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Dr. Sex, Ph.d, Esq. (doctorsex@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 03:20:25 JST 
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Any good bible verses for sola scriptura? I see catholics and orthos claim it's incoherent and doesn't even follow from it's own premises -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 03:20:21 JST 
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@SuperSnekFriend @doctorsex @SuperLutheran Not to hellthread here, but I don't personally take issue with people who do the Sola Scriptura approach for their own faith. My issue is when they attack anything else as heresy rather than recognizing that tradition outside the scripture is valuable. Tradition doesn't save you, but it's not worthless. A lot of what gets attacked as "going through the motions" by people outside of liturgical denominations is done for a very specific reason, and it's literally ignorance that causes many to dismiss it as void of meaning or spiritually dead or simply done to appease man. -
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?uper?nekFriend ? (supersnekfriend@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 03:20:22 JST 
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"Everything that I command you, you shall be careful to do. You shall not add to it or take from it.
If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder,
and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, 'Let us go after other gods,' which you have not known, 'and let us serve them,'
you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the LORD your God is testing you, to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul." (Deuteronomy 12:32-13:3)
"Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.
Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar."
(Proverbs 30:5-6)
"For God commanded, 'Honor your father and your mother,' and, 'Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.'
But you say, 'If anyone tells his father or his mother, 'What you would have gained from me is given to God,'
he need not honor his father.' So for the sake of your tradition you have made void the word of God.
You hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, when he said:
'This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me;
in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'" (Matt. 15:4-9)
"Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples,
'The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat,
so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice.'" (Matt. 23:1-3) -
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blaaablaaaa (blaaablaaaa@hermit.cafe)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 03:46:59 JST 
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I sent this to nugger as well and you might enjoy it. It's a portion of Elder Cleopa having to deal with prots in Romania, this one in particular addresses Holy Tradition, everything he has is based on scripture and quotes from the Holy Fathers: https://orthochristian.com/38631.html -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 10:42:52 JST
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@branman65 @blaaablaaaa :veryunwise: Mmmm, no, very unwise. -
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Branman65? (branman65@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 10:42:53 JST 
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@blaaablaaaa @BowsacNoodle tradition can kiss my ass -
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Branman65? (branman65@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 10:48:45 JST
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@BowsacNoodle @blaaablaaaa what is empty dusty meaningless tradition good for? -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 10:48:45 JST
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@branman65 @blaaablaaaa It's not empty, and it's certainly not meaningless. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 11:11:55 JST
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@branman65 @blaaablaaaa >Saint Sandeater of the Unwashed Beard
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You're missing a lot of Christian history with that type of view. Chrystostom has an 8 part homily titled "Against the Jews" and he was exiled for standing up against heresy. The liturgy he created is still used 1600 years later. Every part of it has deliberate intentional meaning and symbolism. To equate respect for that with suicide cults is ignorant and insulting. -
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Branman65? (branman65@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 11:11:56 JST
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@BowsacNoodle @blaaablaaaa there are two extremes, me-and-my-bible-under-a-tree-ism (which can get you to heaven's gate weird cult tier places), and "I know what the Bible says but Saint Sandeater of the Unwashed Beard said something that makes sense a few times so you should listen to him when he says the most retarded take you've ever heard because an Italian in a big hat said so". we must reject both -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 11:13:27 JST
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@branman65 @blaaablaaaa Yes of course all of Christianity got it wrong until Luther. 🙃 -
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Branman65? (branman65@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 11:13:29 JST
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@BowsacNoodle @blaaablaaaa just because a bad hot take was written down 1500 ago doesn't mean it's anything more than that. remember this -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 11:16:09 JST
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@Dovahkiin @branman65 @blaaablaaaa I don't even hate Luther. If anything, I like him more than I should for a man of my religious leaning. My point is people leaning into Sola Scriptura twice over, as if it's not enough to trust only the scripture hit you must actively reject anything (written before Luther) that serves as a supportive buttress to your faith. Foolish. -
