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   🍸Pooka🥕Boo🍸 (lednabwm@mstdn.party)'s status on Monday, 13-Nov-2023 03:24:58 JST 🍸Pooka🥕Boo🍸

   Yes, dear....

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     FediTips has moved! (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 13-Nov-2023 03:24:49 JST FediTips has moved!

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     Here you go:

     https://fedi.tips/muting-conversation-threads-in-mastodon/

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     morecowbell (morecowbell@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 13-Nov-2023 03:24:51 JST morecowbell

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     • Menno

     @TacticalGrace_ @TimWardCam @lednabwm @MennoWolff The big question is whether suffering (s) is a constant across all possible multiverses.

     Is the Theist belief in an indifferent first cause atheist or theist?

     Is the Platonic belief in The One atheist or theist?

     Wasn’t the belief in a bearded man in the clouds always for the lower classes?

     Mystics and philosophers and artists create their own relationships to the numinous.

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     bytebro@mastodonapp.uk's status on Monday, 13-Nov-2023 03:24:51 JST bytebro

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     @morecowbell @TacticalGrace_ @lednabwm @MennoWolff

     Dear @feditips, how do I mute a thread please?!

     I'm tired of this one which has widdled on all afternoon!

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     Michael (tacticalgrace_@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 13-Nov-2023 03:24:52 JST Michael

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     • Menno

     @TimWardCam @lednabwm @MennoWolff Atheism is the lack of belief in "God" as an idea of any kind, regardless of which "Religion/s" or "Belief" structure/s it comes from.

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     Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE (timwardcam@c.im)'s status on Monday, 13-Nov-2023 03:24:53 JST Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE

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     • Menno

     @TacticalGrace_ @lednabwm @MennoWolff I don't know whether I am an "atheist" or not. It maybe depends a bit on whether an "atheist" is

     * someone who doesn't believe in a god

     or

     * someone who believes there are no gods.

     But I'm not sure I can answer either of those unless I hear a definition of "believe" and a definition of "god" that I can make sense of. This hasn't yet happened.

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     Michael (tacticalgrace_@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 13-Nov-2023 03:24:54 JST Michael

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     @lednabwm @MennoWolff No. A lack of belief is not, cannot, and could never be, considered a form of belief. That's like saying you're a vegan who eats steak.

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     🍸Pooka🥕Boo🍸 (lednabwm@mstdn.party)'s status on Monday, 13-Nov-2023 03:24:55 JST 🍸Pooka🥕Boo🍸

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     @TacticalGrace_ @MennoWolff

     It's an absence of or zero belief as one could argue that "not belief" is a belief as in the meme. Though colloquially, you are correct.

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     Michael (tacticalgrace_@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 13-Nov-2023 03:24:56 JST Michael

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     @MennoWolff @lednabwm Atheism is literally a lack of belief, and thus cannot be, by definition, a belief system.

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     Menno (mennowolff@ohai.social)'s status on Monday, 13-Nov-2023 03:24:58 JST Menno

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     Well, that's not entirely wrong. It is a belief system.
     We believe that resorting to magic as an explanation for almost everything is silly.
     We believe that there is a rational explanation for everything and that simple reasoning will get you there. And so far, it's been pretty darn successful.

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     GreenSkyOverMe (Monika) (greenskyoverme@ohai.social)'s status on Monday, 13-Nov-2023 22:38:25 JST GreenSkyOverMe (Monika)

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     @MugsysRapSheet @avi917 @lednabwm Just based on my circle of friends agnostics are the worst proselytizers of all 😂

     (But then I‘m not friends with any Jehova‘s witnesses and LDS does not exist much in Europe.)

     There is positive and negative atheism. Positive atheism says we know there are no gods, negative atheism says we can’t prove it. So negative atheism overlaps with agnosticism. Positive atheism is also sometimes called antitheism.

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     MugsysRapSheet 🔩🐑🐘 (mugsysrapsheet@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 13-Nov-2023 22:38:27 JST MugsysRapSheet 🔩🐑🐘

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     @avi917 @lednabwm
     Absolutely agree. "Atheists get SO upset when I tell them "Atheism is a religion." They are absolutely positive their belief is true with no evidence to support it. They take it *on faith* that what they believe is true, and *they prosthetize* trying to convince others their belief is true. That's the very definition of a religion.

