@pernia haiku low-key has been one of the most trustworthy operating systems regarding the devs and their technical sense/taste for a while now, but *especially* over the last 5 years or so
@loke@ezio Understandable, it seems to have been a pretty isolated project even within Sun. Solaris 2.0 Beta sounds *incredibly* cursed, really I would say all of them were up to... 2.5.1?
@loke@ezio Not entirely related to any of the above but did you ever see Spring while you were working there? I've been trying to track down a copy for the better part of a decade now and all my potential leads have come up thin.
@ezio@koakuma IIRC Daniel J. Bernstein (of cryptography and qmail fame) was using BSD/OS on Pentiums and SPARCs throughout most of the 1990s. Definitely a valid option especially if you want something close to 4.4-Lite but with quality of life fixes. I archived all the images a kind benefactor gave me here https://archive.org/details/@bsdunixfan
@lanodan@xianc78 that's what goldberg & friends are for. steamstub is basically the minimal drm that actually counts as such so they can wave it as a talisman in front of developers to placate them while not compromising the experience for the end user.
@scathach they're whatever honestly, 80s/90s were good, current business is serviceable, consumer was always hot garbage no matter what era you're looking at
@lanodan@xianc78 4/4 12:00 JST, for me it'll be late 4/3. And honestly for what is on offer here and the tortured development the game has had $35-40 is nothing. Mihara mentioned in a tweet that he would have to price it at 11900 yen to recoup the loss for development with the sales figures he's expecting. Regardless, it's a day 1 purchase for me and there's a good chance I'll end up buying several gift copies too.
@ezio The other Unix vendors got spooked by it and decided to form the OSF and make their own (Mach-based) competitor system called OSF/1. This ended up garnering fairly limited interest in practice except from Digital who was the biggest investor bankrolling it and that OS through many renames eventually became Tru64 Unix. That being said, the hackers mostly jumped ship to either Linux or Net2/4.4Lite based BSDs as soon as it was viable. Lots of interesting background info from a contemporary internal memo at Sun here https://www.landley.net/history/mirror/unix/srcos.html
@ezio There are three different Sun Unix operating systems. The first (very early on) was a straight port of V7 Unix by Unisoft (just like a lot of other vendors), then Sun hired a bunch of the early BSD developers from CSRG and made a BSD derivative called SunOS. This continued until AT&T invested in Sun buying out something like 15-20% of their common stock. A condition of the investment was that they had to kill off the BSD-based SunOS and base the next major version (SunOS 5) on SysVR4 and that operating system (SunOS 5.x) was branded Solaris in marketing copy to differentiate it from the BSD-based SunOS that came before.
@ezio Because (1) there legally couldn't be a free one before Net/2 and 4.4BSD-Lite were released and (2) BSD was/is actually good. It represented the cutting edge of Unix development for a long time so a lot of vendors got in on it early on and AT&T couldn't compete with it by merit so they had to buy 20% of Sun to kill off SunOS and replace it with the SysVR4-based Solaris.
@lanodan@ezio@tk I wouldn't consider macOS (or NeXTSTEP) one, since Mach is different enough from CSRG and post-CSRG BSD to be a thing to itself. That being said, SunOS absolutely is one, and there were others kicking around in the 80s and 90s too (AOS, Dynix, RISC iX, etc.)
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