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Godcast (the short half) (godcast@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 21:15:54 JST 
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Wonderful, another CI retard who can't back up any of what he says and whose entire belief system sprang out of the ether in the 30's.
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 21:15:51 JST 
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@Xenophon @Godcast Xeno, he is not a "dumb faggot" even if you disagree with him. Show with words instead of autistically screeching. -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 21:15:53 JST 
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I can back it all up, you dumb faggot.
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 21:22:12 JST
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@Xenophon @Godcast @norsebaptist If you believe the lineages in the gospel, they are not a cursed people by blood alone. -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 21:22:13 JST
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From the lake of fire. Can a moabite believe in Jesus and be saved? -
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NorseBaptist (norsebaptist@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 21:22:14 JST 
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@Xenophon @Godcast Saved from what or from whom? -
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NorseBaptist (norsebaptist@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 21:22:15 JST
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@Godcast @Xenophon CI is one hell of a schizo post. Just as other cults do schizo posting to rationalize weird sex shit, CI is trying to rationalize the gas chambers.
My guys, just take a deep breath and meditate on Revelations. Jesus will spill literal rivers of blood when he returns, but that wrath is not our burden to carry.
My advice to ci guys is to take chill pill, find a nice pair of tits to settle down with and raise heirs. The literal pinnacle of masculine achievement is to raise heirs who will maintain or expand your piece of the empire after you are gone.
CI is not wrong that American Exceptionalism is an exclusively white protestant ideology, but AE is not a requirement of salvific faith. -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 21:22:15 JST
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Can an edomite be saved? -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 21:26:12 JST
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@Xenophon @Godcast @norsebaptist King David's great great grandmother was Ruth, a Moabite. Would Samuel have anointed him with God's blessings of he was not called by God to be their king? Is not Christ his descendant through Mary, by his son Nathan? -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 21:26:13 JST
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Moabites and canaanites are. And esav took wives of canaan. This is easy to demonstrate in genesis. -
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Godcast (the short half) (godcast@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 21:43:27 JST
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@Xenophon @BowsacNoodle @norsebaptist And yet Ruth, a moabitess, entered the assembly of God. It's about believing loyalty, not genetic heritage. BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 21:43:28 JST
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You think God broke His own law, like the jews do? You think king David broke the law? You think he, amd ultimately Jesus, descend from incest?
Deuteronomy 23:3
“No Ammonite or Moabite shall enter the assembly of the Lord; even to the tenth generation none belonging to them shall enter the assembly of the Lord for ever;
Ezra 9:1
The people of Israel and the priests and the Levites have not separated themselves from the peoples of the lands with their abominations, from the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Per′izzites, the Jeb′usites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the Amorites. 2 For they have taken some of their daughters to be wives for themselves and for their sons; so that the holy race has mixed itself with the peoples of the lands -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 21:49:10 JST
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@Xenophon @Godcast @givenup @norsebaptist If you’re a young earth guy, everyone is. I think Jonah is a more appropriate commentary for this situation than a law book. Jonah 4 (NKJV)
1Jonah, however, was greatly displeased, and he became angry. 2 So he prayed to the LORD, saying, “O LORD, is this not what I said while I was still in my own country? This is why I was so quick to flee toward Tarshish. I knew that You are a gracious and compassionate God, slow to anger, abounding in loving devotion—One who relents from sending disaster. 3And now, O LORD, please take my life from me, for it is better for me to die than to live.” 4 But the LORD replied, “Have you any right to be angry?”… 11 So should I not care about the great city of Nineveh, which has more than 120,000 people who cannot tell their right hand from their left, and many cattle as well?”
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 21:49:11 JST
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Wht does one have to do with the other? Noah was a drunk. They were all flawed as all humans are. 5ye flaw of a moabite, canaanite, perezzite, etc was not of character but of blood. They were all the product of incest. -
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givenup (givenup@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 21:49:12 JST 
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@Xenophon @BowsacNoodle @Godcast @norsebaptist David was an adulterer you'll notice multiple times in the bible someone's faith in God and his promises is accounted as righteousness -
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givenup (givenup@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 21:49:29 JST
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@Xenophon @BowsacNoodle @Godcast @norsebaptist You asked " you think. David broke the law" yes he did and was still called a righteous king by God what does that mean, it means God cares about your faith God called Job righteous for his faith and he wasn't even descended from Abraham to think salvation is limited genetically is something the jews are caught up in it's not what the entire Bible lays out, "none come to the father except through me" - Jesus BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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NorseBaptist (norsebaptist@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 21:50:27 JST
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@Xenophon @Godcast @BowsacNoodle 10/10 on the schizo post, 1/10 on the execution. When am I going to start seeing CI martyrs going to jail or being executed for doing the Lord‘s work of exterminating brown people. Time to nut up or shut up faggot.
