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   Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 17-Nov-2022 07:19:17 JST Chris Trottier

   The Fediverse is the biggest communications revolution in a generation.

   I know, sounds like hype.

   Many tech revolutions have been promised and haven't arrived.

   Where's my 3D-printed house? My self-driving car? My AR glasses?

   Compared to those things, the Fediverse looks less grandiose.

   So am I sure about this Fediverse revolution? So far, this just looks like Twitter.

   Yes, I'm sure.

   The Fediverse fixes one of the Internet's biggest pain points. Let me explain. ?

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     寮 (ryo@social.076.ne.jp)'s status on Thursday, 17-Nov-2022 07:19:08 JST 寮

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     @PhenomX6 @atomicpoet The problem with email in current year is that it already got taken over by just a handful of big corporations.
     If you want to run your independent mail server, they'll let you, but you must comply with their demands or they'll make it as difficult for you as possible to communicate with 90% of other email users, as they're using one of these corpo's soyvices.
     http://asc7ewkcvat2wsoi5yuwkej5ukyrqqnpnzpj4u34r2jxnoxhnbx6yqad.onion/blog/liberate-email-ignore-dkim/
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     ?Smoking cigs in Room 641a ??|?? (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Thursday, 17-Nov-2022 07:19:09 JST ?Smoking cigs in Room 641a ??|??

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     @atomicpoet Counterpoint; the e-mail problem.
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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 17-Nov-2022 07:19:10 JST Chris Trottier

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     Here's one more problem with the modern Internet.

     Novel and new innovations of the network effect are no longer built as open protocols.

     Instead, they're built as proprietary APIs, or are based on someone else's proprietary API.

     This is what effectively happened with Twitter. Their API was only "open" insofar as they allowed access. The moment they pulled access -- too bad for everyone building off their so-called "open" API!

     To wit, new open protocols were (and are!) needed.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 17-Nov-2022 07:19:11 JST Chris Trottier

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     Because the Internet's network effect has become effectively monopolized, can we even call it the "open web" anymore?

     Not at all.

     If you want to be discovered, you have to play ball with a big tech monopoly.

     Personally, what if Google doesn't like me -- and they want to wipe me off the face of the Internet?

     Or worse, what if I don't like Google because they've enabled human rights violations?

     Too bad! It's their network effect! https://mashable.com/article/saudi-app-control-women-google-apple

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 17-Nov-2022 07:19:12 JST Chris Trottier

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     The biggest problem of the Internet today: everything depends on a network effect owned by someone else.

     Usually, that "someone else" is a giant tech company.

     Your options for building the network effect are:

     1. Google
     2. Big Social
     3. Email

     If I don't want to use someone else's network effect, I will have effectively siloed myself.

     And this isn't why we use the Internet, is it?

     After all, we're here to build connections.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 17-Nov-2022 07:19:14 JST Chris Trottier

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     Now a funny thing happened when the Internet matured: for profit-corporations tried to gain monopolies over the network effect of the Internet.

     Google used their dominance in search to wield dominance in news, maps, advertising, etc.

     Facebook built social networks to monopolize a network effect, and shape it to its will.

     Even old tech like email was compromised as corporations felt it was within their interest to contract the reach of the network effect.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 17-Nov-2022 07:19:15 JST Chris Trottier

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     Now why is the Internet effective? Because it's a series of protocols that increase the network effect.

     The more people who use email, the more effective it is.

     The more people use the web, the more effective it is.

     The more people use BitTorrent, the more effective it is.

     This is why when the Internet was in its infancy, it was built on open prrotocols: nobody was going to use the web if HTTP was proprietary.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 17-Nov-2022 07:19:16 JST Chris Trottier

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     Before I talk about the Fediverse -- and how revolutionary it is -- it's important to understand what a network effect is.

     To sum up: much of technology's effectiveness is tied to the number of users that can use it.

     Let's take a telephone.

     If only two people in the world had a phone, it would barely be usable as technology. After all, you can only talk to two people.

