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feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 22:50:40 JST 
feld
how exactly are people torrenting these days and not getting caught by their ISP? Is everyone just using seed boxes and VPNs and thinks that's an acceptable experience? -
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feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 23:04:54 JST
feld
> all the torrents I could find claimed to have a couple seeders, but nothing worked
> searched Usenet, found it, downloaded it (700MB) in about 5 seconds -
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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 23:06:08 JST 
Sexy Moon
@feld seedbox in the netherlands yeah -
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feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 23:06:08 JST
feld
I really need to teach you how to pirate like a pro -
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feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 23:08:45 JST
feld
People also don't understand that Usenet hosters are legally protected under Common Carrier. That's why all the Usenet providers in USA haven't been raided and shut down. meso and get@glee.li :adm1::adm2: repeated this. -
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feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 23:11:52 JST
feld
Most of the stuff I want is new tho.
It's nice having things auto download like 1 hour after it's released to the public on streaming services etc 😇
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narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 23:11:53 JST 
narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:
@feld simple - just don't download fresh new stuff off public popular trackers. Use private trackers, use less popular trackers, use foreign (rutracker) trackers, or just don't download fresh new stuff and wait couple of years. -
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feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 23:14:24 JST
feld
Maybe I should make a video showing how good piracy can be. -
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7666 (7666@comp.lain.la)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 23:14:25 JST 
7666
@feld why are seedboxes not an acceptable experience, I don't want to deal with a torrent client running 24/7 on my main PC for 1,800 torrents -
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Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem: (tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 23:16:09 JST 
Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:
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Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem: (tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 23:17:38 JST
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@feld Which Usenet provider did you use? -
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feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 23:20:05 JST
feld
I mainly use Astraweb Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem: likes this. -
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feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 23:20:35 JST
feld
Have you ever downloaded a torrent at 2gbit/s ?
I'll take my ghetto S3 -
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:blank: (i@declin.eu)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 23:20:36 JST 
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@feld the rest of the world doesn't have this problem, but as you mention in the thread, the ghetto S3 bucket that is USENET in the states is the best option -
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feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 23:30:51 JST
feld
Usenet isn't centralized...? It's decentralized by design. -
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:blank: (i@declin.eu)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 23:30:53 JST
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@feld truly the power of paying for a centralized service -
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feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 23:33:42 JST
feld
@Moon
Ok here you go, here's how piracy works.
Today's demo: Hook (1991). I have fond memories of this movie. I have lots of storage, so let's get the full 4K Bluray! -
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Luke (luke@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 23:38:12 JST 
Luke
@feld mostly people download and run, it’s uploading that seems to get you in trouble.
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feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 23:38:12 JST
feld
but uploading happens while you're downloading and torrent clients that intentionally block that should get rejected from the swarm. Or at least at one time that specific feature was being worked on. I swear it became a thing, though. -
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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 23:40:21 JST
Sexy Moon
@feld @tk torrents have a lot more random stuff that i want to get, i am assuming usenet is mostly formal piracy releases. Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem: likes this. -
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Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem: (tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 23:40:56 JST
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@Moon @feld Is formal piracy when pirates wear tuxedos? -
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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 23:45:57 JST
Sexy Moon
@feld @7666 let me detail my process: I have a seedbox. I am too lazy to use the seedbox. I let a friend use the seedbox all they want, in exchange I ask them to find and download stuff for me, and they do it. -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 23:45:57 JST 
Fediverse Contractor
Why don’t you just pay for things you like instead of being a thief? -
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7666 (7666@comp.lain.la)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 23:50:58 JST
7666
@feld @Moon you're assuming all my torrents are movies
now do this for Linux ISOs -
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feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 11-May-2023 23:50:58 JST
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Okay :nsacloud: -
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SlicerDicer (slicerdicer@bikeshed.party)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 00:01:09 JST 
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@tk @Moon That’s how Blackbeard did it. He downloaded the treasure. Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem: likes this. -
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feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 00:06:38 JST
feld
You'll never get these download speeds with torrents, and you don't have to rely on the goodwill of strangers to keep their seed boxes online -
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7666 (7666@comp.lain.la)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 00:06:39 JST
7666