     "Agnostics" don't proselytize. They admit they don't know whether there's a God or not.

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     Avi Volah (avi917@venera.social)'s status on Monday, 13-Nov-2023 22:38:35 JST Avi Volah

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     @lednabwm The way you describe Atheism is the way i know Agnosticism to be.
     As far as i know, Atheism means to be sure there is no god, and Agnosticism means we have no evidence there is or isnt a god.

     And btw its not a fact that humans invented gods, we cant prove it, and nonetheless the definitions of the terms Atheism and Agnosticism should be objective and not skewed by opinions of the people that are holding those notions.

     i remind you that scientific thinking works by eliminating possibilities by disproving them scientifically, and so far we cant disprove (nor prove) the existence of what we call a god (or aliens for example) does it mean that (based on scientific approach) we should believe in god (or aliens) ? no, but it is still different to saying that there is for sure no god.
     And Agnosticism is exactly the approach that describes that, and btw used not only in religion related topics. Agnosticism is basically scientific.

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     🍸Pooka🥕Boo🍸 (lednabwm@mstdn.party)'s status on Monday, 13-Nov-2023 22:38:36 JST 🍸Pooka🥕Boo🍸

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     I've already explained all this, albeit probably along one of the threads. Because atheism is as old as theism, it's called a belief. This is because, back then, everything misunderstood called upon others to believe. Atheism now simply implies a lack of evidence. Agnosticism, on the other hand, is a refuge for intellectual cowards. The analysis does not account for the lack of evidence correctly or weight it properly against the notion of the obvious fact that humans invented god(s).

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     Avi Volah (avi917@venera.social)'s status on Monday, 13-Nov-2023 22:38:37 JST Avi Volah

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     @lednabwm Well by definition, Atheism is a belief.. Agnostism (not sure spelled correctly) on the other hand is the lack of a belief and that is the most scientific and rational.
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     Lydia T. Pott (surrealseal@cupoftea.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 23:18:35 JST Lydia T. Pott

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     @johnshirley2024 @MennoWolff @Jeramee @lednabwm

     Perhaps the term 'supernormal' would be preferable to 'supernatural'?

     I suspect that 'higher beings' (to use your blurry term) are smarter than us & more advanced than us.
     It seems to me that any being that was sufficiently far advanced to boggle the minds of our distant ancestors would be seen as a 'god'.

     We think we know a lot, but there is so much more for us to discover & understand. We occupy just a small corner of our universe, & of Reality.

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     John Shirley (johnshirley2024@wandering.shop)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 23:18:37 JST John Shirley

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     @MennoWolff @Jeramee @lednabwm I don't believe in anything supernatural at all. If there are higher beings, to use an unsatisfying blurry term, they are a part of the natural cosmos. And there is no unnatural or supernatural or magical cosmos. (Except in the poetic sense.)

     GreenSkyOverMe (Monika) repeated this.
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     John Shirley (johnshirley2024@wandering.shop)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 23:18:39 JST John Shirley

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     @Jeramee @MennoWolff @lednabwm

     Atheists are not agnostics. They are not merely unconvinced. They're sure there's no deity. Atheists -- every one I've met--have a scientific way of thinking, which would leave out the belief in chi energy, spirits, crystals etc. Unless chi energy etc are shown to have a scientific basis. They haven't been shown to have, and it's improbable they would have. If they say they're atheists but they believe in that sort of thing, they're unclear on atheism.

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     Menno (mennowolff@ohai.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 23:18:39 JST Menno

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     I'm with @johnshirley2024
     Here.
     Believing in other supernatural things, but not a specific imaginary friend is still a kind of theism in my opinion.
     I know people who say that God is not the dude with a beard in the he sky. But they somehow believe that God exists and influences things here on earth. They say God is energy of some kind and that the bible can't be taken literally. Are they atheists? I don't think so.
     @Jeramee @lednabwm

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     Jeramee (jeramee@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 23:18:40 JST Jeramee

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     @MennoWolff @lednabwm

     Atheism is only a response to the proposition of a deity's existence.

     Being unconvinced of a deity doesn't require other beliefs. I know atheists who believe in crystals, chi energy, spirits, etc.

     In our culture, the answers for questions like why are there so many animals, or how did the universe begin are often answered by scientific fields w\o religious explanations, but that doesn't mean an atheist must accept those explanations, as my crystal friends show.