     But if everyone had a phone, now it's extremely effective. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect

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     Jackuu (jackuu@beefyboys.win)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-2022 03:25:00 JST Jackuu

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     >muh..m...maybe they were federating with-
     
     Who gives a rip lmfao
     
     We federate with all sorts of stupid and shitty instances populated by the biggest fuck-witted morons imaginable, you know what I do when I see a stupid take or something that I find grossly offensive?
     
     I either laugh, ignore it, or make fun of it and repost it so other people can make fun of it too
     
     I don't clutch pearls and cower behind blocks. You will find that healthy antifragile individuals do not need other people to protect them from unpleasantness on the internet. What winds up happening is the people who have been coddled for too long will inevitably be exposed to these concepts and will be completely unable to deal with them, and one day you'll find yourself in a situation that you can't just hit a block button to solve
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     — Guérin ? (guerin@bdx.town)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-2022 03:25:01 JST — Guérin ?

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     to be honest i begin to understand why they block on software reason since said software was built for and used by almost exclusively people i don't want in my feed.
     
     and i say that from an instance that uses a fork of soapbox.
     
     you guys make it really hard to separate the software from its users.
     
     Maybe your "completely apolitical" cooking instance was federating with all those "not at all apolitical" instances which tolerates racism, antisemitism, homophobia, transphobia, misogyny or whatever shit ? just sayin'
     
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     Jackuu (jackuu@beefyboys.win)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-2022 03:25:02 JST Jackuu

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     >dumb reasons
     
     My completely apolitical cooking instance was blocked by these people for racism, *phobias, etc
     
     All because of the software I use, no other reason
     
     Not that I'm complaining, I'd rather these types of people block me and never interact in the first place but it's just petty kneejerk behavior.
     
     Now, my main instance (this one) gets blocked all the fucking time and I'm perfectly okay with that because I'm not going to censor myself to appease weirdos on the internet who feel the need to police other people's behavior to fit in with their bizarre utopian ideals concerning online safety and inclusivity
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     ?Smoking cigs in Room 641a ??|?? (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-2022 03:25:03 JST ?Smoking cigs in Room 641a ??|??

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     @atomicpoet if you wanna see something funny go to fba.ryona.agency and type in your instance. You can see how many people blocked it for dumb reasons.
     https://fba.ryona.agency/?domain=mastodon.social
     
     Bonus points: Start your own single user instance and see how fast it takes to get blocked by instances.
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     — Guérin ? (guerin@bdx.town)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-2022 03:25:03 JST — Guérin ?

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     @PhenomX6 wow that post made me instantly raise an eyebrow.
     
     Because, you know, who whines about being blocked for so called dumb reasons ?
     Mostly toxic actors.
     
     You know, the ones who say everyone is a snowflake and is too easily triggered and then cries and rants in endless threads that they were blocked.
     
     Get over it.
     
     When you say stupid/boring/hateful things, you don't get to be listened to.
     
     Anyway i followed your link and bam. Kiwifarms. Like the worst of fediverse alongside Gab.
     
     Guess my instinct was right.
     
     A quick peak at your profile where you brag about being blocked by so many people confirmed that you're not someone i want in my feed.
     
     Maybe ask yourself why no one wants to interact with you, rather than blaming everyone. Pretty sure the one using dumb reaons is not who you think it is.
     
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     NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-2022 18:47:12 JST NEETzsche

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     @Guerin >Maybe your "completely apolitical" cooking instance was federating with all those "not at all apolitical" instances which tolerates racism, antisemitism, homophobia, transphobia, misogyny or whatever shit ? just sayin'
     
     Maybe you should be less concerned with enforcing your gay politics onto other people and more concerned with producing quality content.
     
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     寮 (ryo@social.076.ne.jp)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-2022 18:47:12 JST 寮

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     @NEETzsche @Guerin @Jackuu @PhenomX6 @atomicpoet
     I would have almost entirely agreed here, but you just fucked up here;
     
     > and more concerned with producing quality content.
     
