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   Ares :sonnenrad: (boeswilligkeit@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 24-Apr-2024 03:12:27 JST Ares :sonnenrad:

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   this image is much more depressing once you understand this
   
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     Woodshop ? (woodshophandman@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 24-Apr-2024 03:12:24 JST Woodshop ?

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     @boeswilligkeit Why? Is this beautiful world that God lovingly hand-crafted for us not good enough for you and your descendants?
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     Ares :sonnenrad: (boeswilligkeit@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 24-Apr-2024 03:12:25 JST Ares :sonnenrad:

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     gonna stop vagueposting for a second:
     this picture is the best that we can ask for in a future, because our alternative is total state control, possibly forever.
     for a brief moment, we left the confines of our world and our dreams of inhabiting far-off world were plans. we created machines that harnessed a history's worth of knowledge to break the walls that keep us on this rock. but alas, it will be our grandchildren's grandchildren that have the privilege of stepping foot on another world. our sole obligation to our descendants for this trip around is to ensure that they can exist to be able to do so.
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     Forgetful Gynn (forgetful_gynn@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 24-Apr-2024 05:38:37 JST Forgetful Gynn

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     @WoodshopHandman @boeswilligkeit >Do you think hospitals only started existing after the industrial revolution?
     No, but mixtures of tinctures and herbs have limited efficacy.
     >I think you're just giving into despair at that point and don't know how to trust that God wouldn't let that happen.
     I do believe that God is fond of tests. Is it truly safe to assume this isn't one?
     >The biggest advancements in medicine were the concepts of basic sanitation/sanitization and the creation of antibiotics.
     The mass development and supply of antibiotics takes quite the industrial base.
     >Do you have a proof of concept?
     A merry-go-round, spinning a ball on a string. or the force you feel when you turn sharply in your buggy.
     >Okay so yeah it's all just science fiction. Great.
     Not at all. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Neill_cylinder
     >And? Humanity's been there before. Not a big deal.
     We had abundant resources to pull ourselves back up with. We will not this time. Also the issues with the plastic pollution won't go away for some time. You know what water doesn't have plastic pollution? Asteroid Ice.
     >Yeah okay bud lol
     I think you're just giving into despair.
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     Woodshop ? (woodshophandman@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 24-Apr-2024 05:38:37 JST Woodshop ?

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     @Forgetful_Gynn @boeswilligkeit >No, but mixtures of tinctures and herbs have limited efficacy.
     That's what all pharmaceuticals are at their core. Just because they process them into pills and syrups doesn't make them not that.
     >I do believe that God is fond of tests. Is it truly safe to assume this isn't one?
     "Is it safe to assume that God isn't testing us by threatening us with planet-shattering meteors or supervolcanoes with negligible odds to be a threat to us?" Yeah I think so
     >The mass development and supply of antibiotics takes quite the industrial base.
     True, but it's also not entirely necessary to have so many if better health in general is encouraged and promoted through better material environments, regular exercise, and a healthier diet. Anti-biotics are greatly over-prescribed at present.
     >A merry-go-round, spinning a ball on a string. or the force you feel when you turn sharply in your buggy.
     Do you have a proof of concept of artificial gravity on a space station large enough to be inhabitable?
     >We had abundant resources to pull ourselves back up with. We will not this time. Also the issues with the plastic pollution won't go away for some time. You know what water doesn't have plastic pollution? Asteroid Ice.
     They started with ROCKS and STICKS, nigga. And do you really think plastic wouldn't be used in the systems to harvest ice from asteroids? Get real.
     >I think you're just giving into despair.
     I'm giving into real life
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     Forgetful Gynn (forgetful_gynn@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 24-Apr-2024 05:38:38 JST Forgetful Gynn