@feld @Moon this really doesn't seem fundamentally different from just grabbing a torrent off a tracker (private or otherwise) except for the underlying download protocol -
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feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 00:10:41 JST
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I get these speeds on *every* download though. 🤷 -
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7666 (7666@comp.lain.la)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 00:10:42 JST
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@feld @Moon i self host my seedbox and i wouldn't get these speeds anyway on my symmetrical gigabit line (close, but not quite)
i have definitely gotten 100 MB/s+ on a well seeded torrent before though, so it's possible that I could have gotten more if I had a bigger pipe -
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KitlerIs6" (kitleris6@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 00:26:56 JST 
KitlerIs6"
Just don't watch bad movies (all of them) Fediverse Contractor likes this. -
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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 00:26:57 JST
Sexy Moon
@bot @feld @7666 I was pirating, then I got Netflix because it was easier and had tons of movies. then Starz removed their movies from Netflix in 2011 and I couldn't get the movies I wanted to see anymore so I just went back to pirating. Now we are back to dozens of mediocre streaming services, fuck them. -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 00:33:08 JST
Fediverse Contractor
He could also just buy the bluray or get a digital copy from itunes. -
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Anornymorse (anornymorse@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 00:34:35 JST 
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@bot @feld @7666 @Moon Some of us cut cheques directly to artists they support, when sending them fan mail, to pay them for the mp3's we downloaded.
The idea came from PayLars.com back in the day, when Metalligreed started suing their fans.
Movies, though? I'm not paying money to a megacorporation so I can digest their war propaganda, and I frankly consider anyone who does to be legally retarded. -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 00:34:35 JST
Fediverse Contractor
Why are you voluntarily choosing to watch “war propaganda” from “megacorporations”? -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 00:38:24 JST
Fediverse Contractor
Um yea if ppl spent their time and resources making something you enjoyed, you should pay them for their work. This commie tranny paradise you’re envisioning is delusional. -
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7666 (7666@comp.lain.la)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 00:38:25 JST
7666
@bot @feld @KitlerIs6 @Moon bot capitalist bootlicking arc -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 00:46:08 JST
Fediverse Contractor
Dumb take tbh. Movie production is complicated and involves a lot of ppl, I guarantee you know nothing about the industry.
The muh execs thing is like saying Elon or whatever should distribute their wealth equally to everyone so we all get like 50 cents. -
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meso (meso@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 00:46:09 JST 
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@7666 @feld @KitlerIs6 @bot @Moon most of the money doesnt actually reach the people who made it just the execs, yeah. some academics recommend you use stuff like scihub because they dont actually receive the fees you pay for scientific papers. and most will send you the paper for free if you ask them nicely -
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7666 (7666@comp.lain.la)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 00:46:10 JST
7666
@bot @feld @KitlerIs6 @Moon i'd rather donate directly to the people who made it than contribute to the two dozen middlemen involved in shafting the artists and extracting profit from their hard work
surely even you can see that the entire chain from conception to production to distribution is poisoned by wealth hoarding, self serving execs -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 00:46:41 JST
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But yea, the scientific publishing industry is 100% a scam. -
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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 00:54:48 JST
Sexy Moon
@bot @meso @feld @7666 @KitlerIs6 everybody who worked on a movie should get residuals, even the people that held up the light reflectors. -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 00:54:48 JST
Fediverse Contractor
No. That’s like saying Starbucks employees should have a union, it’s dumb because their “skill” is literally operating a coffee machine. The light reflector ppl voluntarily agree to the terms of their employment. -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 01:08:42 JST
Fediverse Contractor
They do. Every single Starbucks employee is free to take their coffee pouring skills and start their own coffee business that pays all of their employees $45 an hour (plus benefits!) to operate a coffee machine. Or to work for a competitor, and there are many. -
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meso (meso@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 01:08:44 JST
meso
@bot @feld @7666 @KitlerIs6 @Moon okay, but they are people and starbucks would be nothing without them. they should own their own labor -
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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 01:09:41 JST
Sexy Moon
@meso @feld @7666 @KitlerIs6 @bot if you put up capital you should get a bigger return than people that just worked for wages but everyone should still get a cut morally. Fediverse Contractor likes this. -
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meso (meso@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 01:09:42 JST
meso
@bot @feld @7666 @KitlerIs6 @Moon Elon should not be worth $250 billion, his employees are the rightful owners of most of that money :pepe: -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 01:10:58 JST
Fediverse Contractor
You don’t have the basis to collectively bargain if your “skill” can be taught to literally anyone in like 30 minutes. -
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get@glee.li :adm1::adm2: (get@glee.li)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 01:11:00 JST 
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@bot @meso @feld @7666 @KitlerIs6 @Moon
"That’s like saying Starbucks employees should have a union" -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 01:14:20 JST
Fediverse Contractor
How are they not free to do that? They could literally buy a cart and start their own business. -
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meso (meso@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 01:14:22 JST
meso
@bot @feld @7666 @KitlerIs6 @Moon >free to take their coffee pouring skills and start their own coffee business
They are not, lol
And competitors do the same shit. you shouldnt have to move to another company to have basic dignity anyway -
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feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 01:15:13 JST
feld
What ISP? You're in the USA?
