@Xenophon@Frondeur@matty He has like 40 videos doing the same with Hershey bar vs silver bar (where he only showed the clips of people taking the chocolate)
The best tactic the enemy has employed is convincing everyone that the guy by their side is a bad actor. They don't have to do much beyond that. Give everyone cold feet and suddenly you've kneecapped the resistance.
@matty@BattleDwarfGimli@RadixVerum@jb I think it is irresponsible to assume that any kind of resistance org hasn't been infiltrated by feds. That said, we won't win the upcoming war without organizing. The feds know this and love that even the threat of their presence in these types of important organizations dissuades involvement of people like me who would very much want to be a part of an organization of action. It's a real double edged blade.
I understand that. I am just confused as to why people continue to hamstring themselves in terms of activism. >Patriot Front has to have feds in it >okay how >because it's a sizable organization >okay, where are the feds >they just have to be in there
I feel like it's the baseline response to everything that anyone tries to do, because it's the safest assumption and means you don't have to get off the couch or support a cause. I am sure he doesn't mean it like that but it's reminiscent of boomer takes which get under my skin like nothing else.
The difference is that the group has managed to maintain some integrity and is having an effect on the powers that be in the form of intimidation. Somebody in charge is afraid of this group. The big tell here that the feds don't have total control is that the group has never done a terrorizums. Otherwise, @RadixVerum would already own the film rights and be working on the sequel.
Personal assessment: the idea is legit and many members are legit, but there is no way they are not monitored by and infiltrated by FBI Special Agents Frick and Frack. The signal to noise on this is too strong - "thou doth protest overmuch", which tells me somebody(s) in power are intimidated by the group.
I also know of a case where a porn addict downloaded massive compilations of porn, unware that CP was included in it. His girlfriend discovered the CP and reported him to the authorities. However, it was later determined that he was sincerely not a pedophile, merely suffering from porn addiction that plagues so many men today, and had never intented to download CP.
And like I said the government or affiliated organizations have attempted to place CP on dissidents before, dissidents with a much greater capacity to defend themselves in court than some homeless twenty-something "neo-Nazi" disowned by his own family. It would not be difficult for the government to do so and who would take the time and the financial and reputational hit to try and prove the government's meddling in this particular case?
He's probably guilty, I'm not saying your next endeavor should be to bail him out of prison, but I personally am not 100% convinced of the story.
What could have happened is the two of them had a relationship for a time, with him being unware of her age. When he was doxed at the Coeur d'Alene protest, she freaked out at having being dating an evil Nazi. She then went to the authorities, perhaps out of fear for associating with a notorious right-wing insurrectionist.
The feds then simply looked through his phone and found the sexual images he exchanged with the girl he thought was of age.
When someone who is problematic for the regime ends up convicted for an extreme act like terrorism or pedophilia, I get suspicious.
The Order was a legitimate right-wing terror group that robbed banks and murdered a radio-host, but then there's people like Randy Weaver and the Branch Davidians who may have been eccentric but were no terrorists, despite how the media portrayed them.
So you say, be careful of defending potential child abusers, but that's precisely why I have my doubts. I can say from my personal experience I knew a childhood friend who was accused of rape that I was convinced was guilty, but he ended up being innocent and once the whole story came out I was embarrassed for having jumped to conclusions.
I was skeptical of the Whitmer case, it's why I reported on it and I have covered evidence of the entrapment and framing. I have seen zero evidence to suggest this is somehow illegitimate. I don't see how this random kid from PF was a threat to the regime enough for them to cook that up. If they did cook up a fake charge why not something that would get him significant jail time? Also what about the 16 year old - you concede she exists you just argue he may not have been aware of her age (that doesn't take into consideration the other images). I understand there any many instances of fake accusations - I covered the Johnny Depp case and many others. But it's also true pedos do exist and they are more common than people would like to believe.
So you're making a lot of assumptions here. Drake Bell was abused and often victims of abuse go on to become abusers themselves. But in the Drake Bell situation, I'm pretty he actually addressed it himself.
Why would the PF guy get the same treatment? You're making a lot of assumptions and starting with a lot of presuppositions. Have you made an analysis of the court record in the case? If not, I wouldn't speculate about him being innocent when you don't know. He could have had disgusting images on his phone of very young kids. If he really is guilty, you could be defending a predator based on only your skepticism, not on evidence to the contrary which we have for example with the Whitmer case.
He did plead guilty so that's what I'm going on, unless or until the record can be corrected. Have you looked into it in any detail? It's possible, but this isn't a situation where a woman is making an allegation - there was evidence from his phone according to law enforcement. That's not the same as a fake rape accusation. There was also the images on his devices of children being sexually abused. Do you believe that evidence wasn't real? If it was faked, why do you think they would target that one guy specifically out of the group that was arrested initially?
