@mona Congratulations microsoft for gaining yet another fanboy that obeys your orders unquestionably, which obey even to the point that their thoughts are shaped to to point that they think your proprietary malware is "need"(ed) - without even realizing it.
Rejoice, as rather than escaping to freedom by installing GNU/Linux, all of them are content with installing systemd/Linux inside a carefully watched, glorified VM (we can't have them writing free software without being able to grab every line and insert it into proprietary software can we?).
They even go so far as to refer to the systemd OS as "Linux" - just as the proprietary plan requires.
@SuperSnekFriend@poa.st why would i ditch windows when I can run Linux natively on top of my Windows forever losing the need to access Linux through a VM or duelboot and keep all the things I need on Windows?
@mona >I can remote into another machine with audio input and output bridged with low latency I can remote into any GNU machine anywhere in the world even over a connection slower than dialup and carry out any required computing tasks via ssh.
I can even tunnel X over that ssh session for GUI things, but why would I want to do that?
Meanwhile good luck getting RDP to work over even high-speed 56k dial-up.
>a feature that's been available on macos and windows for years Taking a gamble I reckon GNU/Linux had that feature before macos and windows did, via VNC.
There is free software that does such sort of remote desktop feature; https://remmina.org/ and supports all the protocols; RDP, VNC, SPICE, ssh+X etc
To get audio input and output bridged, you'll need to have systemd/Linux with pulseaudio installed, but of course you'll love that.
But of course you won't come to freedom - you'll continue surrendering your freedom to microsoft no matter what.
@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com i will gladly stop using macos and windows the day I can remote into another machine with audio input and output bridged with low latency a feature that's been available on macos and windows for years
@SuperSnekFriend >Thinking WSL or VM "WSL2" is a VM that does pretty much what virtualbox does, except worse.
"WSL1" was a worse implementation of what cygwin or MSYS2 offered (except they slapped something in that was pretty much reverse WINE to not require recompilation of software written for GNU/Linux), with GNU, but no Linux.
@mona >putting unnecessary overhead and layers on your computer just to "own" me in getting fucked by Micro$hit >Thinking WSL or VM will stop you from getting fucked by Micro$hit
@mona >99% of their bullshit is avoided by using a different version and blocking them with firewall rules That is a false sense of security - every single update adds more malware and spyware - meaning every firewall rule added is soon bypassed.
>testing with a (bad) meme distro like arch, memeifing it even harder and blaming anything but yourself when it turns out not to work. I tested out Remmina on Gentoo and it worked fine with acceptable latency, so you have skill issues.
@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com microsoft isn't a god and 99% of their bullshit is avoided by using a different version and blocking them with firewall rules also I've used that setup before as I've ran linux only for many years and guess what? remotely accessing a device via ssh works fine, via GUI is a little bit more iffy and not the same as RDP, RDP however works 100% and using the free software to access another machine with my audio pass through it either is multiple seconds behind or it sounds just awful this with a systemD free system running arch accessing another device on the same network in the same switch
now let's review this as I've done this exact setup on the following systemslaptop running windows 10 ltsc laptop home baked arch install no systemd^ the arch system was ran on the same laptop before that it was on an old imac but both had the same issue mac pro 2013 running latest macOS with open coreonly the mac and windows install was able to complete this task with high quality and low latency the setup to complete this task on either a Windows system or macOS system took 5 minutes to install all needed software and configure
running this same task on my arch install with the software you listed took some googling and setting it up for the first time about 15 minutes of installing researching why it wouldn't work at first and finally getting it to work with worse results
so at the end of the day this is a single part of my workflow that sure it /works/ but it doesn't work as well or is as simple and why would i waste time when i can get back to work faster on another system?
@skylar@mona@SuperSnekFriend oiiiii a toggle to unfuck "my" OS :soy_hyper: only 342358 toggles to go that will be ignored or change after any update :soy2:
@skylar@phnt@mona@SuperSnekFriend yeah man IT doesn't has anything better to do anyways so being forced to change all hardware every couple years and watch out for all the software compatibility issues with legacy software thanks to windows shitty proprietary installation culture is actually a good thing. your bio is missing MS sales rep and/or 🤡
@mona@SuperSnekFriend@DarkMahesvara@skylar With the Win11 specs requirement and bypassing there's a potential danger of updates breaking a system when they are compiled with the new CPUs in mind. And since running below the minimum specs isn't supported it's a nice "feature" for MS to force even more people to buy new HW.