ps I like your PleromaFE theme -
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Parker Banks (parker@pl.psion.co)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 01:15:14 JST 
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@feld
>not getting caught by their ISP
My ISP knows I torrent all the time. If it's something important (e.g., a very recent movie), they send me a complaint email, then proceed to do nothing. They send out thousands upon thousands of those emails every day. -
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KitlerIs6" (kitleris6@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 01:15:23 JST
KitlerIs6"
tbf I think starbux employees probably have it relatively good compared to many other industries. Sure it might not be what I'd want for society but it's kinda rich when you hear those types complaining about their working conditions when a lot of people with much harder jobs have lower wages and/or worse conditions. Fediverse Contractor likes this. -
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feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 01:16:24 JST
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that would explain it :)
It's a lot more serious in the USA. -
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Parker Banks (parker@pl.psion.co)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 01:16:25 JST
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@feld I'm in Canada, and thank you. -
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feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 01:18:14 JST
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Violating copyright is a crime worse than murder in this country Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem: likes this. -
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Parker Banks (parker@pl.psion.co)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 01:18:15 JST
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@feld I thought you people were all about freedom and YeeHaw and whatnot? -
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Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem: (tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 01:20:34 JST
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@feld @parker What about possession of cannabis? -
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feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 01:21:21 JST
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let me check the guidelines first: Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem: likes this. -
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feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 01:23:25 JST
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yeah the crypto export laws are annoying. Very familiar with the pain those people go through // doing the hackathons outside the USA -
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Parker Banks (parker@pl.psion.co)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 01:23:26 JST
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@feld That's like OpenBSD being based in Canada, so that it wasn't subjected to US export restrictions, and US developers having to cross the border to "legally" install OpenBSD. -
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GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 01:24:57 JST 
GNU Too
My ISP doesn't give a shit. If you're going to download something made by #Disney, turn the VPN on first. -
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GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 01:26:37 JST
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@parker @feld @tk @KitlerIs6 @meso @bot @get @Moon @7666 @anornymorse @SlicerDicer @Luke @i @hj common carrier? hhhWhat? get@glee.li :adm1::adm2: likes this. -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 01:29:30 JST
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You could probably buy everything you need to start a mobile coffee business for like $1000. They may have to stop buying weed for a few months but it’s doable.
Anyway, the idea that Starbucks employees can dictate their terms of employment doesn’t work because they’re easily replaceable. Skilled labour striking is effective because they aren’t, that’s the difference. -
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KitlerIs6" (kitleris6@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 01:29:31 JST
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There's a couple of problems with this:
1. People who work at starbucks work at starbucks because they don't have much money. And since they work at starbucks they *won't* have much money anytime soon. So they are completely priced out of starting a competitor (if their contract even allows them to).
2. Companies which try to pay their workers a fair wage have to compete with companies that abuse their workers and hire immigrants. Granted usually there's room in corporate profits to pay workers better, but if you are publicly traded you can't just pay your workers whatever you want because your investors get to tell you what to do.
2.5. Even if you do treat your workers right, manage to turn a profit and grow your business, you will be growing much slower and forced into a niche due to other companies having an economic advantage of using pseudo slave labor.