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Dovahkiin (dovahkiin@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 11:16:10 JST 
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@BowsacNoodle @branman65 @blaaablaaaa Things got off-track and Luther was a correction. -
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Dovahkiin (dovahkiin@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 11:17:16 JST
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@BowsacNoodle @branman65 @blaaablaaaa Ehhhh I've talked to a Catholic about these alleged traditions, and he can't tell me why they exist or what purpose they serve, and ceetainly not where they're referenced in scripture. Maybe I just asked the wrong Catholic. I need to know that they are in fact tradition, rather than something I'm simply told is tradition. And from that point, purpose and validity are next. BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 11:26:17 JST
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@Dovahkiin @branman65 @blaaablaaaa There's a lot of bad formation in modern Christianity. I give the Orthodox and modern RCC huge kudos for getting serious about their catechism in the last decade+. So many Christmas and Easter Catholics genuinely don't know much. I'm a layman and I know very very little; my knowledge is dwarfed by most Catholic and Orthodox on fedi. All I know is stuff I've asked my priest and researched to supplement, but it's enough to know about what traditions mean because I specifically searched that out. I came from a Protestant background, very Sola Scriptura and the like. It was and still is important to me that the actions are not simply dumb thoughtless motions to go through, because I did not want to be what Christ spoke against in Matthew 6:7
>And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words. -
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yockeypuck (yockeypuck@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 11:29:22 JST 
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@Crux_Invictus @BowsacNoodle @Dovahkiin @branman65 @blaaablaaaa Sola scriptura means trusting the Church fathers (Martin Luther and Henry VIII). -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 11:29:22 JST
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@yockeypuck @Crux_Invictus @Dovahkiin @branman65 @blaaablaaaa Turning point: Tudors -
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Crux_Invictus (crux_invictus@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 11:29:23 JST 
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@BowsacNoodle @Dovahkiin @branman65 @blaaablaaaa Mate, what's your understanding of what Sola Scriptura is? -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 11:37:30 JST
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@Crux_Invictus @Dovahkiin @branman65 @blaaablaaaa "By Scripture alone", which is fine until it's applied twice over as I mentioned. If any of the church fathers are speaking blasphemous stuff that doesn't jive with the Bible, cast it into the fire. Instead what I see with my own two eyes is people saying
>WHERE IS [X RELIGIOUS PRACTICE THAT YOU DON'T CONSIDER ESSENTIAL FOR YOUR SALVATION BUT IMPORTANT FOR ONE OF MANY OTHER REASONS] FOUND IN THE BIBLE? NOT THERE, HUH? HERETIC!
I see this daily on fedi. I saw it all the time when I was young, and it was one of the many things that made me leave the church for a while. -
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Branman65? (branman65@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 11:37:41 JST
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@BowsacNoodle @yockeypuck @Crux_Invictus @Dovahkiin @blaaablaaaa always thought they were catholics but with the king of england as the pope BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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Branman65? (branman65@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 11:37:42 JST
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@BowsacNoodle @yockeypuck @Crux_Invictus @Dovahkiin @blaaablaaaa anglicanism seems absolutely incoherent so idk -
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Branman65? (branman65@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 11:47:44 JST
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@blaaablaaaa @Dovahkiin @BowsacNoodle that's nice and all but why -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 11:47:44 JST
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@branman65 @blaaablaaaa @Dovahkiin Many reasons. It's an act of worship and sacrifice that you as a parishioner are a part of. It is pleasant to be reminded visually from iconography and the representation of the holy of holies with the royal doors, through the sounds of prayers and canting, the smell of incense, the ability to touch the cross, to taste and receive the body and blood of Christ. It is a very beautiful and moving thing. I have brought hardcore Baptists to my church who left with 100 questions and an entirely different perspective on our side of the faith than what they expected. It's extremely serious. -
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blaaablaaaa (blaaablaaaa@hermit.cafe)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 11:47:47 JST
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I don't know the Catholic side and that's different than what @BowsacNoodle and I are arguing. One person not understanding complex meaning isn't a great thing to base it off of.
You can look at the Orthodox Priest Stole:
The epitrachelion comes down in front almost to the hem of his robes, and is symbolic of the priest's "anointing" (Septuagint: Psalm 132:2; KJV: Psalm 133:2).
The Little Entrance of the Gospel embodies the beginning of Jesus’s public ministry.
The Great Entrance symbolizes the triumphant entrance of the Lord into the Holy city of Jerusalem where He is about to be crucified for the salvation of the world.