@phnt@mona@SuperSnekFriend@DarkMahesvara honestly, forcing people to upgrade to new hardware is a benefit to IT departments everywhere if you can just link a microsoft document showing that it's straight up not compatible, you don't have to argue with some retarded cheap boomer about all the reasons why their shitbox PC from 2009 isn't going to work well when updated to windows 11 in 2024
@DarkMahesvara@varishangout.net@phnt@fluffytail.org@skylar@misskey.yandere.love@SuperSnekFriend@poa.st yeah the 10 being the last OS was an odd move and done as a selling point but consumer retards didn't see number go up so they were forced to change to something else i do agree the hardware specification is retarded bull shit for 11 it's not needed 11 isn't that much of a major change to need that but it's so easy to get around that when you flash even a home version of 11 with rufus there's a box to completely disable it so it's even more confusing
@phnt@mona@skylar@SuperSnekFriend sure buddy. they would never lie. like the most recent example where they promised windows 10 was the last windows but then made 11 with artificial hardware specification for business so they are forced to not only buy software but also hardware. if you put any trust into microsoft you are either below the age of 10 or hopefully paid by them.
@DarkMahesvara@mona@skylar@SuperSnekFriend I think Microsoft doesn't have courage to fuck over enterprise customers that run Pro versions of Windows just to fuck over the few Pro home users.
my point is if that requirement weren't there, people would demand infinity meetings and calls about why can't their shitbox computer from 2009 be upgraded, browbeat someone into doing it, and then scream and cry that it's slower than shit.
@skylar Many computers from 2009 weren't in fact slow and stuff like 16GB of RAM wasn't unheard of.
Computers haven't got that much faster since 2009, since the main thing slowing things down is memory speeds and memory hasn't got that much faster - the main improvement has been power efficiency, but power consumption wise, the amount required for manufacturing exceeds the efficiency gains if one partakes in the typical degenerate behavior of landfilling a computer every 2 years and buying a new one.
A good computer from 2009 would only would require a drive upgrade to a SSD to run most of the currently available proprietary malware, alas microsoft is really good at making things exponentially more bloated and slower.
@skylar@mona@SuperSnekFriend@DarkMahesvara On Linux you won't even try unless you have the source code for it. Bit rot after 5-10 years is a very real thing and a reason why most enterprise software target ancient versions of Ubuntu/Debian and RHEL.
@DarkMahesvara@phnt@mona@SuperSnekFriend look if you don't have a process down for imaging and deployment of new workstations, you're gonna have a bad time no matter what OS you use. legacy software is the worst part, but windows is miles ahead of anything else for legacy compatibility. you can be reasonably sure that an application from 15, 20, or even more years ago is going to still work today. on linux, you're going straight to dependency hell from the decades worth of accumulated breaking changes.
@skylar >a computer from 2009 with absolute top of the line components, hell even a dual or quad socket server, would be dogshit slow at the bare minimum task of opening a web browser. Meds now. My thinkpad from 2008, which is mobile hardware designed for power usage over performance has no problem opening Tor Browser, which is firefox that is patched a bit.
It performs acceptably for browsing the web.
Even if I were to start executing proprietary malware JavaScript, that would still work.
You seem to have attached images of a non-real world bechmark that means nothing.
>it's not just microsoft working hard to undo all the hardware performance gains, but literally everyone who writes software. GNU software works great on my machines.
@Suiseiseki a computer from 2009 with absolute top of the line components, hell even a dual or quad socket server, would be dogshit slow at the bare minimum task of opening a web browser. best case scenario, you're looking at a first gen i7, probably 24GB of DDR3-1600 (i don't remember if 8GB modules were around yet so we'll assume 6x4 in a regular ATX board), a GTX 295, and a SATA3 SSD capable of a few thousand IOPS. it ain't looking good.
it's not just microsoft working hard to undo all the hardware performance gains, but literally everyone who writes software.
@picandor >Windows has a larger userbase than Linux That is a false claim. Android uses Linux as its kernel and its userbase is far larger than Windows.
It's true that windows has a larger userbase currently than GNU/Linux or systemd/Linux, but GNU/Linux adoption is increasing, while windows usage is *dropping*.
@tomie@beardalaxy@skylar@mona@SuperSnekFriend I don't think that's entirely true. Windows has a larger userbase than Linux, so that's part of it, they have the favor on their side.
@beardalaxy@skylar@mona@SuperSnekFriend when windows shits the bed it's always an unfortunate incident which happens once in several years if ever with linux it's just an expected end
a good windows install using these simple tools is a much better experience than linux is in my personal opinion. that isn't to say that linux is a bad experience if you know what you're doing and really like tinkering around with things, but at the end of the day i just like the way windows works more. it makes it easier for me to do everything that i need to do instead of fiddling with things as much. and as much as it sucks, most software either works better on windows or the commercial software is leagues better than the foss stuff. i still have yet to find a colorblind filter better than windows' for instance, and the one that someone made for me for linux just didn't work and neither of us could figure out why... which seems to be a trend when it comes to me and linux lol.
right now i'm running win11 and i don't even have notifications, the action center, copilot, cortana, bing search, any telemetry garbage, stripped out services, and more and it only took a little bit of work to setup. explorerpatcher was a godsend too, because i'm much more familiar with win10. win11 gets a little toooo modern with things, i think win10 is a really good sweet spot between looking nice and being functional.
that being said, i had to upgrade to windows 11 because my win10 install decided to shit itself. i had that happen with a mint installation though recently too so it's not like linux is free from random issues popping up like that either. don't know what happened to the windows one, but the mint one i think it's because something updated without another thing updating first and it destroyed it to the point i had to just do a fresh install.