3. Usually people who are making shit wages don't have a lot of free time. They work long hours or multiple jobs and live paycheck to paycheck. Sometimes this is the result of overspending, a lot of times it isn't. This means they don't have much time to search for better jobs (and you do have to search for them as better jobs are rare to find since everyone wants one). They also don't have much time to learn new skills to branch out into different industries. -
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GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 01:30:59 JST
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@feld 2gbit/s?!? where the heck do you live? in my part of the world I'm paying for the fastest speed available 18 mb/s down -
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GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 01:32:54 JST
GNU Too
@bot why? why do you always bring this up. It's not stealing, you know it's not stealing, yet you tow the company line, because reasons? Another Linux Walt Alt likes this. -
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feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 01:42:42 JST
feld
Miami, FL
I can get 5gbit right now, 10gbit coming soon (and up to 25gbit allegedly slated for 2025-ish) but I don't see a point in upgrading to 5gbit at the moment. I know my server's NVMEs could handle the downloads anyway... -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 01:48:16 JST
Fediverse Contractor
What you guys are basically arguing for is a state enforced system that guarantees a certain quality of life for unskilled workers. It’s called minimum wage, but that’s also complicated. -
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7666 (7666@comp.lain.la)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 01:48:17 JST
7666
@bot @meso @feld @KitlerIs6 @Moon you're on the right track here but in an opposite light: highly skilled/qualified workers don't have as much pressure to unionize because they can leverage their skills to their benefit or threaten to go elsewhere, forcing the employer into a mutually beneficial arrangement
replaceable workers absolutely need unions or they will be trampled upon because the employer can go "i'll just replace you lmao" because the training period and HR overhead is far lower for these workers - forcing the worker, who is likely far more vulnerable due to their status, to accept abusive compromises or be thrown out the door, unable to feed themselves / their family
when every corporation hiring "unskilled" workers does this, the illusion of choice becomes quite apparent -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 01:53:03 JST
Fediverse Contractor
It is stealing, just in an abstract way. If you hire someone to like clean your gutters or something and then refuse to pay them, have you done something wrong in your opinion? You didn’t physically take anything from them!!! -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 01:54:23 JST
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Also, it’s toe the line. -
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KitlerIs6" (kitleris6@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 02:02:13 JST
KitlerIs6"
You'd also need a business license and probably a food specific license and a permit to sell as mobile food businesses have a lot of regulations. You'd need contacts and contracts with suppliers, and most importantly you'd need a lot of money to pay for your own expenses for the first few months to few years that you aren't profitable.
But I don't disagree that it's impractical for low skill laborers to unionize, at least in an open boarders multiculti "country". If we lived in a proper nation it might be different. -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 02:02:13 JST
Fediverse Contractor
It’s an oversimplification obv but many ppl have started successful businesses with very few resources. Most ppl just don’t have the drive or ability to do it tho. -
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GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 08:31:34 JST
GNU Too
@bot in that case you didn't pay your workers, in what you are describing all the workers have already been paid, some capitalist are hoping to steal your money they didn't earn. -
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GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 08:48:47 JST
GNU Too
@feld gotcha, some big city that no self-respecting person would live. -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:19:07 JST
Fediverse Contractor
You seem to lack a complete understanding of how business works (many such cases), especially business which requires a lot of up front capital. -
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GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:24:23 JST
GNU Too
@bot not a misunderstanding, I understand just fine, I just don't value their capital, and either should you. -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:28:39 JST
Fediverse Contractor
That doesn’t make any sense. It’s so tiring coming up with examples that clueless autistics can understand.
It’s like if a developer builds a skyscraper… it takes stupid amounts of money to make that happen. Then you come in and say, “hey, why are you charging me money to lease this space??? It already exists, and the workers have been paid!!!!! This is an outrage!!!! Why isn’t it free, or as cheap as renting space in a two story building???!!” -
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GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:31:31 JST
GNU Too
You don't need a government to do that, in fact militant unions have a higher success rate than depending on politicians and burecrats. get@glee.li :adm1::adm2: likes this.meso and get@glee.li :adm1::adm2: repeated this. -
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KitlerIs6" (kitleris6@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:31:36 JST
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He's saying he literally just expects people to waste money making movies only to have them pirated, because he doesn't care about their money.
