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@vaurora @leigh So does this argument mean that we should oppose all new tech investment?

@selzero @partnumber2 @freekbomhof Why do so many people think democracy is like some sort of fancy buffet, where you sit like little lords and ladies while waiters bring you choices?

Democracy is participatory- if you don’t like the choices, it’s *your* job to change them. There literally isn’t anyone else who will. You have bad choices because you or your parents were too lazy to get involved - don’t make the same mistake.

@kaia @melissabeartrix Isn’t that basically what plastic furniture is?

@raymondpert Repeating this is getting increasingly boring.

It’s not censorship because it’s a privately-owned platform which everyone *chose* to be on. Free speech means you can say whatever you want, not that you have the right to an audience.

Join the fediverse - set up your own server and no one can take your page down.

@freemo Interesting. I think an approach that might simplify this question is to first clearly define “consciousness”.

However, I admit that’s an incredibly tall order (cf: Descartes)

@freemo Sounds reasonable, but by “clear definition” I mean non-subjective, repeatable and useable for objective measurements.

As an aside, we also desperately need this for creating frameworks to properly manage the rapidly-evolving AI landscape.

@freemo I’m not sure I understand. If the difference between humans and animals is a separation between the conscious and the unconscious, how can a definition of those terms not be central?

@freemo Ah, I see what you’re saying, but I’m not sure that sidesteps the need for a definition of consciousness. How do you determine the separation of conscious and subconscious mind without it?

@freemo Apologies, but I can’t contribute to this discussion while lacking a hard definition. IMHO, that moves the discussion from science to philosophy, which I’m not well-versed in enough to offer anything more than wild-assed guesses.

@freemo Maybe I missed something - what exactly are you proposing as “these two independent minds”? Why do you propose there are two entities in animal minds instead of one? Why not 0 entities or 20 entities?

@CosmicTrigger The least hilarious thing about “anarchists” is they just talk and talk without ever accomplishing anything while bitching about people doing actual work to make actual change happen.

@thanius You’re rarely excited by the outcome of an Apple event, yet you still follow the livestream? Is this something you’re need to do for work?

@goatsarah @cstross I have no idea what TERFing is, nor frankly do I care.

What I *do* know from managing user populations is that for every strongly-held belief, there is an opposite and (usually) equally valid one. There’s some content where I think it’s fair to draw a universal line, but beyond that it’s all just individual opinion. Which you can express by blocking at the individual or server level.

@goatsarah @cstross I don’t understand - this is literally *why* the fediverse was created. How is that controversial? You can literally read the founding documents.

Also - you can block at the user and server level, but you can’t unilaterally appoint yourself the decider of what’s acceptable.

@cstross I’d like to moderate this welcome somewhat. While it’s true that you should respect the local culture anytime you arrive somewhere new - something you British have historically not excelled at - the Fediverse has room for everyone, and everyone has the right to be here regardless of opinions or speech. The whole idea of the Fediverse is to destroy gatekeeping.

@hosford42 @weaselx86 @vikxin @Radical_EgoCom @Benfell @duckwhistle While I’m not ready to buy that corporations have no inherent value, I agree that corporate personhood started us down a path that almost inevitably led us to where we are today. And I agree that it’s ludicrous to think that there’s any parity between a corporate person and a human person. We gotta find a better way.

@hosford42 @weaselx86 @vikxin @Radical_EgoCom @Benfell @duckwhistle What’s the difference between a cooperative and a corporation? For example, if a cooperative spills oil all over the gulf, who/what gets sued? Every employee equally is responsible for damages or is it a separate entity?

@Benfell @hosford42 @weaselx86 @vikxin @Radical_EgoCom @duckwhistle I’d not heard of them as viable alternatives, but gonna dig into it, sounds interesting. Good day is learning something new.

@hosford42 @Benfell @weaselx86 @vikxin @Radical_EgoCom @duckwhistle I’m wondering if there’s any inherent and/or practical reason why a co-op could not produce something like, say, Apple Computer or a SpaceX. When I say we need to find a better way, I mean I want to replace corporations completely with something less rape-and-pillagey. Need to think on it a bit

@Benfell @hosford42 @weaselx86 @vikxin @Radical_EgoCom @duckwhistle So is there a way to reduce the capital investment required for starting up ventures? Or a way to use public funds to incubate startups we want? This raises the problem of how to decide who gets funded.

I’m losing hope that there are viable real-world alternatives to corporatism