@phnt@Suiseiseki@skylar >they leave the old one in and create new calls that don't disrupt the old ones. A php mysql_real_escape_string basically. Something that is almost non-existent in the Linux world.
@nugger@phnt@Suiseiseki they can make fun of me for my fat 30GB WinSxS folder all they want but last week i played a video game from 2004, straight off the original ISO
@Suiseiseki@skylar >When it comes to software actually designed to run on the kernel, Linux - Linux does a much better job than windows. Grab a 5 year old version of glibc and try to compile it on a modern toolchain. Spoiler alert: it will very likely fail, because the compiler is too new.
>Linux's SYSCALL ABI has not changed, so you can install whatever version of systemd/Linux and the elf prime that does DeCSS will still run. The syscall ABI does not matter when glibc breaks ABI on almost every minor release. If you grab a compiled version of Firefox from 5 years ago and fix all the dynamic link errors with symlinks to your own libraries, it very likely won't run. A Windows version would. And also Linux ABI has changed, mainly when it comes to PCI calls. There was even a compatibility header for those changes that was removed somewhat recently.
>Although windows tries not to change anything and thus maintain legacy compatibility Instead of changing the current API, they leave the old one in and create new calls that don't disrupt the old ones. A php mysql_real_escape_string basically. Something that is almost non-existent in the Linux world.
>With the source code of the software, you just compile it, fix up any compile failures and suddenly you have a working binary. Yes, you can have a functioning binary. After many hours and sometimes days of fixing errors that is. I've done this myself to GCC and binutils when I was compiling the last version of them with Solaris 7 support. It's not trivial and prone to breaking if you don't fully understand the codebase.
I don't get why infidels can't help but to associate 100% GNU/Freedom with "FOSS" degeneracy.
>that should have gone in the e-waste a decade ago >Working hardware that is blazing fast due to how the processor is clocked at billions of Hz with billions of bytes of RAM should be scrapped and put through an acid bath to extract the gold and what remains dumped into a river. Rip mother Earth faced with a few more billion of you degenerates.
>the browser must perform well while displaying both the zoomer ADHD cat on the twitch player and the moldy pink rabbit on the youtube player yt-dlp+mpv can play both a twitch url and a youtube url at the same time far better than a browser ever could, but why would I want to do that?
@Suiseiseki >FOSS shills are this disconnected from reality i could not give less of a fuck how a browser with no javascript performs on ancient hardware that should have gone in the e-waste a decade ago the browser must perform well while displaying both the zoomer ADHD cat on the twitch player and the moldy pink rabbit on the youtube player
@allison@Suiseiseki@mona@lispi314 you dont need dbus for pipewire? shit maybe i need to give it an honest try. hard to be an alsa fan when mics never work
> it uses shitton of disk space it uses less the more shit you install with it and can be further improved. and probably nobody suffers from lack of storage space on desktop today, I have root on 128gb ssd I got for $12, 55 flatpaks installed and there's still 40gb free to hide my porn in /lib64/. it sucks comparatively but people spend resources on way worse shit every day > the packages are poorly maintained and audited people will say this and point to AUR in the same breath. keeping your pc supplied with trusted software with cohesive supply chain takes effort and commitment, but most people run binaries from github so it clearly doesn't matter to them > the sandbox doesn't work this meme comes from the gay story news sites have been running, "flatpak is sandboxed like android :)". it's very much not like android and the defaults in most packages leave many holes to preserve expected functionalities - in this regard it's true that the sandbox is inadequate. but flatpak also lets you tweak it to restrict programs as much as you're comfortable with, and in this way the sandbox works perfectly well. > it's too complex welcum 2 ganoo slash linux
@BronzeAgeHogCranker@Aether@SuperSnekFriend can recommend Bazzite. Been using it for the last week, and it's pretty "fire and forget". It incentivizes you to use containerization for the user applications, either with actual containers or with things like Flatpak, and I found out that Flatpak hate is unfounded.
I'm having some problems with Wayland due to my Nvidia card, but the X11 session is rock solid. I just hope Nvidia gets their shit together before Fedora 40 (and, subsequently, Bazzite) gets rid of xorg.
