Conversation

Notices

Embed this notice
Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 11:56:55 JST Chris Trottier
- Fediverse News
I am officially searchable on #Tootfinder!
Check out this URL: http://tootfinder.ch/index.php?query=%40atomicpoet%40mastodon.social&submitquery=Search
Also see screenshot.
Let's see if enough people can make Fediverse search a proper thing!
@fediversenews
In conversation Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 11:56:55 JST from mastodon.social permalink
Attachments
1. Screenshot of Tootfinder indexing my posts.
  https://files.mastodon.social/media_attachments/files/109/921/941/665/299/027/original/22770c837b096bab.png
2. No result found on File_thumbnail lookup.
  
  Tootfinder
- Fediverse News repeated this.
- Embed this notice
  Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 11:56:51 JST Chris Trottier
  in reply to
  - Andres Jalinton
  @Andres I’ve had this conversation so many times.
  So here goes. Some people want to make public posts. They just don’t want to be indexed.
  Essentially, they want social discovery for the right group of people but to be hard to find by a different group.
  Mastodon doesn’t work that way. Nevertheless, that’s what they want.
  
  In conversation Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 11:56:51 JST permalink
  
  Fediverse News repeated this.
- Embed this notice
  Alan Martello (amart@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 11:56:51 JST Alan Martello
  in reply to
  - Andres Jalinton
  - Fediverse News
  @atomicpoet @fediversenews @Andres I wonder if it’s possible to have public groups that anyone can join but are protected from indexing by only allowing logged in users to access the URLs of the group. If you want to see posts without joining you need to solve captcha
  
  In conversation Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 11:56:51 JST permalink
- Embed this notice
  Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 11:56:53 JST Chris Trottier
  in reply to
  - Fediverse News
  The other thing to remember about #Tootfinder is that it’s a proof of concept.
  Yes, Google indexes more Fediverse posts.
  However, many people don’t like Google indexing Fediverse posts.
  You can argue whether or not public posts should be indexed—that’s not my concern.
  My concern is whether people who object to search will object to #Tootfinder—seeing how it’s explicitly opt-in.
  We’ll see in the coming days ?
  @fediversenews
  
  In conversation Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 11:56:53 JST permalink
- Embed this notice
  Andres Jalinton (andres@mastodon.hardcoredevs.com)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 11:56:53 JST Andres Jalinton
  in reply to
  
  @atomicpoet I think "not listed" works as "keep this post in the :fediverse: " so anyone can re-toot and interact, but it doesn't show to search engines.
  
  In conversation Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 11:56:53 JST permalink
- Embed this notice
  Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 11:56:54 JST Chris Trottier
  in reply to
  - Fediverse News
  After I opted in, it took me roughly one minute for my posts to show up in #Tootfinder.
  That's pretty fast!
  @fediversenews
  
  In conversation Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 11:56:54 JST permalink
- Embed this notice
  Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 11:56:54 JST Chris Trottier
  in reply to
  - Fediverse News
  Someone asked if their replies to me will show up on #Tootfinder
  No, they won't!
  This search is purely opt-in, and will only display posts from folks like me who blatantly want #Tootfinder to index them.
  Pretty sweet, right?
  @fediversenews
  
  In conversation Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 11:56:54 JST permalink
- Embed this notice
  Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 11:56:54 JST Chris Trottier
  in reply to
  - Fediverse News
  #Tootfinder removes your posts after 14 days.
  It doesn’t index your posts forever. This is not a permanent archive of your toots.
  Remember this when you’re using this search engine!
  @fediversenews
  In conversation Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 11:56:54 JST permalink
  Attachments
  1. Implementation Tootfinder uses the public Mastodon API for the profile and the JSON feed. The feeds are consulted on a optimized frequency, indexed in a SQLite database and deleted after 14 days. Check out the Tootfinder Wiki
    https://files.mastodon.social/media_attachments/files/109/922/046/707/418/863/original/2c8de4efd511935e.jpeg
- Embed this notice
  Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 12:54:10 JST Chris Trottier
  in reply to
  @Big_Diggity @fediversenews fediverse.info is pretty cool, actually. But that one is a directory for finding people to follow, and it’s based on hashtags.
  @dansup has some cool ideas for future implementations for it.
  In conversation Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 12:54:10 JST permalink
  Attachments
  1. Domain not in remote thumbnail source whitelist: fediverse.info
    
