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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 21:38:36 JST 
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unsurprisingly an imported CEO with 0 knowledge of a complex engineered product doesn't like having people around that tell him he's wrong -
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Escoffier Gab refugee (escoffier@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 22:32:21 JST 
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@Vulpes_Quartus @teknomunk @sickburnbro I helped open a place for a younger chef and me (48) and another gentleman (50) were vying for the sous position. The subject of the mother sauces came up. About twenty minutes later we caught the "chef" googling them. Hmph. -
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 22:32:21 JST
Bread up, Bro
@Escoffier @Vulpes_Quartus @teknomunk at least he was willing to learn? -
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Vulpes_Quartus (vulpes_quartus@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 22:32:22 JST 
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hearing a senior net engineer called a VP an idiot and telling him "you don't know what the hell you're talking about" is still one of the highlights of my career. -
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teknomunk (teknomunk@apogee.polaris-1.work)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 22:32:24 JST 
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@sickburnbro
Unsurprisingly for anyone who works in engieering, "making certain the thing works before it ships" often requires being an asshole to get people to actually do their jobs properly and on time. -
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 22:34:38 JST
Bread up, Bro
@Appelmoesje @teknomunk and this is ok. Because this is how you make sure that people aren't dragging their ass - by making deadlines. -
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AppeL (appelmoesje@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 22:34:42 JST 
AppeL
@teknomunk @sickburnbro >Unsurprisingly for anyone who works in engieering, "making certain the thing works before it ships" often requires being an asshole to get people to actually do their jobs properly and on time.
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 22:38:47 JST
Bread up, Bro
@Escoffier @Vulpes_Quartus @teknomunk counterpoint: Julia Child learned from culinary school. -
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Escoffier Gab refugee (escoffier@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 22:38:48 JST
Escoffier Gab refugee
@sickburnbro @Vulpes_Quartus @teknomunk Ugh ptooie! Motherfucker paid big $$$ to apparently not learn. I learned for free in kitchens. I'm not a big fan of culinary school. It's a solution in search of the problem. -
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zerosum (zerosum@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 22:41:40 JST 
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@Escoffier @Vulpes_Quartus @teknomunk @sickburnbro shit how to spell beschamel? -
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 22:41:40 JST
Bread up, Bro
@zerosum @Escoffier @Vulpes_Quartus @teknomunk easier than making it -
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 22:45:57 JST
Bread up, Bro
@Escoffier @Vulpes_Quartus @teknomunk for sure, but she certainly learned from the school.
Some people just don't do well in school settings, and that's fine, but that alone doesn't make it bad. Many people will choke without enough guidance when they will be fine once they have enough experience.
So what I'm saying is the mark of a great chef shouldn't be if they went to culinary school, but simply their results. -
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Escoffier Gab refugee (escoffier@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 22:45:58 JST
Escoffier Gab refugee
@sickburnbro @Vulpes_Quartus @teknomunk Nice lady but not a pro. -
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AppeL (appelmoesje@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 23:12:06 JST
AppeL
@teknomunk @sickburnbro As an engineer, everyone around me only tells me what i did wrong.
I once smiled when a client told me about a mistake i made.. He told me not to laugh and that he was serious.. i told him you have no idea how much i did right if you only find one mistake.. idiot.Bread up, Bro likes this. -
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teknomunk (teknomunk@apogee.polaris-1.work)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 23:12:07 JST
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@sickburnbro @Appelmoesje
More important than making deadlines is meeting deadlines. "Being nice" to people who are running behind doesn't meet deadlines. -
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 23:14:43 JST
Bread up, Bro
@Appelmoesje @teknomunk a lot of people don't understand QA, mistakes are the norm and the goal is to just keep them under control. -
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 23:19:42 JST
Bread up, Bro
@Appelmoesje @teknomunk well, I'm sure you have things you know to check due to having mistakes in the past. -
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AppeL (appelmoesje@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 23:19:43 JST
AppeL
@sickburnbro @teknomunk Yeah.. except I engineer aluminum panel facades of towers 50-200m high, solo engineer, no extra pair of eyes. no check ups. Just make sure all fits and stays up there....lol -
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Escoffier Gab refugee (escoffier@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 23:22:43 JST
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@sickburnbro @Vulpes_Quartus @teknomunk So for an industry perspective of someone who spent decades in the business and predate culinary school?
