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CEO of Monoeye Dating (ceo_of_monoeye_dating@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 22:19:09 JST 
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This observation got made to me and I can't really shake a few of the consequences:
PTSD is often misdiagnosed as an Autism Spectrum Disorder - especially during childhood, when diagnosing the patient with PTSD is likely to alert authorities to child abuse (therapists love child abuse because it creates future patients, and so will not stop it).
[I, in particular, am one of these cases. As I've been resolving my PTSD, I've become a *lot* more neurotypical: I'm slowly starting to fit into normal society, and I have a foot out of the door of this place.]
Consider the second graph. The rise in autism cases has its inflection point around 1985. This might suggest some massive, shared trauma inflicted upon children beginning around that time, and - most importantly - never ceasing.- Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 likes this.
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CEO of Monoeye Dating (ceo_of_monoeye_dating@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 22:19:08 JST
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The instinctive thought for a millennial is that this is caused by Boomers - their parenting is so atrocious that they've constantly inflicted PTSD on their children. This *might* check out - autism prevalence per capita seems to cap out around 2012. Someone who wants to follow this thought through would conclude that Boomers, Gen X, and Millennials were all collectively atrocious parents to the point of constantly inflicting PTSD on their children.
...I'm skeptical, given that Millennials are some of the most limp-wristed and fawning parents ever seen. My hatred for Boomers is immense, but the data doesn't back that up so good. -
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CEO of Monoeye Dating (ceo_of_monoeye_dating@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 22:19:08 JST
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One hypothesis that is backed up by data - but which is a little outlandish - is a revised version of the "vaccines cause autism" diagnosis. The argument proceeds thusly:
Vaccines are administered by stabbing small children with needles.
This is traumatic.
Some small portion of these children may get PTSD from being stabbed with needles.
These children may get diagnosed with Autism.
Thus, vaccines cause autism diagnosis.
🤷 This outlandish thing I've just said...seems to be backed up by what I can see. I can't shake it, even if it seems absurd. I'd like to hear a counterargument against it, I've struggled to construct one but would very much like this strange thought to be dispelled.
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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Dec-2024 22:24:59 JST 
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating surely the pool of children experiencing ptsd from traumatic experiences would be larger than vaccines to the point where that wouldn't even be a drop in a swimming pool by comparison
it's as much of a hypothesis as any other i guess but if it *were* true it should have been a signal out of the attempts to replicate wakefield and it wasn't. It screams 'attempting to salvage a known false hypothesis' but because we don't yet know the full cause of autism there is room for speculation. -
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CEO of Monoeye Dating (ceo_of_monoeye_dating@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 00:50:07 JST
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@CatLord @jeffcliff If you read upthread, you can see that my claim is one of skepticism that there's actually a serious increase in cases of autism.
I'm suggesting that the increase in autism diagnoses is due to an increase in PTSD cases, which are then being misdiagnosed as autism.
I didn't buy Wakefield before, and I *super* don't buy it now that I've noticed this. I'm skeptical that the phenomenon he was claiming to explain is actually there. -
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CEO of Monoeye Dating (ceo_of_monoeye_dating@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 00:50:08 JST
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@jeffcliff >it should have been a signal out of the attempts to replicate wakefield and it wasn't.
It could have just got missed; I guess we can't know. Negative results don't get published very often, and we're interested in reading about a negative result. It's frustrating both from the perspective of researchers and an interested public.
>It screams 'attempting to salvage a known false hypothesis'
I agree. I'm asking if we can preemptively build a solid case against this thing I've said, because I'm going to bring the "PTSD is misdiagnosed as autism" thing up to people I know - some of whom totally buy the "vaccines cause autism" bit.
I think it's an obvious line of thought from that perspective. I'd like to sort of prepare to shoot it down, but I just kinda haven't figured out how to.
>The general "bad parenting causes autism" however has been looked at...It doesn't seem to wash at all
There's two points off about this.
First, it's off-center for what's being discussed: the claim isn't "bad parenting/trauma/etc. causes autism," it's "bad parenting/trauma/etc. causes ptsd which gets misdiagnosed as autism."
