@caekislove I read they're doing this sort of thing as revenge for shitty tips, but they may be in the habit of doing it regardless. Considering the obscene fees Uber Eats charges, they probably shouldn't need tips at all
@Hyperhidrosis I'm so pissed if knew where that bitch was with the food she stole from me, I would. Not in minecraft, in real life. Fucking nigger bitch. I hope she dies of AIDS.
@leyonhjelm@caekislove I, along with many others, independently thought up things like Lyft and Uber Eats. I mean, they are just automated dispatch, pricing, and fee collection. But I never envisioned them to be like this, where the service charges out the ass, the drivers get paid bupkis, and the delivery people steal your food. It's a fucking nightmare.
No wonder she thought she was being kidnapped and they were going to do some Aztec shit to her. But bearing in mind that very real possiblity, why was she going to casinos, not exactly the safest zones in the Wild West, in the first place?
@teratology@leyonhjelm@caekislove Nah sis you don't get to blame ypipo this time. This was eses killing other eses. This wise Latina knew using her Native magic that Mr Garcia was up to no good and so she rolled initiative on that dude, holmes.
@NEETzsche@leyonhjelm@caekislove lmao her racist ass assumed he was driving her to Mexico, idk how it is there but the Casinos around my area can be far out in remote areas
@NEETzsche@CumskinFoidPuncher69420@leyonhjelm@caekislove it actually does because chances are there are plenty of white Latinos you didn’t know were Latino until they told you, you seem to have a generalized image most people have and then people act surprised there are Black people in latinam
No, these two groups consider themselves different races, different ethnicities, and different nations. So, bearing that in mind, how important is it for you to know the difference between the two? Last time I’m asking.
Okay so the applies to different kinds of Hispanics. All of the “Native” peoples of North and South America are one race and have merely cultural/geographical differences between them. It’s no more important for me to know the difference between them than it is for you to know the difference between Croats and Serbs.
@NEETzsche@CumskinFoidPuncher69420@leyonhjelm@caekislove considering yourself a different race does not take you out of a racial category, if you’re referring to different ethnicity and culture then that’s the main distinction beyond borders
I’m not making any assumptions. This whole thing started with you playing the race card against a Hispanic woman who killed a Hispanic man for what she thought was trying to kidnap her. You knew nothing about this woman aside from that she was from El Paso and the driver was named Garcia. You called her racist. Now you’re trying to act like Hispanic isn’t a race and I’m some kind of ignoramus because I don’t care about the various fake “ethnicities” of Latin America, whose number exceeds heavy metal subgenres.
@NEETzsche@CumskinFoidPuncher69420@leyonhjelm@goo@caekislove you realize that not everyone from latin america is native right? You realize that natives are fighting for their rights in latin america and are often not recognized by their own nations?
It boils down to the assumptions you’ve made based off propaganda you’ve consumed. the reality in Latin America is different than what it’s made out to be.
This woman you just cited was born in Miami, Florida and looks like a space alien. Actually this is now officially part of my definitely real oral history. Her and I have a common ancestor with space aliens who colonized South America. Me and her are the last remnants of an ancient tribe of people who were originally produced of Xolotl tanks. We own all of South America.
Definitely not. Pic related is the progenitors of all Xolotl people, the true owners of all of North and South America. Now you know why I don’t care about the infinity kinds of taco niggers. You could have prevented this. But then I just had to show my power level and put you in your proper place. You can no longer capitalize the N in Native. That’s for me now. You’re now a lower case irredentist.
@roboneko@CumskinFoidPuncher69420@leyonhjelm@caekislove@NEETzsche I am certain nobody ITT knows this but if you check latino on census data you are categorized as white racially. Think about that. Not the first time U.S did that with their data and categorizations.
> race is more about how people see you based off your presentation
inb4 trans black people becoming a thing :blobdizzy:
was the avoidance of genetics there intentional?