The incense is constantly referenced in the Old Testament worship and symbolizes our prayers going to heaven. Another point is many actions were parts of Old Testament worship and were "baptized" into Christian worship. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 11:58:28 JST
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@branman65 @Crux_Invictus @Dovahkiin @blaaablaaaa He helped a 19 year old socialite widow live out the rest of her life as an ascetic Christian rather than partying until death followed by eternity in hell. It's like an extremely hardcore interpretation of Matthew 18:8 -
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Branman65? (branman65@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 11:58:29 JST
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@BowsacNoodle @Crux_Invictus @Dovahkiin @blaaablaaaa >If any of the church fathers are speaking blasphemous stuff that doesn't jive with the Bible, cast it into the fire
a big example that I have probably said 6 gorillion times is jerome of stridon, I don't think it says in the Bible that you should pressure young impressionable women into starving themselves to death. -
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Branman65? (branman65@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:00:37 JST
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@blaaablaaaa @BowsacNoodle @Dovahkiin forgiveness of our sins? also I literally had my take on communion being the real blood and body or not decided by popular opinion -
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blaaablaaaa (blaaablaaaa@hermit.cafe)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:00:37 JST
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So forgiveness of sins and then what?
Why would you leave that up for that to be decided when it's spelled out:
53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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blaaablaaaa (blaaablaaaa@hermit.cafe)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:00:38 JST
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Do you actually care? You don't seem to care about Ecclesiology.
The short answer which could be incorrect, is Divine Liturgy is when we can commune and partake in the Body and Blood of Christ. The actions imbued with the life of Christ and the Gospel are reminders and represent what Christ came to do and what we are called to do. Additionally, we want to pray and worship with all of our senses.
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:02:28 JST
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@branman65 @blaaablaaaa @Dovahkiin Essence, in the spiritual sense. There's also documented miracles of peculiar stuff that has happened during communion. Quite a lot actually. -
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Branman65? (branman65@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:02:29 JST
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@BowsacNoodle @blaaablaaaa @Dovahkiin ok but I get just as much out of my low church Baptist church -
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Branman65? (branman65@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:02:29 JST
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@BowsacNoodle @blaaablaaaa @Dovahkiin also I haven't really decided if Communion is the real blood and body of Jesus or not, I Iean towards symbolic because, well, It's a wafer and wine, I don't think wine pumps through veins and arteries of bread in Jesus's body, explain your evidence for otherwise -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:05:41 JST
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@branman65 @Crux_Invictus @Dovahkiin @blaaablaaaa >If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the everlasting fire. 9And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into [b]hell fire.
He didn't take 💩 from the Godless degenerates around him who were sad that their equivalent of a Paris Hilton died too early as a pious woman instead of partying at ye olde patrician playboy mansion. -
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Branman65? (branman65@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:05:42 JST
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@BowsacNoodle @Crux_Invictus @Dovahkiin @blaaablaaaa I know but he murdered the woman and mocked all who pointed out the evil of this deed, he never repented, there's a good chance he's burning in hell, -
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Dovahkiin (dovahkiin@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:06:34 JST
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@BowsacNoodle @branman65 @blaaablaaaa Sounds like you think it's symbolic rather than literal? -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:06:34 JST
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@Dovahkiin @branman65 @blaaablaaaa No, it's literal. -
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blaaablaaaa (blaaablaaaa@hermit.cafe)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:06:59 JST
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How did he murder her, how are you aware he never repented? You're capable of understanding the depths of others repentance? BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:10:50 JST
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@Dovahkiin @branman65 @blaaablaaaa We love our religious autism, don't we folks? :trump: He has enough blood to wash and redeem all of humanity's sins, but yet the human body only has like 6L of blood. I am totally fine saying "lol idk I'll ask God when I get there" but probably won't ask him because I'll be too awestruck by His glory and it won't matter. -
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Dovahkiin (dovahkiin@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:10:51 JST
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@branman65 @BowsacNoodle @blaaablaaaa I believe it's symbolic, but that doesnt make it any less serious, which is what i think literl-interpretation Catholics think that would entail. Jesus has a physical body, with actual organs and blood etc. His sacrifice was infinite, but his body isn't. -
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Branman65? (branman65@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:16:06 JST
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@BowsacNoodle @Crux_Invictus @Dovahkiin @blaaablaaaa psychotic piece of shit can go burn in hell. jim jones bastard -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:16:06 JST
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@branman65 @Crux_Invictus @Dovahkiin @blaaablaaaa Settle down now friend. You're sounding an awful lot like the Romans during his day. How do you know that God didn't plan for that entire situation? Do you think it was easy for Jerome to suddenly be called a killer and threatened by every patrician around? For all we know that death sparked a major revival in the church even if it started from a few people hate-attending to get a good look at the guy they blamed. And here's the other thing: I never said Jerome was infallible. I'm not even sure this wasn't a mistake. I just think it's awfully presumptuous of you to take the heckin' /r/atheism tier take on this as a way to "own the trads". Shameful. -
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Branman65? (branman65@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:16:07 JST
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@BowsacNoodle @Crux_Invictus @Dovahkiin @blaaablaaaa maybe killing her wasn't the best way to address a immoral lifestyle -
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Branman65? (branman65@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:18:50 JST
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@BowsacNoodle @Crux_Invictus @Dovahkiin @blaaablaaaa he was a common killer, no better than nero. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:18:50 JST
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@branman65 @Crux_Invictus @Dovahkiin @blaaablaaaa >Jerome: you should abstain from rich foods and put all your hope and trust in Christ.