At least I have sons and a warm pair of tits waiting for me at home.BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 21:50:28 JST
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Thank you for telling me your religion is made up and you dont trust the word of God. That you think He is a liar and His word means nothing. -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 21:50:35 JST
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>Lord‘s work of exterminating brown people.
Well thats not actually in the bible.BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 21:54:23 JST
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@Xenophon @Godcast @givenup @norsebaptist It literally says this in the NT as tied to the OT. Which part do you think is false? That Ruth was a Moabite? -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 21:54:24 JST
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I said do you think God broke His own law. The David part refers to the previous part, as in did He break His law through David, and ultimately Jesus.
That verse makes it impossible for a biological Moabite to ever he part of the peopld of Israel, and Godcast thinks Gpd let one be king amd let Jesus come from his seed. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 22:06:06 JST
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@Xenophon @Godcast @givenup @norsebaptist To clarify, which is more likely: that we're (including you) misinterpreting God's law, or that God broke His own law? Obviously the former. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 22:14:47 JST
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@Xenophon @Godcast @givenup @norsebaptist >The mosaic covenant is the entire point of the OT.
I don't think so. The entire point of the OT is Christ, hence why he's a fulfilment not abolishment of the law (His word, mind you). From the point of Abraham preparing to sacrifice Isaac, we see the entire foreshadowing of Christ and faith as the core principal. Even before that, truly, but that's the clearest direct connection. -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 22:14:49 JST
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I am not a young earth guy, and its the type of incest. Canaan, Moab, and Benammi were all the product of parent/child incest.
11 And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them
I disagree 9n Jonah. The mosaic covenant is the entire point of the OT. God punished the children of Israel for failure to keep the law. He redeemed th through the law. While His desth freed us from the law, they were nevertheless bound to it. If ruth were a moabite, the moment sue entered the congregation of Israel, she should have been cast out with her husband. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 22:17:01 JST
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@Xenophon @Godcast @norsebaptist Serpent Sneed (formerly Chuck's). -
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Godcast (the short half) (godcast@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 22:17:02 JST
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@Xenophon @norsebaptist @BowsacNoodle You believe brown people are the offspring of Satan, and the offspring of demons are to be exterminated, just as the nephilim were. Why aren't you doing "God's work"? -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 22:17:02 JST
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I do not believe brown people are the offspring of satan. This is a ridiculous claim. Satan means "the adversary", which im sure you know. Both God in Gen 3, amd Jesus 3 times in matthrlew, a frlew times in Mark and Luke, as well as notably in John 8, call certain Judeans the offspring of Satan. Paul also repeats in. But those people are jot brpwn, and nowhere am I commanded to kill them. In fact quite the opposite.
>29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
>30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
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Godcast (the short half) (godcast@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 22:18:06 JST
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@Xenophon @givenup @BowsacNoodle @norsebaptist Find me the scripture reference when God abrogates Jesus's command to make disciples of all nations. BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 22:32:27 JST
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@Xenophon @Godcast @givenup @norsebaptist Maybe it meant 10 generations from that particular time. Maybe when God directly interjects, they call an audible. We know how stiff-necked the Israelites were, and I bet you there was at least one guy who said
>Look, I know he killed a literal giant ogreman who was scaring our greatest warriors with a rock via DIVINE INTERVENTION, and I know that he was directly anointed by God's own prophet Samuel, but ACKSHUALLY he's got Moabite in him so we can't do this!
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 22:32:28 JST
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Deut 32
>he said to them, “Take to heart all these words I am giving as a warning to you today, so that you may command your children to carefully follow all the words of this law. 47 For they are not meaningless words to you but they are your life, and by them you will live long in the land you are crossing the Jordan to possess.”