     Microblogging was never meant for producing quality content, it was always meant to be a shitposting hub, it's only that all the left wing extremist political "completely apolitical" zealots started coming in and introduce politics, and then people who didn't want to talk about politics but felt forced into doing so because free speech was threatened to be lost, who got called "right wing extremists" that things started getting more serious.
     
     To them it doesn't even matter if someone is even more left leaning than Stallin, Hitler, Mao, and Bernie Sanders are/were, or very far right leaning, or somewhere in the center, or completely apolitical, because according to those types of people, anyone who's not entirely in line with the current political dogma is considered a "right wing extremist".
     
     And that's how "racism", "antisemitism", "homophobia", "transphobia", "misosoupgenie", and all the rest of the ismphobia's get enabled.
     Not because niggers, Middle Easterners, gays, trannies, men, or whatever else are inherently evil, it's because because those who use these labels as weapons to enable censorship are inherently evil.
     
     If only these nonsensticle words wouldn't even be a thing to begin with, microblogging would still have been all about shitposting far away from politics, and the internet in general would have been a far more fun place to be on.
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     寮 (ryo@social.076.ne.jp)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-2022 18:53:05 JST 寮

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     @NEETzsche @Guerin @Jackuu @PhenomX6 @atomicpoet
     
     > People posting their drawings and paintings.
     
     Yes, this is actually a good point.
     Sad that this is the kind of content that usually gets censored the hardest, yet none of these "free speech champions" ever condemn censorship of that.
     
     > People making announcements about their projects and businesses and so on.
     
     There's actually a better way of doing this, it's called RSS feeds.
     But oh well, they have to reach out to the tech illiterate smartphone generation somehow...
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     NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-2022 18:53:06 JST NEETzsche

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     @ryo Nah I disagree. I think there's tons of quality content on micro blogging services like Twitter. People posting their drawings and paintings. People making announcements about their projects and businesses and so on.
     
     Honestly I feel guilty for using fedi like a discussion forum if I'm being totally honest.
     
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     Prude: Benevolent Fedi Angel ? (prude@beefyboys.win)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-2022 19:04:41 JST Prude: Benevolent Fedi Angel ?

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     This is why we need federated traditional forums software that isn't dogshit, it would be so much better than the microblogging format for what most of us do and how most of us post. ?
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     寮 (ryo@social.076.ne.jp)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-2022 19:06:58 JST 寮

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     @NEETzsche @Guerin @Jackuu @PhenomX6 @atomicpoet I'd be lying if I'd say I'm not using both.
     Because I know that I have an audience on only RSS, only ActivityPub, and both.
     Not because I know it as a fact (I don't, because I don't have any trackers at all), it's simply because it makes sense.
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     NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-2022 19:06:59 JST NEETzsche

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     @ryo I'm a fan of just using everything. People have this idea in their head that you can't publish announcements etc to both an RSS feed and to ActivityPub. People treat it like it's some kind of tech polygamy. It reminds me of people who insist on only using free and open source software. It's prescriptive in a bad way. That's partly because it ignores the reality that only certain people care about the particular sticking point of RSS versus ActivityPub.
     
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     寮 (ryo@social.076.ne.jp)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-2022 19:07:26 JST 寮

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     @PhenomX6 @Guerin @Jackuu @NEETzsche @atomicpoet You mean Pixelfed?
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     ?Smoking cigs in Room 641a ??|?? (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-2022 19:07:27 JST ?Smoking cigs in Room 641a ??|??

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     @NEETzsche @Guerin @Jackuu @atomicpoet @ryo I wish there was some art gallery over AP imo. I should learn to code and figure out how it'd work
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     FourOh-LLC (fouroh-llc@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-2022 19:08:09 JST FourOh-LLC

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     ActivityPub is not the only only protocol, Hubzilla is using Zot and Zap. Fediverse "centralizing" on one protocol is already a concern.
     
     The entire owner-operated network that is Fediverse needs everything, as censoring every type of stream is more difficult.
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     ?Smoking cigs in Room 641a ??|?? (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-2022 19:09:07 JST ?Smoking cigs in Room 641a ??|??

