Notices by Menno (mennowolff@ohai.social)

@sibrosan "Something like that"
So, do you believe sinners go to hell?
Do you believe that following the rules of Christianity saves you from going to hell?
I'm curious.
@BinroHeretic @lednaBM

@sibrosan @BinroHeretic @lednaBM
Okay, in general, do Christians believe that?

@GregArcus @goatsarah @MissingThePt
Diphtheria and the fourteen dwarves... Terrible movie.

@freemo
Yup. See my earlier comment, deterrents don't work when people are desperate.
And is easy to become desperate in the US.

@freemo
Yeah, understood.
I'm not trying to keep it alive. Far from it, I'm just ranting against the stupidity of it all.
Basically they are switching to another so far untested method. I get your stance of "what could go wrong?" I just see the bears on the road.
I think the real issue is that these procedures are a fixed set of steps, for obvious reasons, but changing any of those steps is apparently too complicated to do, so they go with a radically different method and hope that works.

@freemo
Still not entirely convinced that this somehow makes it too complicated.
Re 1 and 2. I get that, but people are literally covered in veins. They can find one, and test it before the go ahead.
Re 3, leaking could happen, but it would have to be a whole lot of leakage before it becomes non-lethal. Afaik, overkill is the way they go.
Re 4. See 1. They need a skilled person, that's all.
1/2

@freemo
Re 5 just use one line one needle. How hard can it be?
Re 6 yes. But they should know what an inmate is taking, right? Sure, some drugs could counteract e.g. the sedative, but seems to me that that would be deliberate sabotage by the inmate.
Re 7. They could simply do exactly the same on both arms. Also prevents users like 1,2 and 4.
2/2

@freemo
Apparently this guy will have to breathe nitrogen through a mask fitted to his face.
If he starts to breathe heavily, he might suck in extra air from outside the mask. If he contorts his face, it might make an opening.
It beats me why they don't just sedate these people and simply chop off their head or so.
@stux

@freemo
Meh. How is making a machine that administers a fluid intravenously complicated? I would not have guessed that that could go wrong. Doctors and nurses apply IVs literally millions of times each day. I had never heard of blocked veins before that, nor would I guess that such a machine stops working properly.
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@freemo @stux
Thanks for the clarification.
I'm pretty sure that at the time, whatever article I read explained it that way.
Imho, trying to off someone with N2 is just as prone to f*ckups as having a machine administer an injection, but hey.
We'll see how this pans out. Let's just hope the US will realize that harsh punishment doesn't deter people, especially if they are desperate.

@freemo
You're right. I forget which state this was, but they screwed up several times, with this SAME guy!😲
But the availability of the drugs does play a role. Some states stocked up before suppliers stopped delivering.
This is the biggest irony to me: they look to big pharma companies to supply the drugs which are made with the best quality control, because they are not allowed to ask a local redneck chemist to make some of the same drug. That would be "unsafe" 🥴😵💫
@stux

@stux @freemo
You realize that they used to perform lethal injections, but they were no longer able to get the pharmaceuticals to do that. This is because providers worldwide decided not to cooperate.
They claim this is a humane way, because people apparently simply pass out by inhaling the nitrogen gas.
It's still stupid, but it's not *entirely* their fault that they had to resort to this method.

@lednabwm @MercG @Mastopoet
Methinks Biden is walking a tight line.
Not enough criticism of Israel and he's complicit in genocide. A smidgen too much criticism and he risks losing a large part of the Jewish demographic, handing the election to the republicans, which worst case could be TFG.
He might be doing you guys and the world a favor by supporting Israel (for now).

I'm with @johnshirley2024
Here.
Believing in other supernatural things, but not a specific imaginary friend is still a kind of theism in my opinion.
I know people who say that God is not the dude with a beard in the he sky. But they somehow believe that God exists and influences things here on earth. They say God is energy of some kind and that the bible can't be taken literally. Are they atheists? I don't think so.
@Jeramee @lednabwm

@lednabwm
Well, that's not entirely wrong. It is a belief system.
We believe that resorting to magic as an explanation for almost everything is silly.
We believe that there is a rational explanation for everything and that simple reasoning will get you there. And so far, it's been pretty darn successful.