I respectfully disagree. The law matteted more than anyth8ng to them. Refusal to follow it is what caused God to divorce them and semd them into captivity. Why would thry let their king be cursed? -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 22:33:03 JST
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What is most likely is that not every who lived in the land of moab was an offspring of Moab, just like not everyone who lived in Canaan was anything. After the Israelites took the land, it clearly states they didn't kill everyone and lived with them. What is moat likely is not that ruth lies, but that you interpret it to mean something it isnt. I dont see wyats hard about not thinking David had the blood of people God cursed to hell. BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 22:34:11 JST
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@Xenophon @Godcast @givenup @norsebaptist >I dont see wyats hard about not thinking David had the blood of people God cursed to hell.
Bible says thing. I believe it. Simple as. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 22:39:38 JST
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@Xenophon @Godcast @givenup @norsebaptist I am 100% open to the idea that she wasn't the same people as the ones who were cursed by God. Just as if God cursed America for our wickedness (implying), there would undoubtedly be some good people there who were spared. Jericho is an example as well, with Roab being saved. Joshua cursed the ground there and said "don't rebuild this place it's cursed lol" and yet not that long later we see them rebuild Jericho. Sometimes they mean things in the metaphorical, and sometimes they mean in the literal, and sometimes it's multiple levels at once. -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 22:39:39 JST
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I have presented you with conflicting things. You believe the one that makes Jesus cursed. I think it should be obvious why i dont believe that thing, yet virtually every Christian ive even spoken to about it seems to believe the thing that is less likely. -
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Omega Variant (omega_variant@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 22:40:43 JST 
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More than likely it meant forever, because he says "forever" after that. Kinda like 70 times 7 wasn't a literal amount.
Ruth was likely a Moabite by country only not by blood. Kinda like one may be referred to as American because they live here, rather than were necessarily of our stock.
I don't know enough about all their bloodlines to assert it's I am right but it would make it more consistent with his word.BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 22:41:22 JST
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@Sui @Xenophon @Godcast @givenup @norsebaptist I have zero fillings and the idea of doing this causes me pain. -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 22:41:24 JST
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David was 4 generations from ruth.
But also its a hebrew idiom. 10 generations is 0.01% moabit blood. It means never. -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 22:42:25 JST
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I dont even know if people get metal fillings anymore. But it still hurts BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 22:43:01 JST
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@Xenophon @Sui @Godcast @givenup @norsebaptist Ever eat takeout from an aluminum pan with a metal fork? I swear it tastes weird for the same reason. -
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Omega Variant (omega_variant@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 22:44:00 JST
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:suihead: (sui@decayable.ink)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 22:44:01 JST
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 22:44:26 JST
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@Sui @Xenophon @Godcast @givenup @norsebaptist You put the warning in the wrong spot on purpose. :uoh: -
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:suihead: (sui@decayable.ink)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 22:50:55 JST
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Mornin'! -
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Alexander Fog ✝️ :nv: (alex_fog@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 22:50:57 JST 
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SuperLutheran (kicky half) (superlutheran@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 23:23:00 JST 
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@Xenophon @BowsacNoodle @Godcast @norsebaptist So you're saying I should understand it the way these people do? -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 23:23:00 JST
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@SuperLutheran @Xenophon @Godcast @norsebaptist Das rite wyboi -
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SuperLutheran (kicky half) (superlutheran@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 23:23:02 JST
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@Xenophon @Godcast @BowsacNoodle @norsebaptist We wuz ghost peepo, ain't got no flesh nibba I'm made of PROMISE Y'ALL -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 23:23:02 JST
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You have no business teaching anyone the bible if you cant understand those 5 verse. -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 23:23:03 JST
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Youre so tiresome. It literally says the children of the flesh are not Gods, but obly the children of the promise. Paul was Israel only.
Moreover, your pwn church founder commented that the gospel had already been given to the whole world in his time. Youre a hypocrite.
>Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
>5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
>6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
>7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
>8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. -
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Godcast (the short half) (godcast@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 23:23:04 JST
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@Xenophon @BowsacNoodle @norsebaptist Exact Scripture reference. Nobody is interested in your delaying tactics. Do you keep kosher? If not, why not? -
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Godcast (the short half) (godcast@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 23:23:05 JST
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@Xenophon @BowsacNoodle @norsebaptist Jesus identifies the devil, Satan, as the same being called "ha Satan" in Genesis. Lrn 2 Bible.
>calls certain Judeans the offspring of Satan.
The same scripture where Jesus acknowledges the Jews are the descendants of Abraham and was using the accusations of being "offspring of the devil" as obvious hyperbole?