I just think I wouldn't recommend it for people who want to keep fiddling with the system, installing and testing different WMs and DEs, etc, as these atomic distros aren't made for that.
bazzite.gg is a really good "justwerks" gaming distro, also they're based on Fedora Atomic Desktops which is doing some extremely cool shit around how system images/updates are released... tl;dr it's a lot more like how iOS/Chromebooks handle OS updates where you don't have to worry about stuff getting out of whack between updates
@lispi314@Suiseiseki@mona@maija my thought is that almost anyone thoughtful enough to put a jack backend in their application is also thoughtful enough to not require dbus for usage
Komplete 14 Collectors Edition is only 1.125TB, and it's one of the largest libraries out there. Tl:dr. You don't need much storage for audio production.
@Humpleupagus@phnt@Suiseiseki@skylar@nugger@EllisDee I may not do much with it at the moment but my buddy who DOES do a lot of music production, who has loaned out space on my NAS because he's run out on his might have something to say, I sent him your 0IQ takes
@Humpleupagus@phnt@Suiseiseki@skylar@nugger@EllisDee >imagine being humble and admitting you don't know something >NOOOOO YOU NEED TO USE EXACTLY SATA SSDS FOR THIS SPECIFIC THING YOU WERENT EVEN TALKING ABOUT
as the expert, I'm going to have to ask you to lead by example and suck start the shotgun for all of us so we can learn from your infinite intellect :)
Nigga he has been a Linux sysadmin for years. Didnt you recently start learning more like... Last year? NVME absolutely provided a considerable increase in speeds over SATA SSDs.
Data is data. An NVME SSD will read data faster than SATA. Sure you're reading small bits so the difference is negligible especially if you're running RAID but you could just use HDDs at that point. I just don't quite understand the discrepancy here. You may have diminishing returns but it's still technically faster to use a storage device that plugs directly into the pcie slot
@matty@Humpleupagus@phnt@Suiseiseki@skylar@nugger@EllisDee I really don't feel like dragging one of my 2TB SATA disks out of storage and comparing, I'd waste more money in the value of my time than this nigga is trying to save buying shittier SSDs anyway
That is a shit ton of data to load in a project. Granted I don't do video or audio production but your best bet would be faster storage which would be NVME. You could stick it on a NAS as well but you're limited mostly by whatever interface you're connected to whether that be a 1G ethernet port or like a SAS cable.
@Humpleupagus@phnt@Suiseiseki@matty@nugger@sapphire@EllisDee NVMe is always gonna be faster than SATA, both in latency and throughput you have 4 lanes of PCIe so 4 or 8GB/s rather than 6Gb/s over SATA there's no SATA controller, nor the necessity to limit communication with the SSD to ATA commands it's (likely) linked direct to the CPU so there's no chipset in the middle splitting the bandwidth up between multiple devices on the bus
That might be the issue. I just know that a lot of people have bench marked it and he performance just isn't there. Some people blame the software, some think it's due to the size x number of files, but the idea it's ntfs is interesting.
On a side note Matty.... I've been building and setting up rigs for 30 years, and have built several used in audio production, and I have wired studios. Dante, rednet, aes50, etc. made a lot of that easier though. No more cable snakes and traps. Just ethernet.
Lawyering just pays more, and gives me more time off. I can work three hours a day and live. 🤷♂️
So I dug into this more, and I should have known the answer already, but he problem arises because a daw is a series of single threaded applications. Each track gets a separate thread etc. Disk read / write is also single thread.
@dassauerkraut >like all of AutoCAD suites is windows based That is false.
Sure there is some proprietary malware CAD software with developers so incompetent that it only runs on windows that somewhat operates - but making your business rely on that is of extreme risk (as the proprietary master or microsoft could command the software to stop working at any time and you couldn't do shit) and also costs a fortune in the long run.
There exists a number of CAD suite's for LiGNUx that work just fine.
I've noticed that FreeCAD works perfectly fine and is quite good for most design jobs (the interface seems counter-intuitive at first, but soon becomes quite pleasing as it's easy to set exact dimensions) with the only major issue being that performance with large designs is bad - but it is also rapidly improving and I do reckon it will eventually will become functionally superior to all proprietary CADs - just like all free software that has had substantial development work put into it.
People in factory jobs and the like quite enjoy FreeCAD as there's no bullshit proprietary license or a fortune in monthly rent to pay and you can just shove in .step file and get out a drawing with labelled dimensions the other wagies can understand.
@skylar@mona@SuperSnekFriend I oughta learn how to use those. Certain software, like all of AutoCAD suites is windows based and a mainstay of engineering and design. I couldn't readily do design jobs on linux, as much as I like not being on windows at home.
@Suiseiseki In my field using something like freecad would have made 5x the work compared the the AutoCAD suite specially developed for the tasks. I've looked at freeCAD and don't like what I see. All click and select tools, no command line and shortcuts.