    fediverse.info
    
    The bespoke fediverse guide
  Fediverse News repeated this.
- Embed this notice
  Big Diggity (big_diggity@theres.life)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 12:54:11 JST Big Diggity
  in reply to
  - Fediverse News
  @atomicpoet
  How is this different than the #fedi22 idea on https://fediverse.info/explore/people ? Or is it the same idea?
  @fediversenews
  In conversation Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 12:54:11 JST permalink
  Attachments
  1. Domain not in remote thumbnail source whitelist: fediverse.info
    
    fediverse.info
    
    The bespoke fediverse guide
  Fediverse News repeated this.
- Embed this notice
  Simon Lucy (simon_lucy@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:30:25 JST Simon Lucy
  in reply to
  - TeaPolitics
  - Fediverse News
  @TeaPol @atomicpoet @fediversenews
  If it becomes mainstream then sure it should become configurable.
  My only doubts about it is that there's much less value in any search if there's a non deterministic indexing of content.
  In conversation Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:30:25 JST permalink
  Attachments
  1. Untitled attachment
  Fediverse News repeated this.
- Embed this notice
  TeaPolitics (teapol@toot.io)'s status on Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:30:26 JST TeaPolitics
  in reply to
  - Simon Lucy
  - Fediverse News
  @simon_lucy @atomicpoet @fediversenews
  I'm under the impression this is merely the first of many indexes and they might all start asking for different means of consent.
  Also it'd be cool if one could opt-in to indexing with a post instead of the whole account, which is a landmine without a special field.
  
  In conversation Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:30:26 JST permalink
  
  Fediverse News repeated this.
- Embed this notice
  Simon Lucy (simon_lucy@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:30:27 JST Simon Lucy
  in reply to
  - TeaPolitics
  - Fediverse News
  @TeaPol @atomicpoet @fediversenews
  Three characters?
  
  In conversation Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:30:27 JST permalink
- Embed this notice
  TeaPolitics (teapol@toot.io)'s status on Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:30:28 JST TeaPolitics
  in reply to
  - Fediverse News
  @atomicpoet @fediversenews
  My main question is if you could make it easier for the opt-in integrated directly into the UI.
  Losing characters in one's profile description due to the need for indexing is probably a challenge for some folks.
  
  In conversation Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:30:28 JST permalink
- Embed this notice
  stark@techhub:~$ █ (stark9837@techhub.social)'s status on Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:30:33 JST stark@techhub:~$ █
  in reply to
  @simon_lucy @TeaPol @atomicpoet @fediversenews
  So, how do you think should people opt-in for searching? I might just write my own solution to this in the form of a #relay or a service to #apps, which would enhance their search functionality.
  
  In conversation Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:30:33 JST permalink
  
  Fediverse News repeated this.
- Embed this notice
  Simon Lucy (simon_lucy@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:30:59 JST Simon Lucy
  in reply to
  @Stark9837 @TeaPol @atomicpoet @fediversenews
  I'm probably the wrong person to ask. My prejudice is that if it's public it should be searchable, in the context it was published at least.
  
  In conversation Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:30:59 JST permalink
  
  Fediverse News repeated this.
- Embed this notice
  Matthias Bürcher (buercher@tooting.ch)'s status on Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:31:18 JST Matthias Bürcher
  in reply to
  - TeaPolitics
  - Fediverse News
  @atomicpoet @TeaPol @fediversenews The first version was OAuth, but because the scope of an access token is so wide, this was controversial for a reason. It is not possible to OAuth on Mastodon only to prove ownership of the accoumnt. See https://tootfinder.ch/wiki/index.php?name=verification-of-consent
  In conversation Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:31:18 JST permalink
  Attachments
  1. No result found on File_thumbnail lookup.
    
    Tootfinder Wiki - Verification of consent
    
    'I passed the day skiing, a privilege of early 21th century, with splendid snow and sun and not too many people, it's friday.'
  Fediverse News repeated this.
- Embed this notice
  Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:31:19 JST Chris Trottier
  in reply to
  @TeaPol That’s a good question for @buercher.
  @fediversenews
  
  In conversation Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:31:19 JST permalink
  
  Fediverse News repeated this.
- Embed this notice
  Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:31:43 JST Jupiter Rowland
  in reply to
  
  Unfortunately, he seems to refuse to react upon bug reports for fediverse.info, whether they come from the Fediverse or via Matrix.
  