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 23:23:05 JST
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You guys love to deny the words of jesus. Abraham had 8 sons. Ishmael had 12 of his own. Paul explains in Romans 9 that the children of the promise only come through Isaac, Abraham’s true heir.
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 23:25:37 JST
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@Xenophon @Godcast @WandererUber @norsebaptist Because of his absolute faith. And because of his faith, he was willing to sacrifice his son only being stopped by The Angel of The Lord. Through his lineage, Christ was born so that by faith all could come to know God through Christ. -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 23:25:38 JST
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The promise
>For this is what the promise said, “About this time I will return and Sarah shall have a son.” -
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Wanderer über dem Nebelmeer (wandereruber@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 23:25:39 JST 
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@Xenophon @BowsacNoodle @Godcast @norsebaptist >8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
that reads to me like he is saying ppl who accept christianity are saved and not ethnic jews? -
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Godcast (the short half) (godcast@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 23:25:40 JST
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@Xenophon @BowsacNoodle @norsebaptist >Paul was Israel only
Ah, yes, the Apostle to the Gentiles preacher that only Jews were saved. Definitely.
>8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 23:25:40 JST
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Use your words, retard. That supports my case. Im laughing so hard that people listen to you faggots when you cant read a simple sentence 🤣🤣🤣 -
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SuperLutheran (kicky half) (superlutheran@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 23:27:07 JST
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@BowsacNoodle @Xenophon @Godcast @norsebaptist We gon' X out those Edomite rats y'all -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 23:27:07 JST
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@SuperLutheran @Xenophon @Godcast @norsebaptist RIP. Wasn't he the one who some groupies followed back to his room after a show and got stuck in a Bible study? Extremely based if true. -
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Godcast (the short half) (godcast@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 23:54:13 JST
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@Xenophon @BowsacNoodle @SuperLutheran @norsebaptist Jesus was an ethnic jew, duh. And He preached openly. He wasn't conspiring in secret. Nobody is impressed with your lazy proof texting. Now tell me where God abrogates the command to make disciples of all nations. -
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yedkf (yedkf@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 23:54:13 JST 
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@Godcast @Xenophon @BowsacNoodle @SuperLutheran @norsebaptist I don't think an omnipotent and omnipresent entity that is both the son and aspect of the creator, is in anyway related to the ethnicity of the vessel God chose to grow it in. BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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Godcast (the short half) (godcast@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 23:54:14 JST
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@Xenophon @SuperLutheran @BowsacNoodle @norsebaptist Says the guy who can't process something as simple as John 3:16 and whose entire theology materialized in the 30's. -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 26-Oct-2023 23:54:14 JST
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Says a guy who cant process somethimg as simple as John 18:20
20 Jesus answered him, “I have spoken openly to the world; I have always taught in synagogues and in the temple, where all jews come together; I have said nothing secretly
You really are fucking dumb. Its a shame they let people lile you into bible college to receive undeserved "authority"
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 00:06:11 JST
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@Xenophon @Godcast @SuperLutheran @norsebaptist I don't hear any heresy from SuperLutheran. I regularly see him advocate for people to follow Christ, read their Bible daily, and reject wickedness regardless of what their denomination or church teaches. If that gets him labeled a "fake Lutheran", then fake Lutherans are based. -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 00:06:12 JST
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you lead a false denomination. You are not a Lutheran. The church wants nothing to do with you. -
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SuperLutheran (kicky half) (superlutheran@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 00:06:13 JST
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@Xenophon @BowsacNoodle @Godcast @norsebaptist I lead an entire denomination right now. What are you accomplishing, my african friend? -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 00:06:15 JST
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SuperLutheran (kicky half) (superlutheran@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 00:06:15 JST
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@Xenophon @BowsacNoodle @Godcast @norsebaptist I submit that I think you're a black hebrew israelite, yes. Same hermeneutics, same position, somehow more cringe but not every african is the same I guess. -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 00:06:15 JST
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SuperLutheran (kicky half) (superlutheran@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 00:06:16 JST
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@Xenophon @BowsacNoodle @Godcast @norsebaptist "Its truly stagger8mg you profess to preach the bible and he Christian and yet you throw so much of it out. Do you deny Obadiah? Ezra? Moses? Jesus?
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 00:06:17 JST
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Its truly stagger8mg you profess to preach the bible and he Christian and yet you throw so much of it out. Do you deny Obadiah? Ezra? Moses? Jesus?
