defeatism is how elections are lost.
  
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  🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 14:50:07 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
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  Whatever the reason, for the third time, not interested in debating it.
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  @freemo @gfjacobs @Burnt_Veggies
  My assertion? My statement of facts that you don't want to debate because there's no debating facts.
  There's nothing toxic about calling out lies and bullshit. What's toxic is letting lies and bullshit stand unchallenged.
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  Death by Lambda (xdydx@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 14:51:28 JST Death by Lambda
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  Also as long as the US has the #ElectoralCollege, voting for any third party is wasting your vote, and more likely than not enabling #fascists who will kill a lot of #minorities and #LGBTQ and obliterate every single one of the well-meaning positions you have in you bio.
  But you go ahead and vote #third-party - You are white, and make. YOU will be fine.
  
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  We have had an electorial college for the history of the USA and yet we have had third-parties take over as majority parties 8 times in history (7 times where the change was long lasting). So clearly we have historic examples to show this is false.
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  Ted Johnson (halfheartedfanatic@mas.to)'s status on Thursday, 08-Aug-2024 04:51:40 JST Ted Johnson
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  I want Kamala Harris to be the Republican candidate, so I can vote for the Democratic Socialist on the left with broad support and a realistic plan to decarbonize the economy in their first 100 days. I also want ranked-choice voting, a cure for baldness and pet pony. I don't live in that world. So I'll vote for Harris and the Democratic coalition, because it's my best nudge in that direction.
  
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  I am 100% with ya!
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  Grassroots Joe (joeinwynnewood@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 08-Aug-2024 04:51:41 JST Grassroots Joe
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  Must be tough to not be able to defend your bluster.
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  Not as tough as you having a tantrum over someone not being willing to discuss something with you. Grow up.
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  Grassroots Joe (joeinwynnewood@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 08-Aug-2024 06:37:22 JST Grassroots Joe
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  I've been wondering why you've got so many followers. It must be for the performance, mediocre as it is, because it certainly isn't for the substance.
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  @joeinwynnewood LOL well it helps when you respect peoples boundaries and if someone says they dont want to engage, you dont.
  Just having basic level of respect for peoples boundaries goes a long way when it comes to popularity. As you said, its certainly not my “performance” because I dont do much of that.
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  🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 08-Aug-2024 06:58:46 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
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  @joeinwynnewood yes, to express an opinion that you think is wrong and a mischaracterization, and refusing to debate it further is absolutely respectful. Even if i happen to be wrong about my opinion there is nothing disrespectful about refusing to engage with someone who has behaved toxicly and given every indication it would be a waste of my time.
  
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  @freemo
  Because it's respectful to completely mischaracterize what I've written and then refuse to explain or defend?
  
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  May I ask what you’ve done/are doing to move things in a direction where a Democratic Socialist could be someone with broad support?
  You can ask. But after quite a few messages of you violating very clear boundaries I set it has soured me on wanting to have any conversation with you as it gives a clear indication it will be quite toxic and unrewarding for everyone involved.
  If you’d like to apologize for your behavior, such as insults and personal attacks, and I feel that apology is sincere I’d be more than happy to make another attempt at engaging with you. But right now, you’ve convinced me there is no value in interacting with you.
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  Grassroots Joe (joeinwynnewood@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 08-Aug-2024 07:02:34 JST Grassroots Joe
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  I applaud your realism.
  May I ask what you've done/are doing to move things in a direction where a Democratic Socialist could be someone with broad support?
  PS How close do you think Tim Walz is to that "ideal"?
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  🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 08-Aug-2024 07:08:49 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
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  Interesting that you felt it necessary to respond and that you think you’re the one due an apology.
  My mistake, I thought you were addressing me. Carry on then.
  
  Why don’t you just block me?
  Why would I do that?
  
  Seems like you need to continue to engage despite “not being interested in debating”.
  I never said you cant talk to me or engage in any capacity. I expressed a disinterest in talking about certain topics, no more, no less.
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  Um, uh, I didn't ask you I asked @marcelias
  Interesting that you felt it necessary to respond and that you think you're the one due an apology.
  Why don't you just block me?
  Seems like you need to continue to engage despite "not being interested in debating".
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  🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 08-Aug-2024 07:11:26 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
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  In fact, you’ve done more to QED my original point of how the left is extremely toxic to criticism that blocking you would be counter productive. You’re continued responses arer doing more to prove the very thing your arguing against than any response from me could have ever hoped to do…. why int he world would I block that, its gold!
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