It was an HR driven phenomenon. No chef in his right mind ever said " hey can you put my line cooks in debt and make them think they're chefs when they are really apprentices?"
Also I would personally much rather train a dishwasher who has some hustle how to cook. I'm a cook/chef that's part of my jib and I'm good at it.
Finally back in the day people would just work in kitchens s and if they liked it they would stick with it. Today, having never worked in a kitchen they will drop $35,000 to ultimately learn they have no business working in a kitchen.
Long story longer culinary school is a scam perpetrated by the education cartel who smelled millions of dollars they could extract from unwitting victimsBread up, Bro likes this. -
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 23:24:06 JST
Bread up, Bro
@Escoffier @Vulpes_Quartus @teknomunk Yes, we have an overeducation crisis for sure in all fields. Continuing Ed in particular is just pathetic and a stupid law idea that has just turned into a never-ending grift. -
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AppeL (appelmoesje@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 23:24:16 JST
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@sickburnbro @teknomunk No panels came of my buildings, none of the buildings for 15y now.
But there are some fellow engineers here who can't say the same.Bread up, Bro likes this. -
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 23:24:26 JST
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@Appelmoesje @teknomunk then I guess your QA works -
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 23:30:15 JST
Bread up, Bro
@patris @Escoffier @Vulpes_Quartus @teknomunk well, in medicine you do have to do a paid internship: "residency"- there are even hospitals called "teaching hospitals" -
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Jimmy (patris@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 23:30:20 JST 
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@Escoffier @sickburnbro @Vulpes_Quartus @teknomunk Nailed it. Almost 100% of degrees people get in order to start a specific job are this. It's a cancer. Even in professions like welding, engineering, and medicine, everything would be better for everyone involved if degree followed schooling (run by industry people, not a university), which followed a year or two of paid apprenticeship. References needed to proceed to the next step. -
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Vulpes_Quartus (vulpes_quartus@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 23:40:57 JST
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I have a lot of feelings on residents, as an outsider that's around medicine. I would call most of them filler labor so attendings can take vacations and get extra pay for teaching Bread up, Bro likes this. -
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 23:41:13 JST
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@Vulpes_Quartus @teknomunk @Escoffier @patris for sure, it's not a system without abuses. -
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skylar :confederateflag:??? :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 23:51:08 JST 
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@professionalbigot69 @teknomunk @Appelmoesje @sickburnbro hey i have an idea let's pay a consulting company 3.7 million dollars to implement a system of metrics so the manager at our head office 2500 miles away from the plant can simply look at the computer to see who he should fire for being a bad employee
see that guy who's been here for 25 years, shows the new guys how to do things, takes time out of his day to grease and change the filters on machines, and makes sure all the tools get cleaned up, sharpened, and put away at the end of shift? his widget output is 2 lower than average so the computer says to fire him.Bread up, Bro likes this. -
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Ulysses (professionalbigot69@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 23:51:09 JST 
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@skylar @teknomunk @Appelmoesje @sickburnbro MBA beancounting minmaxers need to be beaten with sticks and stones for having learned nothing from the 70s, let alone '20-'22 Bread up, Bro likes this. -
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skylar :confederateflag:??? :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 23:51:10 JST
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@teknomunk @Appelmoesje @sickburnbro sorry deadline machine is permanently broke
we've helpfully hired a dipshit for the office who'd rather shoot himself in the cock and balls than consider the possibility of ordering more materials than are immediately needed
we've also hired a second dipshit to manage scheduling who will only ever run a skeleton crew to keep the place barely afloat assuming nobody will EVER get sick or use a vacation dayBread up, Bro likes this. -
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 23:51:29 JST
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@skylar @professionalbigot69 @teknomunk @Appelmoesje indeed. very stupid. -
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 23:53:56 JST
Bread up, Bro
@professionalbigot69 @skylar @teknomunk @Appelmoesje lets be honest. All they are is idiots that know how to use a tiny amount of statistics and think they're hot shit for it.