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 00:14:36 JST
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@Xenophon @Godcast @SuperLutheran @norsebaptist My brother in Christ, he is not relying on his authority to correct you but on normal biblical hermeneutics. I do the same, as a Christian layman with NO authority and who is admittedly ignorant on many areas. That he mentioned his catacomb synod denomination as grounz for what it is he does is separate from the authority that all Christians have to address our brothers when we feel they are wrong regarding matters of faith.
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 00:14:37 JST
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He tells me I'm wrong based on his authority, yet his church denies his authority. He is a hypocrite, regardless of whether or not he is correct about aspects of Christianity.
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 00:46:36 JST
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@Xenophon Normal hermeneutics is the keyword dude. I know you're smart and capable of reading and interpreting things that a lot of people don't bother to do, but you might not be correct. I'm just being real here. People have devoted their lives to the topic of biblical accuracy and come away with a very different understanding than you. A lot of these people, probably the vast majority, were WHITE. They didn't need to come up with alternative interpretation of stuff because it was a socially understood thing that races were different and critical theory wasn't even on the horizon. It has been a slow burn to degrade society to the point where it is normal for the average person to hate their own race or speak disparagement towards themselves for who they are. They shouldn't, even those who aren't White. -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 00:46:37 JST
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>normal biblical hermeneutics
I literally quote him the bible over and over and he denies it. If denying the words of Jesus and the apostles is "normal" then I'm not upset that I don't follow them. I will never stop saying what I say, because it is what the bible says. Paul makes it clear who His target audience is.
even us whom he has called, not from the jews only but also from the Nations? 25 As indeed he says in Hose′a,
“Those who were not my people
I will call ‘my people,’
and her who was not beloved
I will call ‘my beloved.’”
26 “And in the very place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’
they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’”
This prophecy of Hosea was concerning the children of Israel. Jesus recalled all of His sheep. This is basic stuff. His you sheep were nobody but Israelites. You are included in this, but you find it offensive, and I can't understand why. Who are we to question?
>6 So it depends not upon man’s will or exertion, but upon God’s mercy. 17 For the scripture says to Pharaoh, “I have raised you up for the very purpose of showing my power in you, so that my name may be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 So then he has mercy upon whomever he wills, and he hardens the heart of whomever he wills.
>19 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, a man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me thus?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for beauty and another for menial use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience the vessels of wrath made for destruction
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 00:58:58 JST
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@Xenophon Israel is the Christian church. Address the rest of my post if you don't mind, because I do think that's the most important thing. Ultimately your salvation is in God's hands, as is mine. One or both of us could be wrong about a lot of details provided we also accept mere Christianity it is of little importance to me. My caution with CI and adjacent beliefs is if you're wrong and your beliefs cause others to fall from faith for fear that their X% of whatever ancestry disqualifies them from salvation, that's on you. Just as if my sins directly cause others to stumble. -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 00:58:59 JST
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How is it an alternative interpretation?
OT
>God loves Israel. God will save Israel. Even though God divorced Israel, He will send a savior so He can remarry them
NT
>God fulfills the OT promises.
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 01:07:03 JST
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@Xenophon Was the old testament written for anyone but Israelites? The word of God was written for all who believe. Paul says as much in Romans 4. 23Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, 25who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification.
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 01:07:04 JST
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I believe what I believe no matter my ancestry. I cannot know it. It changes nothing. It isn't a "belief." It's an acceptance of the word of God.
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 01:08:18 JST
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@Xenophon >People have devoted their lives to the topic of biblical accuracy and come away with a very different understanding than you. A lot of these people, probably the vast majority, were WHITE. -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 01:08:20 JST
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 01:13:37 JST
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@Xenophon The “us” Paul is speaking about are the legitimate children of Israel. Why else would he call these “gentiles” the fleshly children of Abraham
He’s talking about the words and promise made to Abraham. Paul says it’s for “us”. This is why The Church, Christianity, is now ‘Israel’. It’s for all who believe.
24 but also for us.
It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead,25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification.
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 01:13:38 JST
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That's not what I asked. The OT was written only to Israelites, by Israelites. Nowhere in there does it say it's for anyone outside of them.
>4 What, then, shall we say Abraham our father, to have found, according to flesh?
