For example, just about everyone on Mastodon is fully convinced that Eugen Rochko has brought quote-posts to the Fediverse this year. That's because next to nobody on Mastodon knows that Friendica has been able to quote-post practically everything in the Fediverse, including Mastodon toots, for 15 years now.
And if Friendica doesn't have it, chances are still that Hubzilla has it, and that Hubzilla has probably had it for longer than Mastodon has been around, too.
For example, private messages that are actually private. Mastodon doesn't have them because the "privacy" of Mastodon DMs is only "guaranteed" by limiting whom a DM is sent to. Hubzilla does have them and has had them since 2012, since it was still named Red. How? Because Hubzilla also limits who is permitted to see a DM.
Oh, and Hubzilla even offers optional encryption on top of that.
Or how about server-independent identity? Everyone still waiting for Bluesky to finally be the pioneer who invents this and implements it for the first time? LOL! Once again, Hubzilla has had this since 2012. Not a vague concept, not an unstable proof-of-concept, but daily-driven by production-grade channels on production-grade servers. (streams) has it, too, inherited from Hubzilla through a whole number of forks. Forte has it, too, and Forte is the first and, so far, only Fediverse server software that uses ActivityPub for nomadic identity.
Now I'm waiting for someone to announce that something will "bring" actual groups "to the Fediverse". A feature that was actually introduced to the Fediverse by StatusNet in 2008, and that's also available on Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte. Not to mention that the very principle of the Threadiverse (Lemmy, the remains of /kbin, Mbin, PieFed) is based on groups.
This is what happens when you think that the feature set of the whole Fediverse is the feature set of Mastodon and maybe Pixelfed because that's all you know.
Speaking of Mastodon: Just because it's being "brought to the Fediverse", doesn't mean it'll be adopted by Mastodon.
Das #Fediverse ist (zumindest an ein paar Stellen) in der Mitte der Gesellschaft angekommen. Das ist stark und sicher mehr als mensch hoffen konnte als @evan damals 2008 #identica und #StatusNet gegründet und geschrieben hat. Andererseits: Es ist auch eine Entwicklung von jetzt 17 Jahren, die zeigt, wie lange solche Projekte auch "im digitalen Zeitalter" brauchen. #ostatus#activitypub
Pues, como decían antes en los conciertos, "ya sabéis que la cosa se está acabando o casi acabando..." y que antes de que empecéis a dar la tabarra con los #cachitos de nochevieja 😀 este nodo de !gnusocial habrá cerrado.
Y yo siento que tengo mucho que agradecer.
Primero, claro, a la gente que lo hizo posible técnicamente. La que desarrolló #statusNet y sus antecesores y secuelas. Y que estuvieron manteniendo y ampliando mientras pudieron. Así como a las diferentes personas que han mantenido el nodo en pié a lo largo de no sé si doce o más años.
Pero también, a quienes estuvisteis aquí. Ocupando este lugar y dándonos un sitio acogedor donde resistir mientras el resto del planeta abrazaba el capitalismo de vigilancia.
Y, sobre todo, sobre todo, sobre todo. A nuestro querido @administrator. A quien solo puedo decir gracias, gracias, gracias, por habernos traído hasta aquí. 🤗 🤗 🤗
Y me despido con este vídeo que me parece un buen recuerdo con el que quedarnos.
Como aquí nunca hemos tenido #AltText, os cuento que el vídeo es una animación con figuras tipo comic en el que se ve una isla que está siendo ocupada por grandes edificios y personas con dinero y lupas representando a las GAFAM. Y que poco a poco van saliendo aldeas con unas pocas personas que se comunican entre sí.
Does anyone happen to know whether the old data of #identica users that weren't migrated over when it switched from #StatusNet to #pumpio has been archived anywhere? I see a mention that there was a plan to upload it to @internetarchive, but can't find anything more than that. #fediverse#ostatus
If you haven't heard, sadly, #ChirpSocial, one of the popular #ActivityPub “groups” platform, is shutting down “probably” on February 29th.
