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@feld @anemone @SlicerDicer @barrett @sun I read the short story Pig (not the poem of the same name) by Roald Dahl the other day its now my favourite piece of writing by him if you can get by its casual antifat and antisemitic caricature of the greedy lawyer

@feld @anemone @SlicerDicer @barrett @sun No I'm not employing sarcsam, eugenics is bad. Its bad when you do it to humans and its bad when you do it to fish or kangaroos

@sun @anemone @feld @SlicerDicer @barrett Interesting how everyone who says this says nothing about managing the human population the most destructive one. Because that would be eugenics and thats bad, but fish? Their lives are expendable for "the good of the environment"

@feld @anemone @SlicerDicer @barrett @sun overfishing is a gross concept, imagine if there was a term "over cannibalising" as if there were an acceptable rate of slaughtering humans

@SlicerDicer @anemone @feld @barrett @sun It is something that the individual has direct control over though, people see fish as expendable because they see them as resources, veganism aims to change this speciesist perception

@SlicerDicer @anemone @feld @barrett @sun It sounds like you're just hear to spread nihilism and to tell me to stop my advocacy, which is not helpful, if you want to save fish stop eating them.

@sun @anemone @feld @SlicerDicer @barrett Would you accept that excuse if it were your head on the chopping block

@SlicerDicer @anemone @feld @barrett @sun about 10 people have gone vegan just from talking to me, 1 even messaged me years later thanking them for pushing them to do the right thing

@SlicerDicer @anemone @feld @barrett @sun Idk about that some of the people ive turned vegan sounded exactly like these people at first giving all the same excuses

@feld @anemone @SlicerDicer @barrett @sun Bacteria don't have emotions memory thoughts or any kind of internal model of the world they are more like robots

@SlicerDicer @anemone @feld @barrett @sun This is whataboutism, this will continue to happen whether or not you fish. A vegan world would therefore have less suffering, we can research into reducing wild harm like this too if we had the collective will

@SlicerDicer @anemone @feld @barrett @sun Sorry here you made it seem like you were defending fishing https://friedcheese.us/objects/547e89a6-26f7-40c4-8fb4-fdab8ebda18d the OP is about fishing thats what I mean by impaling fish's mouths

@sun @anemone @feld @SlicerDicer @barrett Based. First cause no harm.

@sun @anemone @feld @SlicerDicer @barrett What does that even mean, this is the ultimate goalpost shifting, a vegan can not hurt a fly and youll be like "youre metaphysically hurting them though"

@maija @feld @barrett This is just victim blaming. Humans have nearly all the power in these relationships only we have the power to put down the guns and knives and let them live

@sun @anemone @feld @SlicerDicer @barrett This is a naturalisation of capitalism and colonial conceptions of nature, lookup degrowth and deep green veganarchist ideas. A better world is possible, and it doesnt require you to eat the flesh of other thinking feeling beings

@feld @anemone @SlicerDicer @barrett @sun b12 used to be in all the soil before monocropping, it is produced by simple bacteria and it is easy to produce in mass quantity cheaply, b12 is b12 it doesnt matter if its on your food or in a pill vegans in general have higher blood content of b12 https://doi.org/10.1080/07853890.2023.2269969

@feld @anemone @SlicerDicer @barrett @sun "I only eat a little bit of meat" "thank you" they said "I am now only a little bit dead"

@feld @anemone @SlicerDicer @barrett @sun This is a whataboutism argument. the situation with kangaroo or deer is ethically interesting but has nothing to do with you impaling fish's mouths for fun cant you just eat plants

@SlicerDicer @anemone @feld @barrett @sun The actions of non-human animals in a survival situation have no bearing on human decision making when it comes to whether we should kill cows pigs chickens fish turkeys sheep ducks geese etc