  Unlike Tootfinder, fediverse.info wasn't created for and geared towards only Mastodon; after all, it comes "from the makers of" Pixelfed.
  
  However, it still doesn't work with Hubzilla. It does work with Friendica, but it doesn't work with Hubzilla. I've written @dansup a number of times via the Fediverse and once via Matrix. I haven't even received a reply yet.
  In conversation Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:31:43 JST permalink
  Attachments
  1. Domain not in remote thumbnail source whitelist: fediverse.info
    
    fediverse.info
    
    The bespoke fediverse guide
- Embed this notice
  TeaPolitics (teapol@toot.io)'s status on Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:36:47 JST TeaPolitics
  in reply to
  @Stark9837 @simon_lucy @atomicpoet @fediversenews
  Do it.
  I think having a consent term in the profile or post is probably the least likley to cause un-intended opt-ins but if the consent is there the method isnt as important.
  
  In conversation Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:36:47 JST permalink
  
  Fediverse News repeated this.
- Embed this notice
  TeaPolitics (teapol@toot.io)'s status on Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:36:51 JST TeaPolitics
  in reply to
  - Matthias Bürcher
  - Fediverse News
  @buercher @atomicpoet @fediversenews
  I'm an idiot when it comes to OAuth. I'll take a look. Thanks!
  
  In conversation Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:36:51 JST permalink
  
  Fediverse News repeated this.
- Embed this notice
  TeaPolitics (teapol@toot.io)'s status on Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:36:59 JST TeaPolitics
  in reply to
  @simon_lucy @Stark9837 @atomicpoet @fediversenews
  Legally and functionally that's true, but I know some folks want their privacy that might not like that.
  
  In conversation Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:36:59 JST permalink
- Embed this notice
  Aswath Rao (aswath@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:37:02 JST Aswath Rao
  in reply to
  @TeaPol @buercher @atomicpoet @fediversenews Yes Mastodon support OAuth only w read/write access. It was discussed in the forum a few yrs back. Look for comments from @aaronpk. He advocated use of Permissionless OAuth as is done by IndieAuth. In the absence of that, @owncast has improvised it by sending OTP as a DM. They call it FediAuth.
  
  In conversation Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:37:02 JST permalink
- Embed this notice
  Kat M. Moss (katmmoss@social.faebornnetworks.org)'s status on Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:37:07 JST Kat M. Moss
  in reply to
  @TeaPol @Stark9837 @simon_lucy @atomicpoet @fediversenews Why is consent even a thing? I understand the consent for someone's data when it's a company collecting, but when it's being used to enhance the experience of both the internet at large and the experience of the poster being able to be discovered? Not wanting search is silly.
  
  In conversation Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:37:07 JST permalink
  
  Fediverse News repeated this.
- Embed this notice
  Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:37:09 JST Jupiter Rowland
  in reply to
  
  Not wanting the entirety of the Fediverse to depend on centralised services is sensible.
  
  At least some of us want the Fediverse to be and stay entirely decentralised. And we've got very good reasons for that.
  
  In conversation Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:37:09 JST permalink
- Embed this notice
  DDR (ddr@pony.social)'s status on Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:37:15 JST DDR
  in reply to
  @katmmoss @TeaPol @Stark9837 @simon_lucy @atomicpoet @fediversenews I think it's because sometimes people will use search to find and bully other people. It can be used for evil. I'm fine if my posts are searched, but others are more sensitive.
  
  In conversation Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:37:15 JST permalink
  
  Fediverse News repeated this.
- Embed this notice
  Kat M. Moss (katmmoss@social.faebornnetworks.org)'s status on Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:37:25 JST Kat M. Moss
  in reply to
  @ddr @TeaPol @Stark9837 @simon_lucy @atomicpoet @fediversenews True. Maybe I'm just too much of an open book for my own good, then. LOL
  
  In conversation Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:37:25 JST permalink
  
  Fediverse News repeated this.
- Embed this notice
  TeaPolitics (teapol@toot.io)'s status on Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:37:35 JST TeaPolitics
  in reply to
  @katmmoss @ddr @Stark9837 @simon_lucy @atomicpoet @fediversenews
  I think many are, but being sensitive to others needs is something only The Fediverse could provide.
  
  In conversation Sunday, 26-Feb-2023 13:37:35 JST permalink

Public

Conversation

Notices

Feeds