In an email they sent to admins, the owner and developer can no longer support https://chirp.social financially as they failed to find a new job after they were laid off by #Google last year.
This reminds us the importance of having a built-in groups feature, and one where the groups feature actually federates.
Back in 2008, when the #Fediverse was born, we did have a built-in federated groups in #Laconica / #StatusNet (today known as #GNUsocial). We used bang (!) instead of at (@). A built-in groups feature is more stable as established instances can host them.
Today, we have #Friendica and #Hubzilla (as well as #Streams-based instances) to fill in that, as groups is a built-in feature in those software products. It's just a matter of finding an instance that's open to hosting groups for any topic for the ActivityPub protocol.
That said, any Friendica, Hubzilla, Streams-based instances you suggest for groups?
@simsa04 I do not know of any such service for #GNUsocial. There are a few very old web-based quick installers from the #StatusNet days, but even then they weren't much better than getting a VPS and installing by hand, because as soon as you wanted to change something, you needed to use ssh, the command line, and edit config files.
If you still have contact with Lohan G, the artist from Sri Lanka, he hosted an instance somewhere, maybe he has ideas and warnings that would help. Last I knew, @lohang .
With hashtags, you can only see content if: 1. you are following that hashtag (in Mastodon -- by the way, following a hashtag was a very recent feature in Mastodon); or watching that word/keyword (in #Calckey)
(Also, if a post is "unlisted", it won't appear in hashtags even if there are hashtags, but will still be seen through groups.)
2. you will only see content that your instance is aware of
But with groups, a content is “boosted” by the groups account, which is then seen by anyone following it, even those not yet known by your instance.
For example, I created a new solo instance. If I post using only hashtags, since it is a new instance, my status update will only be seen in servers already aware of my instance. However, if I tag a federated group, it will be seen by everyone following that group.
Or, if I am a new user, my #ObservableFediverse is very small that it does indeed feel lonely and the system is broken (people have forgotten that they started similarly in other #SNS). I have to follow people, discover users from other servers, to grow my Observable Fediverse. However, if I follow one or two groups, I will immediately see status updates from everywhere.
PS It's not new actually. Federated groups has been around since 2008 when the first #fediverse software was released (called #Laconica, which was renamed to #StatusNet, then renamed and known today as #GNUsocial). And #Mastodon finally approved adding its own groups feature. There are also #Friendica and #Hubzilla (both far older than Mastodon and still exists today), and #Streams with group features.
It will depend on the platform. For example, #Friendica (and to an extent #Hubzilla and #Streams), the owner of the group (and anyone else given moderation access) can block accounts. There is also chirp.social which can also block accounts.
Then there is #GNUsocial, which is a rebranded #StatusNet itself a rebranded #Laconica (the first #Fediverse software, c. 2008) have built-in groups feature; which IIRC, can also block users if needed.
Personally, services like Guppe really need to add moderation features, otherwise, what you just described will more likely happen.
Before ActivityPub and Mastodon became a mass phenomenon together, the "holy trinity" was #Diaspora, #Friendica and #Hubzilla, all connected via the Diaspora* protocol and, ironically, connectors not developed by the Diaspora* team. #StatusNet was kind of dragged in, too, but couldn't connect to Diaspora*. And after identi.ca had switched from StatusNet to Pump.io, StatusNet barely mattered anymore anyway.
That said, nobody called it "Fediverse" back then.
> We made GNU social which had its part in starting the Fediverse! GNU social was a spin-off from GNU FM, which was the software we made to run Libre.fm -- Libre.fm has been federated for a very, very long time.
I’m not sure when FooCorp’s GS project started, but the ##Fediverse predates the merger of #StatusNet, #FreeSocial, and #GNUsocial into the modern GS project. Y’all have some historical accomplishments already, so there’s no need to overinflate your role.
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