@CurtAdams@Danetteb As a teenager, I never missed an issue of Omni magazine. Kids are naive; precocious ones are naive and think big. It's okay to be into some weird shit as a kid; you just hopefully grow out of it.
@Danetteb Just to be clear, I was definitely not talking about religion. I was talking about the various "experts" who peddle conspiracy theories and bizarre pseudoscience and the like. They still all have the same story-- "You can't trust deliberative institutions. Only I, the renegade, know what's going on. Trust me and my friends."
Like, that's also the Alex Jones move in a nutshell. And the drip drip drip of "don't trust consensus reality/institutions" has been corrosive.
@Danetteb When I was younger, I used to love listening to Coast To Coast AM, a late night talk show about fringe and paranormal subjects. I have basically always been a skeptic and very scientifically minded, but I enjoyed hearing people talk about fringe ideas from a folkloric perspective. And because of that detachment, I didn't see the danger.
Fringe media sells the "You can't trust institutions; trust me." angle. And it leads to people accepting that parasocial relationship everywhere.
@gavi I said "other" because I don't think I can define "readiness" here. I don't know how you assess readiness for an event that would change so many things. I'm not sure anyone's ever really to be part of history, but it sure as hell keeps happening to all of us anyway.
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@susankayequinn at least in the stone soup story I was told, they *didn't* have a community. It took a con man with only a rock and a pot to trigger community building.
But yes, it takes effort, but I'd argue it's a lower effort with higher returns than a lot of other things one could do.
@Tattie@Impossible_PhD I regularly re-read The Art Of War, and it's if note that Sun Tzu describes many kinds of ground your army will find itself on. The only one where all-out attack is advisor without question is called "fatal ground" or "lethal ground"; all other circumstances suggest a strategy of struggle without engagement. Clearly "only fight when you absolutely must" was understood for centuries.
@susankayequinn Yes. I agree with that, too. It doesn't take a ton of up-front effort to have some connections in mutual support up front. I look at the story of stone soup, where people just something to bring them together to share, and then everyone can eat.
@susankayequinn Now, I hasten to add that preparing for eventualities is different from swatting at ghosts, and the true challenge is in knowing where that line is. My guidelines typically are: do things that needed doing anyway, do things that are useful under a variety of circumstances, do things that don't also cause fatigue, do things that increase your energy for when it is needed, and respond to the least complicated potentialities first.
@susankayequinn I love it and use it all the time in so many contexts. It's important to remember that, if you're clever and imaginative, that your adversary...even if they're better than you...will never live up to the one in your imagination. The imagined adversary never pays a cost for making a move; the real one does.
To hear it from a master engineer:
"Let's work the problem, people. Let's not make things worse by guessing." --Gene Kranz
@susankayequinn I long ago read a book by chess International Master Jeremy Silman where he talked about his students at a certain level having a habit of "swatting at ghosts". That is, their ability to imagine possible attacks from him led them to make all sorts of moves to defend against these potential attacks regardless of how real the threat was. After a few of these moves, they'd have lost time and organization and be vulnerable. Compliance in advance is a form of this.
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