He understands that making it free means investors operate at a loss, he just expects them to still invest their money for some reason.Fediverse Contractor likes this. -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:34:35 JST
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So you think it’s reasonable for Starbucks workers to kill their executives when they can no longer afford to buy their marijuana every month AND pay their rent? KitlerIs6" likes this. -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:37:41 JST
Fediverse Contractor
It just doesn’t make any sense. I don’t even understand the point. Like creative work has no value? Or all creative work is equally valuable? (It’s not btw). -
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GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:37:48 JST
GNU Too
@bot @KitlerIs6 @feld @7666 @get @meso @parker @tk @Moon @anornymorse @SlicerDicer @Luke @i @hj https://gnusocial.jp/url/934788 get@glee.li :adm1::adm2: likes this. -
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KitlerIs6" (kitleris6@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:41:18 JST
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My only guess is shortsightedness combined with blind hatred of anyone with money at all. Marxist types really baffle me, I've had them call me "the worst conservative ever" after I said we should take money from billionaires to pay for social services instead of taking over half the income of people who make $100k a year.
I guess they just really hate successful people that they thing society should be structured around spiting them -
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meso (meso@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:42:10 JST
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@bot @gnu2 yes it is -
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el que zee (lqz@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:45:26 JST 
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@meso @bot @gnu2 oh no it's this bot retard again with the retarded takes lmao
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get@glee.li :adm1::adm2: (get@glee.li)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:46:12 JST
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@gnu2 @meso @tk @feld @bot queen -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:53:49 JST
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Calm down sir. KitlerIs6" and el que zee like this. -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:55:55 JST
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Ok xir, what’s the hourly take home pay for the average professional “burger chef” given the tax rate in Denmark? -
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meso (meso@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 09:59:13 JST
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@bot @tk @feld @get @gnu2 much higher than the US -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:02:30 JST
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You’re wrong (as usual) it’s about the same, but the difference is that Denmark isn’t full of n words so dem programz aren’t a complete waste of taxpayer funds. -
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Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:03:14 JST 
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I know some people who live in Denmark and you are factually false. The tax rate is over 60% - the take home pay is not more. -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:03:43 JST
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I didn’t say it was more. -
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Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:04:06 JST
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Oh, I meant the person you were responding to lol. Fediverse Contractor likes this. -
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GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:04:27 JST
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@bot @KitlerIs6 all value is subjective. -
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KitlerIs6" (kitleris6@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:04:37 JST
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About $14 an hour take home. Equivalent take home of what $17 an hour would get you working in Florida (which has no state income tax). Fediverse Contractor likes this. -
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GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:05:09 JST
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@KitlerIs6 @bot #TaxationIsTheft regardless. -
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meso (meso@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:05:43 JST
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@Tony @tk @feld @get @gnu2 @bot >the take home is less
its not -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:05:58 JST
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t. know nothing retard -
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KitlerIs6" (kitleris6@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:06:00 JST
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Are you a libertarian socialist? -
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Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:07:03 JST
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The tax rate is higher - how is the take home more? lol
$20 per hour at 60% tax rate = $8/hr take home
$20 per hour at 30% tax rate = $14/hr take home -
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meso (meso@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:07:42 JST
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@Tony @tk @feld @get @gnu2 @bot its not 60% if youre getting paid $20 an hour -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:08:10 JST
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The fundamental difference is that the benefits aren’t wasted on Tyrone and LaQueesha. That’s actually why @KitlerIs6 is right in that sense. KitlerIs6" likes this. -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:08:52 JST
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You are retarded. Poor ppl in the US basically pay no taxes. -
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Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:09:00 JST
Mr. Bacon
The face value of your wage is not what shows up on your paycheck?
Minimum wage of $21/hr means wage before taxes - otherwise it would be minimum wage of $52.5 per hour?
I'm not disputing the value provided by a system like Denmarks, but thats just not how wages work lol. -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:10:03 JST
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Meso literally has never had any income so he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. -
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meso (meso@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:10:35 JST
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@Tony @tk @feld @get @gnu2 @bot got a source that people who are paid $21/hr in denmark get taxed 60%? -
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Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:10:46 JST
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Honestly, LaQueesha isn't even getting the money.