Second, if this research was only conducted before Wakefield, then it should be revisited: our notions of what constitutes "bad parenting" has expanded greatly, and it includes practices such as "spanking your kids unconscious."
One might reasonably ask whether or not spanking causes autism - I'm not sure if Boomers/Gen X simply spanked more brutally than past generations. However, I'd like to shelve that thought and focus on the PTSD/autism misdiagnosis link, and whether or not hitting kids with needles is potentially causing an upsurge in autism diagnoses as a result. -
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @jeffcliff Wakefield was right. -
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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 00:52:28 JST
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> First, it's off-center for what's being discussed: the claim isn't "bad parenting/trauma/etc. causes autism," it's "bad parenting/trauma/etc. causes ptsd which gets misdiagnosed as autism."
fair enough
> One might reasonably ask whether or not spanking causes autism
>- I'm not sure if Boomers/Gen X simply spanked more brutally than past generations.
my guess would be 'less brutally' but ymmv
I guess it would at least be a new angle for the 'vaccines cause autism' crowd to do research on and it could be valuable there. -
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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 00:52:44 JST
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@CatLord @ceo_of_monoeye_dating No, he wasn't. -
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CEO of Monoeye Dating (ceo_of_monoeye_dating@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 00:59:28 JST
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@jeffcliff Second paragraph should start "beginning around 1980 - so that the first of these children turn 5 or so in 1985..."
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CEO of Monoeye Dating (ceo_of_monoeye_dating@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 00:59:29 JST
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@jeffcliff There are many things one can point at and wonder as far as this goes - all of which are interesting, and which can cause a lengthy discussion as far as speculation goes. However, I think that one thing in particular is evident:
Beginning around 1980 - when the first of these children turned 5 - something began to constantly traumatize small children giving them PTSD symptoms, which therapists are misdiagnosing as autism. This explains the rise in autism cases better than just about anything else I've come across. There is something uniquely traumatic about being born since 1980, and it is shared among a lot of people under the age of 45 - but is not shared by those who are older.
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Jens_Rasmussen (jens_rasmussen@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 00:59:51 JST 
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@CatLord @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @jeffcliff It's not just a case of "what was once a weird but undiagnosed kid, is now a kid diagnosed with autism"? -
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DM me cats :nv: (catlord@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 00:59:52 JST
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @jeffcliff PTSD being misdiagnosed as autism is possible but does not explain the increase in autism cases. I've seen this idea, that autism increase is a statistic but not an actual, many times over the years. I also have several teachers in my family. Autism and associated behavioural/mental conditions are increasing. I personally think it's due to a bunch of different health/diet/industrial factors and doubt that it's at all due to PTSD from needle pokes being mistaken as autism. -
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ninja8tyu (ninja8tyu@varishangout.net)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 04:28:13 JST 
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @jeffcliff i think the schoolyard, dentists, other adults, at least in my experience, would've counted to PTSD in that case
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naneko (naneko@varishangout.net)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 04:28:24 JST 
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @jeffcliff If circumcision wasn't causing it, I doubt a needle poke would. Being too young to consciously remember circumcision wouldn't prevent brain damage, which is what we are talking about if we are talking about PTSD.
In war an incident can be so bad it does damage immediately and can burn memories to the wrong part of the brain.
In an abusive childhood stress chemicals can be be so high all the time the brain never gets relief. This becomes toxic and causes damage slowly, instead of a brief incident so severe the damage happens quickly. This is what I remember from over a decade ago, I've not seen this talked about since or looked into it.
If it is PTSD, it must be something other than needles. It could be needles AND some other problem. Take a bad environment, have a painful incident in that context with no emotional support or relief, now that incident is much harder to deal with.
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CEO of Monoeye Dating (ceo_of_monoeye_dating@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 04:52:46 JST
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@CatLord @jeffcliff >I personally think it's due to a bunch of different health/diet/industrial factors and doubt that it's at all due to PTSD from needle pokes being mistaken as autism.