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     @WoodshopHandman @boeswilligkeit >I don't think people supporting themselves with crafts and other physical labor, living in cozy cottages cooking real food with woodfire is a drop in standard of living. I'd consider it an improvement, actually.
     So no hospitals, then.
     >And the odds of that happening again are miniscule. You are worried about things that, statistically, aren't a threat and won't be for thousands upon thousands of years, if humanity even lives that long.
     I see it as an inevitability regardless of how long. You said we should avoid the destruction of the earth and its life.
     >I don't like electricity. I'm forced to use it because I live in modern society. I don't actually see the problem with living in a close-knit tribe of people like you where homes are made from natural renewable resources as opposed to the atomized community-less world we live in today.
     Again, the lack of hospitals will greatly impact the quality of life of people. Also, the severe costs of failure that you have mentioned and the smaller size of each colony will make them very tight-knit and competent communities.
     >Shitting in tubes is enough to argue otherwise
     Space colonies generate "gravity" by rotating. Living on them will be nearly identical to living on Earth.
     >Both of these require complex systems with many fail-states that appear very easily.
     Yes and in your proposed system crop failure will be an ever-present issue without modern tools. Replacement parts or supplies can be acquired from the earth or other colonies in mine, the odds of one tribal village giving another its food are far lower, especially without proper methods of refrigeration to allow greater surplus. Not to mention how plague and disease will effect the population without proper medicine.
     >Okay so you watched gundam or star trek or something and actually believed it
     UC Gundam's orbital space colonies were derived largely from Gerard K. O'Neill's book, The High Frontier. They are entirely practical in engineering. Star Trek's setting is silly.
     >Why?
     Because such an event would push us to a level far below what you imagine in your cottagecore concept.
     >I'm gonna ignore your redditor science nerd wank after this sentence because the simple response is why don't we just do it if we have the technology?
     The Economic model of jewish capitalism only places value on immediate economic returns for a handful of people on Earth. Space Colonies only provide benefits to humanity itself, and do so over a long period of time. If we'd had a system more like the National Socialists, a good chunk of humanity would be living in them by now.
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     Woodshop ? (woodshophandman@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 24-Apr-2024 05:38:38 JST Woodshop ?

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     @Forgetful_Gynn @boeswilligkeit >So no hospitals, then.
     Do you think hospitals only started existing after the industrial revolution? Because they were often attached to churches and monasteries for centuries prior, built from naturally anti-viral materials like raw wood.
     >I see it as an inevitability regardless of how long. You said we should avoid the destruction of the earth and its life.
     I think you're just giving into despair at that point and don't know how to trust that God wouldn't let that happen.
     >Again, the lack of hospitals will greatly impact the quality of life of people.
     See above. The biggest advancements in medicine were the concepts of basic sanitation/sanitization and the creation of antibiotics. All the plastic and fluorescent lighting in modern hospitals actually makes them WORSE in terms of a designated medical structure than what we used to have.
     >Space colonies generate gravity by rotating. Living on them will be nearly identical to living on Earth.
     Do you have a proof of concept?
     >UC Gundam's orbital space colonies were derived largely from Gerard K. O'Neill's book, The High Frontier. They are entirely practical in engineering. Star Trek's setting is silly.
     Okay so yeah it's all just science fiction. Great.
     >Because such an event would push us to a level far below what you imagine in your cottagecore concept.
     And? Humanity's been there before. Not a big deal.
     >The Economic model of jewish capitalism only places value on immediate economic returns for a handful of people on Earth. Space Colonies only provide benefits to humanity itself, and do so over a long period of time. If we'd had a system more like the National Socialists, a good chunk of humanity would be living in them by now.
     "My heckin epic space colonies could NEVER be commodified! Frickin' capitalism would have no impact and we'd definitely for real keep the jews out instead of openly inviting them like every government agency and corporation (the ones with the power and capital to even begin to approach the concept of a "space colony") does currently as part of diversity initiatives and in-group preference!" Yeah okay bud lol
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     Woodshop ? (woodshophandman@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 24-Apr-2024 05:38:39 JST Woodshop ?

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     @Forgetful_Gynn @boeswilligkeit >Limited resources
     A real genuine concern
     >limited heat dissipation capacity, constant threat of rocks falling and everyone dying
     Non-issues
     >Do we want to destroy the world God gave us? Do we want to let all of God's creation be destroyed?
     No, obviously
     >What level of quality of life is acceptable on Earth?
     How do you define "quality of life"? Do you define it by how many screens and toys you get to consoom? Or do you define it by rich culture, bonds with others, clean air and good food? Can space ever offer this?
     >Should we prevent all humans from breeding or cull people by some arbitrary means to keep numbers at some very low level?
     I don't think we'll have to. Billions will die out once we reach a point of inflection. Suggesting that we cull people is the kinder option that induces less suffering but nobody's going to do that for obvious reasons.
     >If we want to survive and thrive, we need space colonies. Space, mind you, not planets.
     Even more delusional than suggesting colonies on other planets
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     Forgetful Gynn (forgetful_gynn@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 24-Apr-2024 05:38:39 JST Forgetful Gynn

