@BowsacNoodle@Jonaschuzzlewit@blankdeblank@Wormwood@charliebrownau@milk No they did breathe fire. It's also how they managed to fly. See they eat limestone and use the gems they stole from the dwarves to grind it up and mix it with stomach acid to make hydrogen gas. To get rid of the excess they have an electric organ in the roof of their mouths that ignites the hydrogen.
@WoodshopHandman@boeswilligkeit Limited resources, limited heat dissipation capacity, constant threat of rocks falling and everyone dying. Do we want to destroy the world God gave us? Do we want to let all of God's creation be destroyed? What level of quality of life is acceptable on Earth? Should we prevent all humans from breeding or cull people by some arbitrary means to keep numbers at some very low level?
If we want to survive and thrive, we need space colonies. Space, mind you, not planets.
@WoodshopHandman@boeswilligkeit >Non-issues The limited heat dissipation dictates how much energy the world can use per year before it overruns the heat sink capacity of the earth. This isn't global warming i'm talking about. The only means of staying under it perpetually are a steady state model where the standard of living drops significantly. Rocks have fallen before and destroyed the planet. also super volcanoes like the one in India or Siberia. >No, obviously Alright then, if you don't want humanity/animals/plants to die from cataclysm, it's surely not a good idea to keep all our eggs in one basket. >How do you define "quality of life"? The foods people are able to/allowed to eat. They take tremendous resources that we agree are limited. Also, the amount of electricity each person has access to. In a steady-state system, it's about the level of your average african. Space can do far better. Air is abundant in space via separation of water, which is extremely abundant. Food can easily be grown in space en masse. Space Colonies also offer new chances for independent governments to form. Space Germany, anyone? >I don't think we'll have to. I've considered all sorts of scenarios where we just let people die off, and like people drowning, they tend to take anyone nearby with them. It will snowball something fierce and we should avoid it at all costs. >Even more delusional than suggesting colonies on other planets Not at all, we've had the technology since the 1960's. Orbital Colonies have the tremendous benefit of very low energy costs for transportation of resources from asteroids. Radiation can be managed via ice or magnetic shields. Planetary Colonies all have deep gravity wells that increase costs exponentially, or horrific natural features like the Moon being covered in microscopic glass.
@WoodshopHandman@boeswilligkeit >I don't think people supporting themselves with crafts and other physical labor, living in cozy cottages cooking real food with woodfire is a drop in standard of living. I'd consider it an improvement, actually. So no hospitals, then. >And the odds of that happening again are miniscule. You are worried about things that, statistically, aren't a threat and won't be for thousands upon thousands of years, if humanity even lives that long. I see it as an inevitability regardless of how long. You said we should avoid the destruction of the earth and its life. >I don't like electricity. I'm forced to use it because I live in modern society. I don't actually see the problem with living in a close-knit tribe of people like you where homes are made from natural renewable resources as opposed to the atomized community-less world we live in today. Again, the lack of hospitals will greatly impact the quality of life of people. Also, the severe costs of failure that you have mentioned and the smaller size of each colony will make them very tight-knit and competent communities. >Shitting in tubes is enough to argue otherwise Space colonies generate "gravity" by rotating. Living on them will be nearly identical to living on Earth. >Both of these require complex systems with many fail-states that appear very easily. Yes and in your proposed system crop failure will be an ever-present issue without modern tools. Replacement parts or supplies can be acquired from the earth or other colonies in mine, the odds of one tribal village giving another its food are far lower, especially without proper methods of refrigeration to allow greater surplus. Not to mention how plague and disease will effect the population without proper medicine. >Okay so you watched gundam or star trek or something and actually believed it UC Gundam's orbital space colonies were derived largely from Gerard K. O'Neill's book, The High Frontier. They are entirely practical in engineering. Star Trek's setting is silly. >Why? Because such an event would push us to a level far below what you imagine in your cottagecore concept. >I'm gonna ignore your redditor science nerd wank after this sentence because the simple response is why don't we just do it if we have the technology? The Economic model of jewish capitalism only places value on immediate economic returns for a handful of people on Earth. Space Colonies only provide benefits to humanity itself, and do so over a long period of time. If we'd had a system more like the National Socialists, a good chunk of humanity would be living in them by now.
@WoodshopHandman@boeswilligkeit >Do you think hospitals only started existing after the industrial revolution? No, but mixtures of tinctures and herbs have limited efficacy. >I think you're just giving into despair at that point and don't know how to trust that God wouldn't let that happen. I do believe that God is fond of tests. Is it truly safe to assume this isn't one? >The biggest advancements in medicine were the concepts of basic sanitation/sanitization and the creation of antibiotics. The mass development and supply of antibiotics takes quite the industrial base. >Do you have a proof of concept? A merry-go-round, spinning a ball on a string. or the force you feel when you turn sharply in your buggy. >Okay so yeah it's all just science fiction. Great. Not at all. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Neill_cylinder >And? Humanity's been there before. Not a big deal. We had abundant resources to pull ourselves back up with. We will not this time. Also the issues with the plastic pollution won't go away for some time. You know what water doesn't have plastic pollution? Asteroid Ice. >Yeah okay bud lol I think you're just giving into despair.
@LouisConde@dictatordave@DW2@sickburnbro Depends on what they actually want though. Good soldiers? lol no. A bunch of dissidents in prison or shot for disobeying conscription? Could be.
@sickburnbro >you end up with a extremely volatile mixture leading into the most contentious presidential election in 150 years.
A real shame then that all the candidates are hand-picked and that they'll always do what they're told. Yes, even trump, who did nothing positive with his four years.
Whoever wins, we lose. Stop relying on a system that's rigged to only allow their puppets to be voted for.