I agree that the explanation I proposed seems unlikely and absurd. What bothers me is that despite this, I can't fully rule it out. There's obviously better explanations, which makes it unsatisfying that we can't stamp out this weird one. -
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@Jens_Rasmussen @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @jeffcliff No, there is a definite change. It's not that we're noticing it more or simply reclassifying previous existing behaviours with a syndrome. It actually is increasing a lot. -
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CEO of Monoeye Dating (ceo_of_monoeye_dating@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 04:52:46 JST
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@CatLord @Jens_Rasmussen @jeffcliff I agree with "there is some sort of notable behavioral change." There are wide-scale cultural behaviors that our generation engages in which are simply unheard of historically, something is genuinely different here. -
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CEO of Monoeye Dating (ceo_of_monoeye_dating@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 04:54:33 JST
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@ninja8tyu @jeffcliff Rates of circumcision actually fell over the time period being discussed. Circumcision is not a valid explanation here. -
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CEO of Monoeye Dating (ceo_of_monoeye_dating@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 05:01:20 JST
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@naneko @jeffcliff >If circumcision wasn't causing it, I doubt a needle poke would.
I disagree, simply because the needle pokes happen when you're old enough to remember them. Given that it's a very young kid...I agree, it's outlandish, but parents in the 1950s would've said that the psychological impact of spanking was relatively small as well.
>Single mother households?
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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 05:01:35 JST
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @naneko > I disagree, simply because the needle pokes happen when you're old enough to remember them
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ninja8tyu (ninja8tyu@varishangout.net)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 05:55:49 JST
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @jeffcliff honestly not sure what would've traumatized me as a kid and gave me an autism diagnosis
father was abusive and controlling while simultaneously being absent all my life, mother's a useless punching bag, both are schizos on just how intense government surveillance is in america compared to china...
vaccines never really traumatized me, i just kinda tightened my muscles and toughened it out, so it's honestly not that
dentists REALLY liked pulling out all my teeth, so probably that? anesthetic or not it still sucked and hurt when it got jammed in my gums
teachers and other students were definitely traumatic, it's pretty much the biggest proof eugenics and genocide is a moral obligation that is considered immoral, and that contradiction would drive any person into madness
also doubt i'll ever be cured of autism if it's actually PTSD, having to put up with the faggotry of humans for a living rather than tending to a farm or hunting animals is inhumane -
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naneko (naneko@varishangout.net)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 07:51:21 JST
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@jeffcliff @ceo_of_monoeye_dating I don't see how that matters for this, unless a lot of the circumcisions before 1980 were old enough. -
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naneko (naneko@varishangout.net)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 08:23:38 JST
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @jeffcliff I was talking brain damage because that is my understanding of PTSD. Lacking conscious memories can make it harder to sort out. Many of these "autistic" people probably don't even remember getting their shots as a child. A lifelong condition where the victim doesn't even know what is causing the problem, or that it is a form of PTSD at all, doesn't sound very memory dependent to me.
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Griffith (griffith@0.5dollah.click)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 11:52:41 JST 
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@CatLord @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @jeffcliff @Jens_Rasmussen it’s why I’m skeptical of vaccine autism. There’s structurally something different about the brain. It’s not a chemical imbalance, it’s not emotional or spiritual, they’re physically different. One of the signs of that is there’s no cure and it can be detected very early. There may be physiological processes which contribute to it, but from what I understand, it’s physical. May have something to do with the brain not pruning braincells, which happens normally.
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Jens_Rasmussen @jeffcliff It's not cultural man. Perhaps you have to see it. These kids have brain damage. Autism is brain damage.
I understand that my assertion is basically just that but it's intuitively very obvious that something physiological (at the base) is going on and not a conformity or behavioural warping through imitation or poor socialisation or what have you. -
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@CatLord @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Jens_Rasmussen Calling it 'damage' goes too far. These kids have brains that work differently, but they work. They are *highly optimized* for pattern detection. The meme about autists not falling for normie propaganda probably has some truth to it -- but it probably confers other advantages especially at the group level. -
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> It's just rare and gets no attention because of the medical industry being uninterested in easy cures or admitting that their own medicines are causing harm.