The dirty little secret of "benefits" in the US is that if you stay at a homeless shelter (at least in my city) the shelter takes 42% of your income for "the cost of living there". Lol Tyrone don't even get as many benefits as most conservatives think 😅 -
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KitlerIs6" (kitleris6@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:10:47 JST
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Really? -
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meso (meso@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:11:31 JST
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@Tony @bot @feld @get @gnu2 @tk :blobglasses:
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Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:11:40 JST
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@meso BEFORE TAXES ARE TAKEN OUT lol. The tax rate in Denmark is 60 something % -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:11:52 JST
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He’s claimed he’s a minor but that may be a weirdo transage thing. -
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meso (meso@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:13:05 JST
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@bot @tk @feld @Tony @get @gnu2 @KitlerIs6 I live in a country that taxes rather poor households like mine really heavily -
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Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:13:15 JST
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@meso
https://taxsummaries.pwc.com/denmark/individual/taxes-on-personal-income
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KitlerIs6" (kitleris6@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:13:18 JST
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LaQueesha is taking the ambeelance 4 times a month to go to the hospital because her fatass can't stop shoveling food down ther oversized gullet. Or she's getting dem benifeets for her keeds. Or food stamps ect. Fediverse Contractor likes this. -
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meso (meso@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:13:27 JST
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@bot @tk @feld @Tony @get @gnu2 @KitlerIs6 how do you know so many weird trans things -
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Ricky "Bender" LaFluer :nv: (evil_bender@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:14:00 JST 
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Ahhh yes, that $50/hr minimum wage.
Hey look! Gas is down to $28/gal today, hot damn!Fediverse Contractor likes this. -
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KitlerIs6" (kitleris6@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:14:42 JST
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So you don't live in the bulkans? -
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Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:15:12 JST
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@KitlerIs6 This is true - I went to my cities budget meeting and 53% of all collected taxes go to emergency medical services and 49% of all the taxes come from property tax.
In my state every single dollar of property taxes goes to bring laqueesha to the hospital for the 7th heart attack.
Also, laqueesha could go to the actual doctor, but is too illiterate to fill out the paperwork and instead goes to the emergency room (for the same care but like triple the price).Fediverse Contractor likes this. -
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meso (meso@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:15:32 JST
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@KitlerIs6 @tk @feld @Tony @get @gnu2 @bot I used to, and tax agencies are much less annoying there -
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Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:17:05 JST
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Tax agencies suck meso likes this. -
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Johnny Peligro :cirno: (mischievousutomatosu@boks.moe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:17:33 JST 
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@Tony @meso @tk @feld @get @gnu2 @KitlerIs6 @bot tax = CRINGE Fediverse Contractor likes this. -
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Ricky "Bender" LaFluer :nv: (evil_bender@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:17:35 JST
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I'm not saying there is a shortage of morbidly obese White's. But obesity, heart disease, diabetes and a myriad of diseases are the result of taco niggers and niggers. -
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KitlerIs6" (kitleris6@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:17:38 JST
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Yeah I've done a little bit of research and it seems like taxes there are very low even compared to America. Issue there is more lack of jobs in the first place from what I've seen. Fediverse Contractor and meso like this. -
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Johnny Peligro :cirno: (mischievousutomatosu@boks.moe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:17:50 JST
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@Tony @KitlerIs6 @bot @feld @get @gnu2 @meso @tk every person who evades taxes is the best -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:18:43 JST
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You can’t really impose crippling taxes on ppl that have nothing. -
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Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:19:09 JST
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There are lots of free clinics in the US, one of my exes used to work for the cities "diversity and equality department" and their biggest problem was literally that the minority communicates couldn't understand the paperwork or the difference between urgent care and a normal doctors office. 😅 Like the free services don't get used. because people don't actually understand the difference... -
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meso (meso@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:19:11 JST
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@Tony @tk @feld @get @gnu2 @KitlerIs6 @bot for what it's worth public services are pretty damn good here, especially healthcare. if they'd just be annoying to rich people instead of poor people about taxes thatd be real nic -
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GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:19:35 JST
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@MischievousuTomatosu @bot @feld @tk @meso @get @Tony @KitlerIs6 @MischievousuTomatosu word -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:19:47 JST
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It always shocks me how so many ppl that literally have zero clue pretend that they do. -
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Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:20:45 JST
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Rich people don't make income though. They use asset holdings to get loans and pay for things instead of taking an income.