The "us" Paul is speaking about are the legitimate children of Israel. Why else would he call these "gentiles" the fleshly children of AbrahamBowserNoodle ☦️ repeated this. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 02:23:12 JST
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@Xenophon I'm a convert with a lot of *low church* Protestant priors ingrained in my views. I don't think the Catholic Church is perfect, although it tends to correct itself or God lets something happen to remind them of their problems and heresy. Same with many churches. Some are so far away from the truth that only by God's grace do any of their people find the way to real faith. Often times we as fallen human beings amplify the small heterodoxies into larger than life heresies. There ought not to be a huge rift where Protestants and Catholics insist the others are not Christians, but see my prior point. (Part 1/2) -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 02:23:13 JST
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Yes, Almost all of them were White. Paul only gave the Gospel to "White" people. But does that mean you think everything the Catholic church says is correct? Or what about other churches? The catholic church sold indulgences to get people into heaven. Is that biblical?
People will lie to serve their purpose. All I'm doing is testing it against scripture. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong and I'm okay with that, but what nobody CAN do is tell me that my position is not consistent. It doesn't make a lie out of the bible, where his position does.
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 02:33:44 JST
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@Xenophon >If I'm wrong, I'm wrong and I'm okay with that, but what nobody CAN do is tell me that my position is not consistent. It doesn't make a lie out of the bible, where his position does.
Your position is consistent within the interpretation you use, but the quality of that is what people take issue with. Your hermeneutics are not standard, and the burden is on you to convince others why we are wrong rather than expecting us to trust you. Links and citations which support your belief are useful in supporting your hermeneutics, but they will not convince on their own. That is what you are missing — you cannot simply provide what you feel is self-evident given the circumstances, when it should be grounds for a proper argument. You have not made a sufficient argument that has convinced me. Grounds ≠ argument.
>If I can just quote counter verses to whatever he says, then whose verse do you trust? The bible cannot contradict itself.
It doesn't contradict itself. This is why hermeneutics are important, and it's why reading books verses in the context of the whole chapter and book is important. Frankly it's also why the old tradition of gatekeeping scriptural interpretation was valuable, as even if it bore some corrupt fruits it likely mitigated cancerous levels of heresy. -
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NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 02:35:41 JST 
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@Xenophon >All I'm doing is testing it against scripture
Remember the time I got you to reject literally all for of the canonized gospels because at different points they said that Christianity is a universalist faith? Pepperidge Farm remembers
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 02:37:10 JST
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@Xenophon My dude. I big-texted for you. I feel like I answer you and you go to another thing instead of addressing my point. Not good. -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 02:37:12 JST
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Nowhere does it say "the church" is Israel now. And Paul says exactly what the promise is in Romans 9:9. The promise God made to Abraham
8 that is, the children of the flesh -- these [are] not children of God; but the children of the promise are reckoned for seed;
9 for the word of promise [is] this; `According to this time I will come, and there shall be to Sarah a son.'
10 And not only [so], but also Rebecca, having conceived by one -- Isaac our father --
11 (for they being not yet born, neither having done anything good or evil, that the purpose of God, according to choice, might remain; not of works, but of Him who is calling,) it was said to her --
12 `The greater shall serve the less;'
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 02:48:31 JST
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I'm sorry if you feel that way. It is not my intention. I thought i was answering you. I see the big text, but the context is what matters.
Romans 4
>13 The promise to Abraham and his descendants, that they should inherit the world, did not come through the law but through the righteousness of faith. 14 If it is the adherents of the law who are to be the heirs, faith is null and the promise is void
>16 That is why it depends on faith, in order that the promise may rest on grace and be guaranteed to all his descendants—not only to the adherents of the law but also to those who share the faith of Abraham, for he is the father of us all,
>18 In hope he believed against hope, that he should become the father of many nations; as he had been told, “So shall your descendants be.” 19 He did not weaken in faith when he considered his own body, which was as good as dead because he was about a hundred years old, or when he considered the barrenness of Sarah’s womb.
The context is clear to me, that Paul is speaking about the children of Israel here. The "our sake" referring to the subject of the letter, who are also Israelites like Paul. I do not see anyway in which this can refer to a church. Paul does not mention a church. Paul speaks explicitly about Abrahams belief related to his physical descendants.BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 02:56:10 JST
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@Xenophon Thank you and apology accepted.