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     @FourOh-LLC @Guerin @Jackuu @NEETzsche @atomicpoet @ryo also gs instances still using legacy ostatus
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     寮 (ryo@social.076.ne.jp)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-2022 19:11:09 JST 寮

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     @FourOh-LLC @Guerin @Jackuu @PhenomX6 @NEETzsche @atomicpoet Don't forget about the Diaspora protocol.
     An old and underrated protocol.
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     FourOh-LLC (fouroh-llc@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-2022 19:13:00 JST FourOh-LLC

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     Hubzilla maintains a plugin for that, although finding control nodes (I forgot what they are called) is difficult.
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     寮 (ryo@social.076.ne.jp)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-2022 19:14:30 JST 寮

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     @NEETzsche @Guerin @Jackuu @PhenomX6 @atomicpoet @FourOh-LLC That's not always true.
     Can't use an radio station hub to share loli's on for example.
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     NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-2022 19:14:31 JST NEETzsche

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     @FourOh-LLC Sure, but the point is that you shouldn't feel terribly constrained on which services you use. You should feel comfortable using whichever ones are convenient. Even commercial services like Twitter are fine to me. They just need to be convenient enough, and with few enough drawbacks, to merit using.
     
     For a chat service, I have a Matrix hub that has bridges to both Telegram and Discord, you know, commercial services. So if a user posts in any of these services they end up posting in all of them. Bridging is superior to mere federation in some ways because it brings the federation to them, across platforms and protocols that might even object to such interoperability, and for those that do, it's just tough shit
     
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     寮 (ryo@social.076.ne.jp)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-2022 19:31:47 JST 寮

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     @FourOh-LLC @Guerin @Jackuu @PhenomX6 @NEETzsche @atomicpoet Because mobile-only users are compliant consoomers, they never actually produce stuff.
     And with that you'll usually end up with no effort, talentless hacks who like to talk about Linux because "it's so cool", and never because they actually use it or even know anything about it other than whatever their favorite JewTuber has said in one video at one point.
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     I would love to use any forum to bring back Linux User Groups. However, when most people (I am not going to guess how many, lets say 51%) use mobile only.
     
     On mobile we can "talk about Linux" but that is all. As soon as you get to the "install it yourself" you find yourself alone.
     
     The audience of Twitter is mobile-only, and here I risk a 90% plus. I go farther, and declare that any forum with a mobile client has a user base more inclined to shoot breeze than to actually do anything.
     
     This is just an observation, not a complaint. In my experience, any popular forum with popular mobile client is terribly "restraining" to me :D
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     @FourOh-LLC No, I don't. The people who actually want to make things are going to pursue it on their own and the people who don't really want to make things just aren't. That's the conclusion I've arrived at.
     
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     FourOh-LLC (fouroh-llc@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-2022 19:38:55 JST FourOh-LLC

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     Any ideas how to resurrect LUGs, and instill the love for UNIX workstation into the current generations? I do not interact with kids and college students, I let someone else do that.
     
     This is a practical issue, and I take this fairly seriously.
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     NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-2022 19:38:56 JST NEETzsche

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     @FourOh-LLC I actually take the "use everything" argument fairly seriously. On my desk, within arm's reach, is one laptop that's on Windows and another that's on Linux, and my main desktop, the big chonker, is a dual boot. I've been considering getting a Macbook to cover things I can't really do in either but I haven't found much by way of that. I really like the freedom to be able to change my tools at the drop of a hat based on circumstance. None of this annoying fiddling with WinE or trying to wrestle WSL into submission, nah. Just twist myself 25° and I go from Windows to Linux or vice versa, no further bullshit required.
     
     So I feel the same way about Internet services. Right now, you're correct, I'm posting to you on a phone, but that's only because I'm at the gym. In a couple hours, if we're still chatting, I'll be at my desk again
     
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     寮 (ryo@social.076.ne.jp)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-2022 19:43:33 JST 寮

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     @NEETzsche @Guerin @Jackuu @PhenomX6 @atomicpoet @FourOh-LLC That's the way to do it, yes.
     If you force people into doing something they don't want to do anyway, you'll only be enemies with them, not frens.
     