> As for Argentina it isn’t a divide
> che guevara himself lived in segregated argentina.
that sounds divided to me? altho I suppose it's theoretically possible to share the majority of your culture yet have significant racial segregation. but that seems unlikely to be an equilibrium point
> the argument that race doesn’t exist in latin america
I don't think anyone here made that argument? tbh that would be pretty obviously absurd given that even if you lump all historical immigrants together (which is already absurd) you've still got natives to account for
regardless of personal feelings about the term latino isn't an unusual term in the US and it does seem to carry a generally understood meaning. bit like calling someone "european" or even "white" and someone gets all offended but it isn't wrong per se
the point about japanese brazilians not being latino is well taken but then again you could also argue that a second or third generation immigrant living in an enclave in chinatown isn't "american" or possibly even "western" to the extent that they haven't assimilated so I'm not sure that observation really changes anything wrt the term latino as used in the US
anyway thanks for taking the time to answer, I think I see where you're coming from regarding the original question
As for Argentina it isn’t a divide, it’s the fact that Western Propaganda creates anti-native and pan-indian notions that everyone is latin america is mixed or that there is no racial disparities when that’s an absolute lie. There was segregation in south america and a lot more transatlantic slavery in places like Brazil. che guevara himself lived in segregated argentina.
the argument that race doesn’t exist in latin america is flawed when you account for the treatment of Black and indigenous people there, as much as people push Indigenismo in Mexico (look it up for some interesting historical revisionism), Mexico did not accept Indigenous people are part of the nation or grant them citizenship until later in the 1900s. which bears the question, if all Mexicans are native then why didn’t they want to recognize the native groups in the nation? the answer is that they were not native themselves. the same applies to nazi refuges in south america. My friend’s Venezuelan mother bragged about her nazi heritage to me and was racist to my mother. She’s from south america. I’ve also had Argentinian friends tell me why they call themselves white and I didn’t understand it when I was younger but I do now. She was blonde and blue eyed and not mixed. Back then I conflated all latin americans being the same despite not feeling seen in Spanish media. There’s a reason darker skinned people are depicted in a negative light there.
regarding my original question of race versus ethnicity, are you saying you see it as genetics versus culture? or something else?
I'm a bit confused because that doesn't seem to fit with what you pointed out, that argentinians of german descent view themselves as white and not as various other things. or is there a significant cultural divide going on in the country? I haven't spent time there
> it’s a flawed assumption
less assumption, more differences between our respective working definitions. but I'm generally curious to learn how others use words
> nobody outside of the west uses it to describe themselves
I'm aware. however "not being used elsewhere" != "not a meaningful distinction"
that isn't necessarily to claim that it is or is not a useful category, merely that the one does not follow from the other
> Americans are different and will cite ethnicity over their American Nationality for varying reasons
seems natural to me given how short the western history is here and how many different places the people who came to live here emigrated from. when you've got grandparents that are (lets suppose) japanese, swedish, and mexican that's recent enough that you're likely to be in contact with at least a few relatives who live in other countries
just a different, somewhat more nomadic way of looking at things
I generally see "white" as a superset that contains "german" and other stuff, if that makes any sense
I'm not necessarily trying to contest that there are people that use the words differently, but I'd be curious to know what distinction is being made that is actually useful or relevant day to day
@roboneko@CumskinFoidPuncher69420@leyonhjelm@caekislove@NEETzsche it’s a flawed assumption, I hold strong opinions on the issue because of America’s history of erasing groups via made up terminology. Latino is one example of this, nobody outside of the west uses it to describe themselves. Everywhere else people say what country they are from, but Americans are different and will cite ethnicity over their American Nationality for varying reasons.
for example let’s take someone from Mexico and Argentina, these are two distinct nations which may contain z multitude of different ethnic groups within it. People disregard Brazil having a bigger population of Japanese than Japan themselves. Would you call Japanese Brazilians “latino”? From a racial standpoint they don’t fit the stereotype, and they are asian. Now let’s take some German nazi descendants in Argentina, they don’t identify as “latino”, brown, or indio in any way I can tell you that much. White lahtenos know they are white. They are the one’s in positions of power the majority of the time, they are the one you see on Telenovellas, apparently most are not even Mexican anymore but European.