PF was protesting the sexualization of children - drag queen story hour - it's not out of the realm of consideration that a child predator might join the group and attend protests against grooming to try to deflect any suspicions about his own predilections and behaviors, right?
>In June, the "Drake and Josh" actor was charged with disseminating harmful matter to juveniles and attempted child endangerment. In court, the victim, now 19, said Bell exchanged explicit photos online and engaged in sexual conduct with her on several occasions, including at a 2017 concert venue in Cleveland and at a hotel.
>In the video, Bell acknowledged his interactions were "reckless and irresponsible," but he claimed he was "unaware" of her age and only communicated with her via text messages — without any physical contact.
Drake Bell also knows about the rampant child abuse in Hollywood and spoke of it on "All Quiet on the Set," so it seems like this situation was exacerbated to ruin his credibility.
So the alternative hypothesis I have concerning the PF guy is he got involved with a girl who he was unaware was underage and foolishly sent her dick picks. She then sent him pictures of herself which is what the government is categorizing as "child abuse material".
This is a red flag to me as I have come across all sorts of bunk charges relating to situations like this. Back in my libertarian days a reoccurring issue that I kept coming across was false rape accusations on campus. Then there was that Cody Wilson fellow that got caught with an underage girl...despite her claiming to be of age...similar to what happened with Drake Bell...and Millenial Woes had a false rape accusation as well.
I think this PF fellow was the same one who got kicked out of his mom's house when she found out about his involvement with the organization.
So I'm not saying he's for sure not a pedo, but I am saying I am highly suspicious of the official story.
People say PF has integrity but does anybody remember the Unicorn Riot leak of their entire communication log catalogue because they were dumb enough not to set their communications to self-delete or police who had access to their chats? Within those communications they are actively coordinating with each other across the country to commit vandalism and destruction of property. Yes they are being sued in one state for this coordinated vandalism by a kike lawyer group after they defaced a nigger lives matter mural.
@CrustalRidge7@matty@BattleDwarfGimli@RadixVerum@bobbala@jb If I recall this was specific to one particular chapter and PF tightened up their security considerably afterwards. It also took place years ago if I remember correctly, 4-5 years ago, and I haven't heard of anything similar occurring again.
Rather, the government failed to get charges to stick at Coeur d'Alene and have had to resort to naked force with the recent arrest of Tom Rousseau on bullshit charges from Jan 6th.
That speaks to a government that has nothing on PF, if they have to resort to such strong-arm tactics.
Analysis Paralysis has been the most effective weapon deployed by the feds so far in this war. It has locked us up so badly that they are able to do pretty much whatever they want, whenever they want, with our only reaction being to discuss it at length, and what the ramifications of all the things would be, if we did anything at all, which we never do.
Unfortunately we are far too behind on organizing and developing game plans. The brainwash is ridiculous right now, and any "big things" just make "us" look like the bad guys. This is why I prefer to toe the line of being an optics cuck. We need to be smart and convince people what's going on. Hearts and minds and all that shit. It's not even hard. People can't buy shit anymore. Their children are being groomed in school. I don't think it's that complicated - we just need to show them they are not alone in their anger.
Building a Parallel Economy ™ is what I'd like to participate in. People would be a lot more willing to get involved if they had a financial safety net. Accelerationism can be applied to this war effectively, if you do it right. People who decide to snap and go full silly do nothing but harm every bit of work anyone with good intentions has tried. It is stupid and selfish.
Well, I refuse to be afraid of everything anymore. Whatever happens happens, but I refuse to stand idly by and let those who wield the power intimidate me. I've resigned myself to fighting for good in the face of pure evil. :02shrug:
That being said the goal may not be setting them up in a big hoax type thing. It could simply be monitoring and surveillaning the members and their communications.
Sure, that's always a possibility. But as far as I know, their activism is public outreach and that alone. They were in East Palestine after our beloved government told the residents to fuck themselves. I know the bar for "terrorism" when it comes to White men is very low and I believe they are well aware of that and avoid anything too spicy for that purpose. I have zero reason to believe they are bad actors, and as such I support them unapologetically.
I basically just said as much lol. They just march around and then do the charity work. There isn't much to set them up on except the "conspiracy to riot" stuff they already tried.
It doesn't have to be actual "feds" infiltrating. They can just approach someone already in there and ask them to become an informant. Now depending on what they do as far as activism goes (I'm not really sure besides march around) there may not be much to "inform" on. Also, as far as entrapment goes it's a lot harder if your targets are informed on those tactics.
@RadixVerum@BattleDwarfGimli@CrustalRidge7@bobbala@jb@matty I'll say in conclusion that something about this story doesn't feel right to me. It might be that he isn't really a pedo, it could be that he IS a pedo and was placed in PF to discredit them, it is probably neither of the two, but I can't help feeling there is more to this story that is being presented here.