Altie BS. Antivax hucksters make millions off of autistic parents. The interest is there, but autism is complex, not fatal and most of our data on it is recent (1990-present) with really good data only starting with the current generation. We didn't have a fully sequenced human genome until the mid-naughts -- if there's a genetic component we wouldn't have found it and if there was an epigenetic component we *definitely* wouldn't. We're still figuring out stuff like 'what makes eyecolour happen' --- the genetic answers will come with time and research if answers are to be found there. -
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@griffith @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Jens_Rasmussen @jeffcliff The vaccination thing is done very early in development. I've posted before about low vitamin D in the mother & in the infant being causal, so there's that. It's immune/gut/brain related. It can actually be heavily alleviated/cured. It's just rare and gets no attention because of the medical industry being uninterested in easy cures or admitting that their own medicines are causing harm. -
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DM me cats :nv: (catlord@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 12:01:01 JST
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@griffith @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Jens_Rasmussen @jeffcliff I agree basically - just think it's partly caused by gut dysbiosis/ immune dysfunction during development. -
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@CatLord @griffith @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Jens_Rasmussen Again: it's not an "immune dysfunction" to produce autists. It's an "immune bonus roll" -
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Griffith (griffith@0.5dollah.click)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 12:01:02 JST
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@CatLord @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @jeffcliff @Jens_Rasmussen I'm unsure about there being a cure, just because I've never heard about it or seen it. I've heard the gut theory but never seen it work in practice. It seems related to the brain, because that's what could be influenced early in life but not be curable later.
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@jeffcliff @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Jens_Rasmussen The brain is damaged. It depends on the "type" of autism how hyperfocused the brain is. Some of them are completely dysfunctional and just bash their head against the floor because they can't think anymore. -
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@CatLord @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Jens_Rasmussen Sure, especially if they have no supports. There's a full spectrum between normie and that though and plenty of people on it -
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@jeffcliff @griffith @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Jens_Rasmussen That's nice but my claim is correct. Autism has been alleviated by various things that parents groups and such have documented. It's just not made medical practise because there's no money in cures. It's the same for vitamin D curing depression, anxiety, eating disorders, covid, autoimmune conditions, et cetera. The same for the metabolic cure for cancer. No profit in it + admission of guilt by pharmaceutical industry. -
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@CatLord @griffith @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Jens_Rasmussen > It's the same for vitamin D curing depression, anxiety, eating disorders, covid
Covid is not so easily cured. There is *no* cure for covid.
> That's nice but my claim is correct. Autism has been alleviated by various things that parents groups and such have documented.
Again: altie BS. Parents groups are notorious for convincing themselves of miracle cures.
> It's just not made medical practise because there's no money in cures.
There's plenty of money *and altie hucksters take advantage of this fact*
> The same for the metabolic cure for cancer
There is no 'cure for cancer' generally speaking - cancer is dozens of different diseases and there is no magic bullet to cure them all.
> + admission of guilt by pharmaceutical industry.
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>m sorry dude but you're actually just ignorant of some things and you need to read more
No, there isn't. You have been lied to.
> You have damaged epistemology typical of chronic liberalism.