>Nero: TIE CHRISTIANS TO WOODEN POLES AND LIGHT EM UP :LFG:
You say these two are the same. Mmmm, no, very unwise. -
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Dovahkiin (dovahkiin@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:22:28 JST
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@BowsacNoodle @branman65 @blaaablaaaa Are you of the opinion that Jesus' literal physical blood paid for sins? I always understood it as his death, not the actual blood itself. But since he is alive again, who knows how fast a perfect human body would produce blood. It could do it. But i dont see it as a necessity from which we should necessarily derive doctrine. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:22:28 JST
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@Dovahkiin @branman65 @blaaablaaaa The sacrifice and conquering death. If it was His blood alone, He wouldn't have had to be crucified, as He spilled blood as an infant during His circumcision. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:23:21 JST
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@blaaablaaaa @Crux_Invictus @Dovahkiin @branman65 Hard one to live. -
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blaaablaaaa (blaaablaaaa@hermit.cafe)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:23:22 JST
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Truly and to claim knowledge of his repentance is odd and impossible. We say every night the prayer Ezekial says we say: "Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live." -
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blaaablaaaa (blaaablaaaa@hermit.cafe)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:26:17 JST
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It is, but if that's His will we should try our best. 😩 BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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blaaablaaaa (blaaablaaaa@hermit.cafe)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:26:43 JST
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Christ exists in Heaven outside of time as we know it. -
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Dovahkiin (dovahkiin@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:26:43 JST
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@blaaablaaaa @BowsacNoodle @branman65 Oof that raises an interesting thought. Jesus, Enoch, and Elijah are the only physical human bodies in heaven, I assume is standard doctrine? Yet heaven is outside of our concepts of time and space, as far as we know. Weird. BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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Dovahkiin (dovahkiin@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:31:21 JST
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@branman65 @blaaablaaaa @BowsacNoodle Oof, possibly. The theory I've heard is their bodies must still die at some point, so they'll be the two prophets from Revelation who ultimatrly get killed. Implying to me that they currently have their bodies. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:31:21 JST
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@Dovahkiin @branman65 @blaaablaaaa This makes sense to me. I like it. -
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Branman65? (branman65@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:31:22 JST
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@Dovahkiin @blaaablaaaa @BowsacNoodle I assumed that Enoch and Elijah's bodies got dissolved on the way there or something -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:32:26 JST
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@branman65 @Crux_Invictus @Dovahkiin @blaaablaaaa Do you know for sure that he told her "just starve yourself lol just don't eat lmao!" Or are you going on the apriori justification that everything between Jesus and Luther is trash? -
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Branman65? (branman65@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:32:27 JST
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@BowsacNoodle @Crux_Invictus @Dovahkiin @blaaablaaaa when nigger cult leaders in kenya tell their followers to starve themselves to death to meet Jesus they are called dangerous heretics, when Jerome does it he gets canonized -
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Branman65? (branman65@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:32:28 JST
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@BowsacNoodle @Crux_Invictus @Dovahkiin @blaaablaaaa I think that obvious anorexia nervosa is different than just not eating fat fuck bullshit and putting faith in Christ -
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blaaablaaaa (blaaablaaaa@hermit.cafe)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:46:34 JST
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Yeah, it's a mystery and I don't really know the full answer. I know that it's eternity and outside of our understanding. I have heard somethings about how time and earth viewed from eternity is everything is constantly and forever happening. This is reflected in Church services, prayers, and Divine Liturgy as events of the Gospel are taking place, not just that they happened once.