I don't take this interpretation the same because it's explicitly stated that it's Abraham's faith that mattered. Christ is ultimately from Abraham's seed. John 3:16, 3:18 and many other verses make it clear that it's about "whoever". That we should be expected to believe there's asterisks next to "whoever" is a problem to me. Paul preached to jews who needed things addressed to them in a jewy way. He also preached to gentiles who did not. The message is largely the same even if the specific language varies to the audience, because Paul was obviously a learned and intelligent man who knew that you tailor your message to your audience. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 03:02:45 JST
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@Xenophon >I assume we can agree that the OT was only for Israel
I don't even think that's the case. How many Egyptians converted when Moses led them from Egypt? I guarantee a lot of people were like "yeah I'm gonna go ahead with these guys because their God just killed every firstborn and also the plagues thing... Cya Pharaoh!" Surely some of them became true believers and followed God even if they weren't of Abraham's seed, no? Does that mean that were forbidden from participating in worship of any kind? If the original point was to have the nation of Israel as a nation of priests, with their own high priest class within that, would not it make sense to allow all who wishes to follow God's law to be aware of it? (1/2) -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 03:02:46 JST
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So I assume we can agree that the OT was only for Israel, and every promise concerned the Israelites. The contention is that denominational Christianity believes that somehow after Jesus died, this promise to abraham was given to everyone who might appear to be a human. That is why i endeavor to demonstrate that all of the subjects of Pauls writings, the "gentiles", were in fact Israelites.
I in no way suggest that non-White people shouldn't attend church, or try to be good people. I have no idea what happens to any of us when we die. All I'm saying is that it's clear that Jesus came for Israel (He said so) and that Pauls mission was to regather the dispersed Israelites (of which there were 10s of millions at that time). -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 03:07:10 JST
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@Xenophon Even if there were 10s of millions of Israelites, what does it matter? Suppose that some fraction of Abraham’s ancestry is in various people’s all over the world, you just get to Calvanism with extra steps. Which hey if that the route you want to go, fine. But we still end up with the same point which is we can’t know what happens when we die besides what God has told us. It sort of becomes what appears to me a meaningless wrapper that can potentially turn people away from the faith rather than interest them. It also creates an opening for accidental race-worship a la Black Hebrew Israelites :thasrite: . We don’t need that, and Christianity is complete without it.
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 03:15:55 JST
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@Xenophon >Israel will be saved by the Lord with an everlasting salvation; you will not be put to shame or humiliated for all eternity.
Hence why most Christians view "Israel" as The Christian Church at large since Christ fulfilled the law and old covenant. This also ties to Revelation 7:9-10
>9After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”
We inherited the promises made to Israel. Peoples of every nation, tongue, tribe, of a multitude no one can count, praising God. How else does that happen besides The Christian Church becoming Israel? -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 03:15:56 JST
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But God literally says all of Israel will be saved.
Isaiah 45:17
>Israel will be saved by the Lord with an everlasting salvation; you will not be put to shame or humiliated for all eternity.
Isaiah wasn't talking about a church here. I'm not trying to question your faith, but you have to reject large portions of the bible to think this isn't so.BowserNoodle ☦️ repeated this. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 03:29:18 JST
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@Xenophon Both things are true though, are they not? Jesus came from his seed, and he was the father of many nations. God will use the faithful in ways that are beyond their comprehension. My gut tells me Noah didn't recognize that he'd have to functionally rebuild civilization even though that's what God had planned for him. He built the arc, he was saved from the flood by his faith. -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 03:29:19 JST
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Please understand, we are having a discussion, not an argument. But I don't know how else I can phrase this. Paul wrote in two different places what the faith of Abraham was.
Romans 4
>18 In hope he believed against hope, that he should become the father of many nations; as he had been told, “So shall your descendants be.”
Romans 9
>9 For this is what the promise said, “About this time I will return and Sarah shall have a son.” 10 And not only so, but also when Rebecca had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, 11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad, in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of his call,
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 07:39:56 JST
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@Xenophon >that covenant was that the physical offspring from he and Sarah would inherit the entire world. The promise is not to Jesus, for Jesus IS God. Why would God make a promise to Himself?
Jesus is fully God and fully man. Scripture also says that Christ will return and rule for a millennium. As I said before, both things can be true. -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 07:39:58 JST
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All i'm saying is that when God made an unconditional covenant with Abraham, that covenant was that the physical offspring from he and Sarah would inherit the entire world. The promise is not to Jesus, for Jesus IS God. Why would God make a promise to Himself? The promise is to His creation.
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