I am not a liberal and my "epistemology" is fine. -
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@jeffcliff @griffith @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Jens_Rasmussen I'm sorry dude but you're actually just ignorant of some things and you need to read more. There is a magic bullet for cancer. It's the "cure" insofar as there is one. You have damaged epistemology typical of chronic liberalism. -
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Jeff, where are you in your reading list? -
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@PodunkPotato @jeffcliff @griffith @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @CatLord @Jens_Rasmussen he only reads Michael Crichton's Outbreak -
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@WeissenSocken88 @griffith @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @PodunkPotato @CatLord @Jens_Rasmussen I read 2 michael chricton books this year, neither of which was outbreak. https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/6472248638 https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/6868699668 -
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I like Michael Crichton as an idea guy, more than an author. Many such cases. Niven could do both. -
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@jeffcliff @griffith @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @PodunkPotato @CatLord @Jens_Rasmussen For me it's Eaters of the Dead
also for me it's Sphere -
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@CatLord @griffith @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Jens_Rasmussen FUCK YOU I AM NOT A LIBERAL -
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DM me cats :nv: (catlord@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 13:04:15 JST
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@jeffcliff @griffith @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Jens_Rasmussen I've never heard of that person and yes you are a liberal. -
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WeissenSocken88 (weissensocken88@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 13:04:23 JST
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@PodunkPotato @griffith @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @CatLord @Jens_Rasmussen @jeffcliff They made Eaters of the Dead into an Antonio Banderes movie called the thirteenth warrior
kinda ruled -
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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 13:05:36 JST
Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧
@PodunkPotato @griffith @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @CatLord @Jens_Rasmussen @WeissenSocken88 you know i wonder if i've read any niven? I think he may have been featured in L Ron Hubbard's anthology of science fiction writers. . . and also seems like the kinda author i was reading before I started keeping track of what. -
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PodunkPotato (podunkpotato@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 13:05:40 JST
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I know. I enjoyed it for what it was. Shlock. -
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@Gideon @griffith @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @CatLord @Jens_Rasmussen
> While anecdotal, I have read about doctors having success reversing autism symptoms in kids by going through a heavy metal detox program.
^ This is altie garbage and leads to children getting chelation done to them. It is child abuse. -
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Gideon (gideon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 22:47:14 JST 
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I agree with you. I believe the "vaccines cause autism" is missing the mark, but not by much. In my view, it would be more accurate to state "heavy metal poisoning" causes neurological damage (autism). The metals we acquired from the environment, food, medicines, and vaccines. Baby food/formula has been tested with very high levels of lead, mercury, arsenic, etc. Especially imported food from China and India. So if a 2 year old has been fed a steady diet of these prepackaged rice meal smoothies, applesauce, etc., then gets pumped full of metals at vaccination time, it could simply be the straw that broke the camels back.
While anecdotal, I have read about doctors having success reversing autism symptoms in kids by going through a heavy metal detox program.
To my knowledge, all of the safety tests for vaccines are done in isolation, and never examine the total cumulative vaccine adjuvant load on a child, let alone the huge environmental variables. I've only seen that calculated by the vaccine skeptic side, and it didn't look good. -
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PodunkPotato (podunkpotato@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 22:47:24 JST
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He wrote Ring World and N-World, but the stuff he did with Pournelle like Mote in God's Eye where they spun off each other is probably the best. -
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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧
@PodunkPotato @griffith @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @CatLord @Jens_Rasmussen @WeissenSocken88 > like Mote in God's Eye
i knew i've read something he wrote! For some reason i didn't have him tagged on that -
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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 22:58:00 JST
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@CatLord @griffith @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Gideon @Jens_Rasmussen What tracks is you believing bullshit from antivaxxers who abuse children with the excuses given in this thread -
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DM me cats :nv: (catlord@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 22:58:01 JST
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@Gideon @griffith @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Jens_Rasmussen @jeffcliff I agree with everything you said there. The difference between one kid who gets autistic and another who doesn't is probably immune/dysbiosis related. Dysbiosis is now getting much attention for heavy metal retention and such so it tracks. -
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Protoss (cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 23:04:31 JST 
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@CatLord @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Jens_Rasmussen @jeffcliff autism is perfection, neurotypicals are brain damaged -
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tsoifan1997 (sysrq@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 23:06:27 JST 
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@Cyrillic @CatLord @Jens_Rasmussen @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @jeffcliff
:facesofautism: SPERG MASTER RACE, GAS THE NORMGROIDS :facesofautism2: -
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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 23:06:27 JST
Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧
@sysrq @Cyrillic @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @CatLord @Jens_Rasmussen on the chance that i'm not autistic you're going on mute -
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Gideon (gideon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 23:10:54 JST
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I'm sure the parents of these children who got better are deeply interested in what you have to say...which isn't much. -
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@Gideon @griffith @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @CatLord @Jens_Rasmussen "got better" -
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DM me cats :nv: (catlord@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 23:38:21 JST
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@jeffcliff @griffith @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Gideon @Jens_Rasmussen i'd never even heard of the bloke you mentioned though, and i haven't excused anything so idk what you mean -
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Gideon (gideon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 23:38:44 JST
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Haha, I love it. Only shitlibs create a fictional dragon in their minds so they can rhetorically slay it.