Just like moneyball, you can sometimes find a way to optimize that no-one knew, but the other 95% of the time, all you're going to do is put junk data into a system and cut your nuts off. -
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 23:54:22 JST
Bread up, Bro
@Vulpes_Quartus @Seattle_Guy @teknomunk @Escoffier do you get to cook using a M1911? -
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Vulpes_Quartus (vulpes_quartus@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 23:54:23 JST
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one of my friends from childhood ended up in the army as a cook, got sent to culinary school, and ended up on the army culinary team. -
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Seattle_Guy (seattle_guy@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 23:54:26 JST 
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@Escoffier @sickburnbro @Vulpes_Quartus @teknomunk Maybe it would have value if it was like the military where you could be an apprentice and then, if you liked it and were good at it, you could go to school. Otoh, not my bag. It might be that apprenticing to a good chef is better. I defer to your judgement. -
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 23:55:21 JST
Bread up, Bro
@teknomunk @Appelmoesje well, you can also make impossible deadlines. -
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RaHoWaJoe (rahowajoe@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 23:55:38 JST 
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@sickburnbro Some years ago, there was a documentary about the American railroad system's history.
There was a portion where their mentioned that train cars were coupled by hand in a dangerous process that would maim or kill rail workers. An automatic coupler was created, but the rail companies never implemented it for years because it was far cheaper to let rail workers keep getting killed and crippled.
This should sound very similar to what's going on here.Bread up, Bro likes this. -
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 23:58:47 JST
Bread up, Bro
@professionalbigot69 @skylar @teknomunk @Appelmoesje the hardest and most subtle thing about statistics is how convincingly wrong they can be. -
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Ulysses (professionalbigot69@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Apr-2024 23:58:48 JST
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@sickburnbro @skylar @teknomunk @Appelmoesje yeah, they're hot shit alright (been out in the sun all day) -
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nobullyplz :antibully: (nobullyplz@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Apr-2024 00:42:05 JST 
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@Escoffier @sickburnbro @Vulpes_Quartus @teknomunk Going on the custom frame order :naruhodonotes: Bread up, Bro likes this. -
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Escoffier Gab refugee (escoffier@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Apr-2024 00:42:17 JST
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@Seattle_Guy @sickburnbro @Vulpes_Quartus @teknomunk That's basically how it used to work. You worked in kitchens in high school and if you smoked enough dope, erm, I mean if you liked it you'd just stick with and naturally work in better restaurants. That's how it worked for me. The thing you really miss out on in the school system is learning the meat and potatoes of the business. Bread up, Bro likes this. -
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Escoffier Gab refugee (escoffier@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Apr-2024 00:42:28 JST
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@patris @sickburnbro @Vulpes_Quartus @teknomunk Exactly right. It boggles my mind when people tell me I'm not a "real" chef because I didn't go to school? Like nigga I cooked for kings and presidents. Bread up, Bro likes this. -
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Jimmy (patris@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Apr-2024 00:42:29 JST
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@sickburnbro @Escoffier @Vulpes_Quartus @teknomunk Yeah, I know. I'm suggesting that if you want to be a doctor, you do a year sweeping up, emptying bedpans, handing people stuff, etc. Then if you still want in, and if you get good referrals, you start school.
Being a stoolie let's a young man make some cash while getting to the point where he can make an informed decision about what he wants to do. It gives you perspective. It also gives you a chance to wash out with dignity and without a lot invested. If you hate the field, or if the field hates you, you walk away and try something else. You can do this multiple times before you are 20. No harm, no foul. No debt.