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     @WoodshopHandman @boeswilligkeit >Non-issues
     The limited heat dissipation dictates how much energy the world can use per year before it overruns the heat sink capacity of the earth. This isn't global warming i'm talking about. The only means of staying under it perpetually are a steady state model where the standard of living drops significantly.
     Rocks have fallen before and destroyed the planet. also super volcanoes like the one in India or Siberia.
     >No, obviously
     Alright then, if you don't want humanity/animals/plants to die from cataclysm, it's surely not a good idea to keep all our eggs in one basket.
     >How do you define "quality of life"?
     The foods people are able to/allowed to eat. They take tremendous resources that we agree are limited. Also, the amount of electricity each person has access to. In a steady-state system, it's about the level of your average african. Space can do far better. Air is abundant in space via separation of water, which is extremely abundant. Food can easily be grown in space en masse. Space Colonies also offer new chances for independent governments to form. Space Germany, anyone?
     >I don't think we'll have to.
     I've considered all sorts of scenarios where we just let people die off, and like people drowning, they tend to take anyone nearby with them. It will snowball something fierce and we should avoid it at all costs.
     >Even more delusional than suggesting colonies on other planets
     Not at all, we've had the technology since the 1960's. Orbital Colonies have the tremendous benefit of very low energy costs for transportation of resources from asteroids. Radiation can be managed via ice or magnetic shields. Planetary Colonies all have deep gravity wells that increase costs exponentially, or horrific natural features like the Moon being covered in microscopic glass.
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     Woodshop ? (woodshophandman@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 24-Apr-2024 05:38:39 JST Woodshop ?

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     @Forgetful_Gynn @boeswilligkeit >The limited heat dissipation dictates how much energy the world can use per year before it overruns the heat sink capacity of the earth. This isn't global warming i'm talking about. The only means of staying under it perpetually are a steady state model where the standard of living drops significantly.
     I don't think people supporting themselves with crafts and other physical labor, living in cozy cottages cooking real food with woodfire is a drop in standard of living. I'd consider it an improvement, actually.
     >Rocks have fallen before and destroyed the planet. also super volcanoes like the one in India or Siberia.
     And the odds of that happening again are miniscule. You are worried about things that, statistically, aren't a threat and won't be for thousands upon thousands of years, if humanity even lives that long.
     >The foods people are able to/allowed to eat. They take tremendous resources that we agree are limited. Also, the amount of electricity each person has access to. In a steady-state system, it's about the level of your average african.
     I don't like electricity. I'm forced to use it because I live in modern society. I don't actually see the problem with living in a close-knit tribe of people like you where homes are made from natural renewable resources as opposed to the atomized community-less world we live in today.
     >Space can do far better.
     Shitting in tubes is enough to argue otherwise
     >Air is abundant in space via separation of water, which is extremely abundant. Food can easily be grown in space en masse.
     Both of these require complex systems with many fail-states that appear very easily. Even hydroponic systems here on earth fail often compared to just digging a hole in dirt and planting seeds.
     >Space Colonies also offer new chances for independent governments to form. Space Germany, anyone?
     Okay so you watched gundam or star trek or something and actually believed it
     >I've considered all sorts of scenarios where we just let people die off, and like people drowning, they tend to take anyone nearby with them. It will snowball something fierce and we should avoid it at all costs.
     Why?
     >Not at all, we've had the technology since the 1960's.
     I'm gonna ignore your redditor science nerd wank after this sentence because the simple response is why don't we just do it if we have the technology?
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     Forgetful Gynn (forgetful_gynn@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 24-Apr-2024 05:38:40 JST Forgetful Gynn

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     @WoodshopHandman @boeswilligkeit Limited resources, limited heat dissipation capacity, constant threat of rocks falling and everyone dying. Do we want to destroy the world God gave us? Do we want to let all of God's creation be destroyed? What level of quality of life is acceptable on Earth? Should we prevent all humans from breeding or cull people by some arbitrary means to keep numbers at some very low level?
     
     If we want to survive and thrive, we need space colonies. Space, mind you, not planets.
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     Riamu (riamu@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 24-Apr-2024 11:54:20 JST Riamu

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     @WoodshopHandman @boeswilligkeit More Hitlers.
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     Ares :sonnenrad: (boeswilligkeit@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 24-Apr-2024 11:54:21 JST Ares :sonnenrad:

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     @WoodshopHandman it's stunningly beautiful, but in order to sustain a larger population while maintaining the full natural beauty of this place we need to expand.
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     Woodshop ? (woodshophandman@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 24-Apr-2024 11:54:21 JST Woodshop ?

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     @boeswilligkeit Why do we need a larger population?
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