Notices by In #Flancia we'll meet (flancian@social.coop)

Remember the old internet?

What you see in the screenshots and in the archives :)

I'm back in Zürich!

The US was fine, in the sense that I was able to ignore all the weirdness that is going on over there and just focus on work (my privilege of course).

@dalias @lritter @michiel @eARCwelder I know the work of Peter Singer, William MacAskill and Toby Ord reasonably well and I can vouch for at least the first two, in particular Peter Singer. I consider them all founders (Peter Singer's thought of course predates EA by long) and there's essentially zero chance they are fascists.

So I understand you seem frustrated with EA but these are strong claims with no backing I'm aware of. If not Wikipedia, what sources should I search/read?

@icedquinn I think in the long term AI will be aligned with humanity, because it is a mirror/lens of humanity (or will have started as one). This was me being optimistic and assuming that humanity also has an overall positive impact on the universe, despite our many shortcomings and looming risks

@lritter @dalias @michiel @eARCwelder I've read the wikipedia article on EA, I don't think it discredits the movement at all despite what fringe people within the movement might have believed, or believe. It needs to be OK not to cancel a huge human group because of beliefs of say a 5% (to make up a number, choose one?) subset.

Also I hope you're not proposing reporting this conversation as I think it's been very respectful? But happy to discuss if you think any part was out of line!

@band yes, I agree! this was a statement of hope. over at work we have this slogan of sorts, "hope is not a strategy" -- but I would posit in some ways, sometimes, it is :)

AI is overall good in the long term, like humans -- just sayin'

@dalias @lritter @eARCwelder this is totally me, and I think it's a reasonable position :) although I understand that people have had negative experiences with some people in the movement or adjacent, effective altruism is very diverse like any large human group and IMHO is disproportionately made up of overall good people. I think it needs to be OK to say that, happy to discuss further!

@lritter @eARCwelder I agree with your question and assessment; EA has/had some subfactions that are weird but overall remains a sensible and good movement IMHO

@icedquinn who do you hate?

@hellomiakoda is best time!

Trying out [[disroot]] this weekend, liking it a lot so far!

This is what you get with a membership, all with one password :)

https://disroot.org

Things I care about less than average maybe:

- Security, meaning the cyber type. I think some care too much about baroque attack vectors and concerns are used too often to justify policies that smuggle control mechanisms, facilitate enclosure of the commons, etc.
- Also its cousin Safety, as in 'but what if somebody uses this to build a bomb' or 'what if somebody uses this to share CSAM'. I won't do either so I think your policies should not interfere with well-meaning uses of technology.

@dansup hi! I've received reports you are, or used to be, transphobic. Could you clarify your position w.r.t. these reports and the LGBTQ+ community in general when you can? Thank you!

@ntnsndr @edumerco @sam @dazinism @mako @edsu @dphiffer @3wordchant above the best client for xmpp: what's the best web interface? web first is a must for accessibility IMHO

@ntnsndr @edumerco @sam @dazinism @mako @edsu @dphiffer @3wordchant this is a bad move honestly. Reliability and scalability should not be locked behind a paywall. It seems unethical to leave the community with a substandard implementation, systems that don't scale well tend to be inefficient in many ways.

@dynamic @sam @dazinism @ntnsndr @mako thanks for the feedback both of you!

- I think it's totally workable if it can run comfortably within the VPS that currently only hosts our wiki and our (under-utilized) single-sign-on service, called Hypha. A test should sort that out.
- I don't think the requirements are going to be too different in the end (continued...)

@dynamic @sam @dazinism @ntnsndr @mako we should set up the services in question using [[coop cloud]], which makes it cheap/quick if the recipes for the services exist. I will check which ones exist and report back.

In any case we would want to set up SSO so people can use the password they use e.g. with the wiki to test.

Which service(s) we try first and which ones we support depends on difficulty and time/interest available within the TWG, assuming no other additional costs for the coop.

@dynamic @sam @dazinism @ntnsndr @mako

@edsu @dphiffer @3wordchant FYI about possible messaging services experiments ^ :)

@dynamic @sam @dazinism @ntnsndr @mako @edsu @dphiffer @3wordchant

I checked https://git.coopcloud.tech/coop-cloud for recipes for: zulip, an xmpp server and a matrix server. I found so far:

- the mainline main matrix implementation, presumably slow but well maintained
- snikket (xmpp)

Calix, would recipes for conduit and zulip make sense as contributions?