     Those who want to use a real computer will, those who refuse will use a smartphone.
     And in a sense I think this doubles as a filter; the nerds get to talk with other nerds, while the rest rolls in the whole mainstream shit they themselves have pooped out.
     This is actually way better than inviting them into places they don't belong, only to then be forced out of by those very people you invited in.
     
     This is what happened to the internet, and just about every single hobby so far as well.
     Yet nobody ever seems to learn.
     Although, apparently the Vtuber and gatcha game communities have learned their lessons, and stood up against wokeness and censorship respectively, and now they continue to enjoy their hobbies the way they always had.
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     NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-2022 19:44:19 JST NEETzsche

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     @FourOh-LLC To expand on that a bit, I've noticed that user group meetings in general are a thing of the past. When I was dirt broke I would go to user group meetings for programming languages looking for jobs and free pizza. It's kind of a tragedy that they're gone now because it was a vector for me to form a career. Now some other dirt broke kid with a little talent and some gumption is gonna be out of luck. Sad.
     
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     Not entirely, no.
     
     I work in manufacturing, where we cannot have remote machine operators, or maintenance people using augmented reality.
     
     Some of us has to be that guy, ruining everyone's day by reminding people that there is nothing virtual about the Milky Way Galaxy and most of the stuff in it.
     
     The Matrix had it wrong, you cannot bend reality.
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     neo (neo@pl.comfysnug.space)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-2022 20:33:48 JST neo

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     @NEETzsche
     To a huge degree, the internet has replaced in person meetups in terms of how people do socialization.
     Meeting others on the internet, even today, is much lower risk (time lost, etc) than meeting in person.
     
     In person meetups will probably need to adapt by offering more or they may die out completely by the time Gen Z are the entrenched decision makers in congress (if we don't all die in WW3 before that ofc)
     
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     @FourOh-LLC @Guerin @Jackuu @PhenomX6 @NEETzsche @atomicpoet @neo The current customer I work for has 12 employees including the boss himself, and only me and the boss are actually physically at the office, because everyone else is still scared of the covAIDS (that fake virus that doesn't even exist), the moronic variant, the Bullshit Asshole whatever number they're currently using, and so on, while being lethally injected multiple times and all that, so they work remotely.
     
     I normally work remotely too, but not because I'm afraid of some bullshit, but because I'm just more productive that way, and having to ride trains for 4 hours every day is rather tiring.
     But this customer really wants me to be physically at the office because everyone else is such a pussy, and only he and me aren't.
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     NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-2022 20:38:37 JST NEETzsche

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     • 寮
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     • Jackuu
     • neo
     • FourOh-LLC
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     @FourOh-LLC Ah, so you're a field engineer. Good stuff.
     
     @Guerin
     @Jackuu @PhenomX6 @atomicpoet @neo @ryo
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     FourOh-LLC (fouroh-llc@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Friday, 18-Nov-2022 21:06:08 JST FourOh-LLC

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     • 寮
     • NEETzsche
     • ?Smoking cigs in Room 641a ??|??
     • Jackuu
     • neo
     • — Guérin ?
     Currently I am a component engineer, scrubbing PCBA BOMs against environmental regulations. My original training was in diesel-electric railway engine repair, including pneumatic / hydraulic safety and power train systems. I worked as a machinist in Tool and Die, I used to rebuild punch-presses, I was an internal web developer, an SMT/ AOI programmer. I worked in warehouse and in factories since 1989.
     
     No hands-on experience I ever learned hurt me, and I do not really care what I need to do to make a living. I can adopt fairly well.
     
     I love UNIX, I love manufacturing, and I love Fediverse :D
     
     Gen Z might be over-educated and under-motivated, and I prefer to focus on the "working class", who already know what reality is all about.
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