From the perspective of the professional, getting to filter people early is extremely valuable. For a dozen reasons. Plus, you get somebody who has a good attitude sweeping up and handing you things. Can't buy that with h1b wages, but you can get it for very little pay if you hire 17 year old energetic young white men who are motivated by seeing the menial as the first rung of the ladder. -
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BattleDwarfGimli (battledwarfgimli@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Apr-2024 00:56:38 JST 
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Until the early 90s, a chef was a cook who showed talent and made it up the ranks under the tutelage/patronage of a real chef.
That new chef, having paid his dues/made his bones for years - sometimes decades - would then be sent to "finishing school", like Escoffier, or Culinary Institute, to learn the economics and management side of things, and how to properly maintain the infrastructure of a full kitchen.
There was no such thing as a 22-year old "chef". That was not a thing. You're a fuckin' cook. Get over yourself. I am a damn fine cook and I will jokingly call myself a chef, but I know better. I've worked for real, serious chefs.
Gordon Ramsey is entertaining, but he should be stoned to death by actual chefs, for Hells Kitchen, and Master Chef.Bread up, Bro likes this. -
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Apr-2024 00:59:55 JST
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@BattleDwarfGimli @Escoffier @teknomunk @Vulpes_Quartus I don't hate Ramsey, I think a lot of his "fixing restaurant" shows give a real good picture of just how hard it is to run a restaurant. It's cleaning, cleaning, cleaning. -
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Summertime for Zeon (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Apr-2024 01:00:06 JST 
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@teknomunk @sickburnbro IME the only way you get execs to listen to you is by creating an alliance with warranty dept. Combine messaging and hammer in the same points on both fronts, and they might start listening the next time around.
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BattleDwarfGimli (battledwarfgimli@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Apr-2024 01:14:40 JST
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I don't hate him either. I said I find him entertaining. And, you are correct on all points. But, HK and MC give people the impression they can become chefs just by completing a series of challenges, and then abracadabra, they get six figures and a prestigious restaurant, at the age of 23 or so. I'm in my 50s now, and I've been cooking since 1988. I just now feel I have enough knowledge to run a kitchen myself - because I've worked in real, serious kitchens. Bread up, Bro likes this. -
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AlabasterBrick ?☠️ (alabasterbrick@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Apr-2024 01:14:40 JST 
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Its nice having other senior citizens on the Crew, bro. ☕️ -
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Apr-2024 01:14:41 JST
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@BattleDwarfGimli @teknomunk @Vulpes_Quartus @Escoffier indeed, MC makes being a chef seem very sexy, but I kind of feel like in the heyday of Michelin stars in France one could have gotten a similar idea. -
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Summertime for Zeon (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Apr-2024 01:30:35 JST
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@Escoffier @sickburnbro @Vulpes_Quartus @teknomunk I've flipped back and forth on how useful education is in all the industries I've been in, and by now I've come to the decidedly noble-minded idea that It's all dependent upon the stock you're starting with.
Some men just 'got it', they're smart, apt, mentally astute and drink up knowledge in a way that combines it to their mental constellation of understanding that actually maps to reality. They can extrapolate trends and foresee issues in the moment they begin to germinate.
I now doubt you can really teach that in any capacity. They're either born with the noble blood required, allowing them to build experience on that foundation, or they're not, and they'll only at best be a useful drone. Educated kids are often this type, great on rote memory, fine for being automatons, but very poor in thinking on their feet and working outside the narrowly defined range they were taught in school.
It's almost depressing. The student stock our industry is getting now is.....bleak.
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Twoinchdestroya (twoinchdestroya@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Apr-2024 04:57:15 JST 
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@Vulpes_Quartus @teknomunk @sickburnbro Senior Engineer/Quality Assurance Manager I worked with taught me that bosses don't know shit and your job as a good engineer is to tell them "No, not happening" or "That's stupid".
Which I have done multiple time to my project manager and CEO at the time. Saved our asses from getting sued big time by the FDA.Bread up, Bro likes this.
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