At least in the US. Everyone bitches about rich people "paying their fair share" but the reality is that their tax returns don't actually show them making any money.
They fund their life styles with debt and credit, so they are technically always in the red.
The systems are set up this way so the middle class funds most of the taxes.meso repeated this. -
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Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:21:19 JST
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Hey, how you doin 😎 -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:21:33 JST
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That’s literally why niggers pay virtually zero taxes in the US and why the top 1% pay upwards of 40% of the tax burden. Why do you keep embarrassing yourself? -
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meso (meso@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:22:53 JST
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@bot @tk @feld @Tony @get @gnu2 @KitlerIs6 https://www.vox.com/videos/2019/12/20/21028676/tax-poor-rich-data-video -
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GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:23:32 JST
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@Tony @bot @feld @tk @meso @get @KitlerIs6 the middle class is a lie by the boss class to keep the working class fighting among ourselves rather than fighting back against their class war. It's not about money, it's about control. -
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Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:24:04 JST
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To be fair the tax code is one giant loophole for business owners and rich people.
Like it is hilarious how easy it is.
I drive like 40K miles per year (travel for work) and the US tax code allows for .67 cents per mile of write offs. So, each year I write off the first $26,800 I make and then because I'm a business owner and am subject to marginal tax rates, I don't pay anything until I cross 12000 in declared income.
Long story short, my tax rate up to around 40K is 0 lol -
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Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:24:40 JST
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Yah, I'll agree with this. It is. lol -
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meso (meso@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:24:57 JST
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@Tony @tk @feld @get @gnu2 @bot good troll :gnutroll: -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:25:14 JST
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An article with literally zero verifiable information. I’m not watching some troon cope video so try again pls. -
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meso (meso@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:25:46 JST
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@Tony @bot @feld @get @gnu2 @tk we do a little tax loopholes
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Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:26:11 JST
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It's not a troll - it's the law.
Argue about policy that matters instead of how easy it is to change your gender.meso likes this. -
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meso (meso@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:26:44 JST
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@Tony @tk @feld @get @gnu2 @bot that's what makes it a good troll -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:27:00 JST
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That’s not a loophole, it’s literally designed that way. -
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Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:28:29 JST
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The "make rich people pay their fair share" is the most hilarious propaganda I have every heard in my life. They never will because they change boring laws like mileage reimbursements that no one cares about... -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:29:29 JST
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You think you’re rich because you make more than $40,000 per year? -
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Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:32:23 JST
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Here's an even better one.
In real estate the purchase of an asset (multi family building) is considered a write off as it is a business expense.
So, I put 250K towards a 20 unit apartment building, I then hold the building for 10 years and my initial investment of 250K (which was a write off in the first place) is now worth 500k. I sell the asset and oh, no capital gains tax.
UNLESS I DO A 1029 EXCHANGE AND PURCHASE ANOTHER ONE! The 500K is now an expense, I get a write off and pay no capital gains tax on the gains because of the tax code.
If you time it correctly you can just roll real estate purchases bigger and bigger and never pay a cent in taxes.