I will say it's funny that you're so against Holy Tradition but will mention Enoch. Jesus and the Apostles quoted Enoch which wasn't part of their scripture.BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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blaaablaaaa (blaaablaaaa@hermit.cafe)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:52:16 JST
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But it's okay when luther does:
Christ, our Savior, was the real and natural fruit of Mary's virginal womb . . . This was without the cooperation of a man, and she remained a virgin after that.
{Luther's Works, eds. Jaroslav Pelikan (vols. 1-30) & Helmut T. Lehmann (vols. 31-55), St. Louis: Concordia Pub. House (vols. 1-30); Philadelphia: Fortress Press (vols. 31-55), 1955, v.22:23 / Sermons on John, chaps. 1-4 (1539)}
Christ . . . was the only Son of Mary, and the Virgin Mary bore no children besides Him . . . I am inclined to agree with those who declare that 'brothers' really mean 'cousins' here, for Holy Writ and the Jews always call cousins brothers.
{Pelikan, ibid., v.22:214-15 / Sermons on John, chaps. 1-4 (1539)}
A new lie about me is being circulated. I am supposed to have preached and written that Mary, the mother of God, was not a virgin either before or after the birth of Christ . . .
{Pelikan, ibid.,v.45:199 / That Jesus Christ was Born a Jew (1523)}
Scripture does not say or indicate that she later lost her virginity . . .
When Matthew [1:25] says that Joseph did not know Mary carnally until she had brought forth her son, it does not follow that he knew her subsequently; on the contrary, it means that he never did know her . . . This babble . . . is without justification . . . he has neither noticed nor paid any attention to either Scripture or the common idiom.BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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Branman65? (branman65@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:52:18 JST
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@BowsacNoodle @Crux_Invictus @Dovahkiin @blaaablaaaa he also accused a protoprot of being demon possessed for opposing relics -
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Branman65? (branman65@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:52:18 JST
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@BowsacNoodle @Crux_Invictus @Dovahkiin @blaaablaaaa he also popularized that weirdass perpetual virginity of Mary doctrine. -
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Branman65? (branman65@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:52:19 JST
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@BowsacNoodle @Crux_Invictus @Dovahkiin @blaaablaaaa he basically said that. truly an illustration of the consequences of heresy (death) -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:57:27 JST
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@Dovahkiin @blaaablaaaa @Crux_Invictus @branman65 How is that a win? If anything it's highlighting ignorance on team Protestant around how our side views things. -
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Dovahkiin (dovahkiin@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 12:57:28 JST
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@blaaablaaaa @BowsacNoodle @Crux_Invictus @branman65 Men are fallible, and Prots don't feel beholden to extra-scriptural opinions. Prots get the win on this one. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 13:15:05 JST
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@Dovahkiin @blaaablaaaa @Crux_Invictus @branman65 I grew up Protestant, and read the bible regularly. Most of my media was Christian until I was like 16. I likely have a better understanding of evangelical and associated sphere beliefs than you people do mine. I consider you my Christian brothers, and I wish you'd stop with ignorant or bad faith interpretations of my beliefs. Some of you never will. Oh well. -
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Dovahkiin (dovahkiin@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 13:15:06 JST
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@BowsacNoodle @blaaablaaaa @Crux_Invictus @branman65 There's no reason to believe post-canon writers are divinely inspired and free from error. Despite the memes, Prots don't literally take Billy Graham's words as gospel, for example. It's not ignorance to stick to God's divinely-inspired word and nothing else, it's the only confirmed safe ground, spiritually speaking. -
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blaaablaaaa (blaaablaaaa@hermit.cafe)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 13:16:16 JST
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Also, there is no consensus, half could believe as the Church does, half could make up their own interpretation. BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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blaaablaaaa (blaaablaaaa@hermit.cafe)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 13:33:49 JST
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Why is there no reason to believe there is no divine inspiration anymore, what possible reason is there that divine inspiration stopped, people are now unable to communicate with God except through the Bible? Hundreds of Bishops through rigorous prayer, discussion, and divine inspiration guided by the Holy Spirit compiled the Bible and then it went away? BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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blaaablaaaa (blaaablaaaa@hermit.cafe)'s status on Saturday, 30-Sep-2023 14:06:16 JST
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I don't care what they say and my intention isn't arguments or hellthreads, I thought you were being trying to be genuine and not just do internet arguments. Most of their posts are railing against the Church and discussing anything isn't worthwhile. BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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