Should I post the list of herbs/foods that naturally chelate metals for posterity?
I do want to thank you though for this awesome display of arrogance and condescension. It's this same attitude by allopathic doctors that turn parents to alternative treatments in the first place. Job well done. -
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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧
@Gideon @griffith @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @CatLord @Jens_Rasmussen It's not fictional. There are dead children from this bullshit. -
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DM me cats :nv: (catlord@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 23:44:59 JST
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@jeffcliff @Gideon @griffith @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Jens_Rasmussen The only injuries I've heard about are from synthetic sulphur compounds - not foods and herbs lol. -
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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧
@CatLord @griffith @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Gideon @Jens_Rasmussen you mean the herbs that are totally unregulated and have been caught having heavy metals in them?? -
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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧
@Gideon @griffith @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @CatLord @Jens_Rasmussen @gorskon has provided plenty. This isn't some kind of 'its up for debate' thing. Chelation kills children right up there with not giving DPT / MMR -
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Gideon (gideon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 23:47:11 JST
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Shitlib: Emotional plea for the children. Provides no evidence to disprove.
You follow every predictable script as well. -
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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 23:52:12 JST
Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧
@Deplorable_Degenerate @griffith @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Gideon @CatLord @Jens_Rasmussen If y'all get rid of the FDA you really *will* have to worry about your oregano -
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Deplorable Degenerate (deplorable_degenerate@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 23:52:13 JST 
Deplorable Degenerate
Sorry you heard him stop putting oregano in your food.
Though on a serious note a lot of this shit comes from China and they don't give the faintest of fucks. But medical and culinary stuff.
Which is what makes the negroes dumping whole bottles of Lawry's into their food funny and awful. There's lead in that shit. -
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DM me cats :nv: (catlord@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 23:52:14 JST
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@jeffcliff @griffith @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Gideon @Jens_Rasmussen what are you talking about dude -
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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 23:55:17 JST
Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧
@Gideon @griffith @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @CatLord @Jens_Rasmussen
You are spouting antivax BS to the wrong guy. -
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Gideon (gideon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 23:55:18 JST
Gideon
Yep, just as I stated in my original post. Seems we agree that importing foods and herbs from China is having deleterious consequences on our bodies.
Oh yeah, where are most ingredients made for vaccines and medications?
"While the Department of Defense only purchases a small quantity of finished pharmaceuticals from China, about 80 percent of the active pharmaceutical ingredients (APIs) used to make drugs in the United States are said to come from China and other countries like India."
https://www.cfr.org/blog/us-dependence-pharmaceutical-products-china -
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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧
@Deplorable_Degenerate @griffith @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Gideon @CatLord @Jens_Rasmussen Dead wrong. -
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Deplorable Degenerate (deplorable_degenerate@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Dec-2024 23:55:49 JST
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We already do because the fda doesn't do shit. -
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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧
@Gideon @griffith @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @CatLord @Jens_Rasmussen :KysRope: -
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Gideon (gideon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 00:05:17 JST
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So you DON'T want safe ingredients in our vaccines and medications then? Typical. -
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Gideon (gideon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 00:29:46 JST
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I will accept that as your admission of defeat. Better luck next time. -
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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧
@Gideon @griffith @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @CatLord @Jens_Rasmussen Defeat for what, not putting up with you promoting the abuse of children (chelation)? -
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@Mamako @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @CatLord @Jens_Rasmussen https://www.autismspeaks.org/science-news/tylenol-and-autism -
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Mamako (mamako@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 02:23:26 JST 
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @CatLord @Jens_Rasmussen @jeffcliff Tylenol causes autism in the womb
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