I think it’s actually just retarded. I only do these kinds of categorizations in a practical fashion. My racism is not fine-grained. I know that Hispanics mald about conflation between them, much in the same way that Asians get mad if you call them all “Chinese,” but all the important stereotypes to me apply across the board. I don’t think, “Ohhhh, you’re Cuban, not Mexican, that changes everything, let me go ahead and adjust the price I’m charging you over that shit, ese.” It’s why I mock your bringing up all these different groups that have like 1,000 people total in them, and compare these groupings to heavy metal subgenres. There’s a point where it doesn’t matter at all and I just don’t give a damn.
@NEETzsche@roboneko@CumskinFoidPuncher69420@leyonhjelm@caekislove that is precisely my point, but my belief for the reasoning is erasure not just an oopsie, latino isn’t considered a racial categorization by the U.S to the point where they label anyone under the latino as “white”. They even pressure on forms to pick latino if you have any descent from these countries, so you can be Black or Asian and labeled this way too.
@teratology I put two or more races to bypass their diversity quotas, but I might stop doing that. I get a feeling the diversity shit is about to see a really hard correction soon: "Sorry, our definition of an Earned Degree is one where affirmative action played no role in its acquisition, including the admissions process."
@teratology@CumskinFoidPuncher69420@leyonhjelm@caekislove@NEETzsche I was curious so I pulled up their demographic map. at least as of 2020 they don't consider "hispanic" or "latino" to be a race (seems to match your viewpoint) so it doesn't show up with that data, but they do publish ethnicity data which contains only that as the groups "hispanic or latino" and "not hispanic or latino"
personally I question the usefulness of distinguishing "hispanic or latino" from "black or african american" and the other racial categories. I don't see what practical purpose it serves
@roboneko@CumskinFoidPuncher69420@leyonhjelm@caekislove@NEETzsche I personally put 2 or more races to be more accurate but that’s what I’ve seen on pew research data as well, funny enough my Lebanese and Jordanian friends would be considered white on census data. I don’t understand why they made non latino and latino two distinct categories but that marker is on just about every legal document in the states.
@roboneko I wrote a World of Darkness game set a few decades from now where the United States fell and an American diaspora formed. There were "ethnic Americans," these sort of olive skin toned people who had a proclivity for being anti-police lolberts. He wrote mechanics for ethnic Americans to be able to manufacture small arms better than other people when they improvise it, for ethnic Americans to be able to smuggle goods past customs etc, and for ethnic Americans to sometimes have the Wanted Condition. If you had this condition, whenever law enforcement enters the scene, each officer rolls Perception to see if they notice you in the crowd. If they do, take a Beat (experience point) and roll initiative as they try to apprehend you.
If you're asking, yes, I think this might become reality for my kids or grandkids and it's not in my control.
> I don’t understand why they made non latino and latino two distinct categories but that marker is on just about every legal document in the states.
anti-discrimination research and enforcement I'm pretty sure. but that's the same reason (afaik) for the various "race" categories that they publish the data for. so as long as I'm not mistaken about that they should really just have a giant section full of of check boxes "select all that apply to you" and when they publish the data label it "groups" or something. I dunno I'm sure it would still piss someone off but seriously who cares
should add stuff like "north easterner" "southerner" "texan" "californian" it would actually be really interesting to see the percentage of people living in texas that identify as "californian" change over time :laugh:
@teratology It's already been a thing. I used to do those game jams in the mid to late 2010s and the flagship of the zine is a TTRPG ruleset that's being released gradually.
@roboneko Yeah, it was great. You had these ethnic Americans in Eastern Russian oblasts and the mechanics made any scene involving them seem like something out of a Western, because they were basically pulling gats out of hammer space and getting into shootouts with Russian cops while trying to move illegal electronics across the internal borders. And the people playing the game over the Internet started talking as though these ethnic Americans were effective in this role. You can go to the Americans to move your shit or to get guns.