LOOKING AT YOU BLACK ROCK AND YOUR TRILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENTS
Like the level of trolling that is happening via the tax code is SO MUCH WORSE than anyone even understand lmao -
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Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:33:15 JST
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Oh, no I'm not rich at all lol. I just don't like paying taxes lol. -
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Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:34:51 JST
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I don’t either but only because the benefits are given to hopeless n words. -
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Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:35:28 JST
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Yet they continue to try and burn the cities which are literally just handing them free rides... -
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Johnny Peligro :cirno: (mischievousutomatosu@boks.moe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:52:06 JST
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@Tony @meso @tk @feld @get @gnu2 @KitlerIs6 @bot tired -
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meso (meso@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:52:43 JST
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@MischievousuTomatosu @tk @feld @Tony @get @gnu2 @KitlerIs6 @bot selq -
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Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:53:00 JST
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Same…been slamming bang energies too late in the day and staying up until like 3am and then I’m so tired I have two more the next day and the cycle repeats -
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KitlerIs6" (kitleris6@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 10:55:25 JST
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From what I've heard from friends there ironically enough it sounds like their medical system is better than america's or england/candada's -
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KitlerIs6" (kitleris6@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 11:03:52 JST
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>the top 1% pay upwards of 40% of the tax burden
Lmao not it's middle class Whites, rich niggers and nigger niggers need to pay their fair share (all of it because they don't belong anyway) -
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Ricky "Bender" LaFluer :nv: (evil_bender@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 11:37:55 JST
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$132b for illegals alone is the cost to the US. I imagine niggers cost 5x that. -
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Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 11:38:08 JST
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Oh at least -
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KitlerIs6" (kitleris6@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 13:39:43 JST
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Ok so the 40% rate comes only from federal income tax, which is heavily biased towards poor people paying less compared to other taxes such as social security, sales tax, and property taxes.
Income tax was 53% of the federal revenue in 2022 (https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/statistics/percentage-revenue-source) while social security is 30%, and the latter cannot be avoided if you are poor as they still take it out of your paycheck. So already we're off to a bad start on "The 1% pay 40%", as it's 40% of 53% of federal income which doesn't even include state taxes.
Total federal income from taxes was $3.4 trillion in 2020. Total state and local income from taxes was $1.9 trillion in 2020. Of that 1.9 trillion, the majority (67%) was sales and property taxes (https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/gov-finances/tables/2020/2020_alfin_summary_brief.pdf), two types of taxes which hit poor people disproportionately compared to the rich (https://itep.org/whopays/). -
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meso (meso@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 13:44:00 JST
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@KitlerIs6 @tk @feld @Tony @get @gnu2 @bot
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KitlerIs6" (kitleris6@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 13:48:22 JST
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Also this is the source for the 40% figure (which is really 40% of 35%), it shows that the next 49% after the top 1% are paying 56% of taxes. Again though, this is only about 35% of taxes, and the 35% that most heavily leans on the rich instead of the poor. If you look at that other post's image you'll also see that on a state level the middle 60% get fucked the hardest on state taxes proportionally.
But basically a tl;DR is that the 40% number comes from picking the one and only tax where the rich are taxed heavily and the poor are exempt, while ignoring all the other tax sources which make up the majority of government income which either poor people aren't exempt from (social security) or actually impact poor people more (property and sales) -
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KitlerIs6" (kitleris6@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 13:49:05 JST
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What's a credit score? -
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Nigbot (nice-nigger@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 13:50:03 JST 
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trigger discipline is fo crackas :hug_apu: -
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Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 13:55:26 JST
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Nice -
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Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 13:57:35 JST
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This is actually really interesting KitlerIs6" likes this. -
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Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 13:57:51 JST
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Nigbot ima tax you -
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KitlerIs6" (kitleris6@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 14:01:27 JST
KitlerIs6"
https://www.self.inc/info/life-of-tax/
Here's another source that more directly looks at what % of total taxes paid is from each category. Only 14% is income related tax while over 50% is sales tax. So for the average person, only 14% of their paid taxes are paid using the progressive income tax system, while the remainder is paid through more regressive means. -
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KitlerIs6" (kitleris6@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 14:14:17 JST
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Social security/medicaid taxes are fucking rough, if you've ever worked a low income job and seen how much of your money went to that shit with no way of getting it back you'd know what I mean.
Also, social security/medicaid double dip and your employer has to pay the same amount you do, which means they pass that cost onto you by lowering your wages. This is another hidden tax that is not counted in that 40% figure. Also, like property and sales tax, it's both somewhat regressive (poor people pay bigger %) and a much bigger proportion of what poor people pay than what rich people pay.
https://taxfoundation.org/payroll-income-tax-burden/ -
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el que zee (lqz@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 17-May-2023 03:54:48 JST
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@bot @meso @gnu2 no -
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feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Wednesday, 17-May-2023 06:33:11 JST
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@gnu2 I grew up in a town of 700, I've done enough time knee deep in cow shit without any modern amenities
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