@anemone@creamqueen@meso@mia@teratology ALSO, just so you know my views aren't totally grim... A GREAT way to socialize kids is to have them hang out with groups of other kids their own age. They will, to a great degree, socialize each other. The other kids refusing to play with them for being disagreeable is a FAR more effective punishment than anything you could EVER do to them. In fact it's probably better for socialization than being a halfway good parent. So this kind of knowledge doesn't make things completely grimdark (which is how this probably looks to you). If you ever adopt, PLEASE make sure they get a lot of time around kids their own age from like 2 on.
@anemone@creamqueen@teratology@meso@mia what if they refuse to sit down. What if they start punching you in the legs when you try to make them stay? What if they bite you?
@anemone@creamqueen@meso@mia@teratology these things happen, and some people are born with a personality that they WILL try to push those limits to get their way.
@anemone@creamqueen@teratology@meso@mia OK, now you're sneaking a distinction in there. You're making a blanket statement that corporal punishment is necessarily narcissistc and based on the parents' emotional needs rather than the kid's. I argue that this overly gentle, ineffective parenting style is ALSO narcissistic and based on the emotions of the parents, but in this case them being unable to do what's actually necessary.
I'm not saying you HAVE to beat your kids. Just never unilaterally take it off the table if you don't even know what your own kid is like yet. Or what it's like to deal with a kid like that. Every human has limits, and kids are experts at pushing against them, to the greatest extent possible. At some point you just aren't capable of being both firm, consistent, and gentle anymore. You're arrogantly assuming your kindness and motherliness is so all-encompassing, so all-loving, it can defeat any tantrum. That may be true for some people, but you have limits, you have stress, you have a job, if you're responsible you have a husband (sorry I'm a traditionalist... I'm not categorically against gays adopting, I just need to see a lot more evidence of how kids so-raised turn out) to help you and you have your relationship with your spouse (ok fine I'll give you this one concession) to consider as well. Can you sacrifice your relationship with them if that's what the kid's behavior demands of you?
@anemone@creamqueen@meso@mia@teratology disagreeable kids don't "deserve" to be punished. They can become completely normal adults who are able to have relationships with people, can love and all that gay shit. But they have to get control. And you have to do that for them until they can do it themselves, whatever it takes. And they will love you for it.
@anemone@creamqueen@meso@mia@teratology humanity is becoming more agreeable over time. This much I think is certain. Maybe someday hitting a kid CAN be something that's just unthinkable because it's actually never necessary. I don't think we're gonna get there yet for another 500 years at least, though, and that's IF we don't backslide into some idiotic road warrior dark age.
one of my sisters tried that style, and wouldn't you know it for her only kid she ended up with a live wire. they were completely helpless to impose any discipline on him, because they would never lay down the law. He would hit, he would bite, he would take other kids toys and break them. he would be awake at 2am, having gotten his mother's phone out of her purse and playing it when he wasn't supposed to NEGOTIATING for five more minutes on a phone that he SHOULD ABSOLUTELY NOT HAVE HAD ACCESS tO.
I had to say out loud (I have a habit unfortunately) "why is this even a question?" Like just take it away and put him to bed, this is unacceptable!
dunno what's gonna happen to him, but he spends a lot of time with his cousins and they were raised pretty well, so they're rubbing off on him. He behaves when he's around them, because they will just stop playing with him if he gets mean. A group of five to seven year olds was able to do what his parents were helpless to.
@creamqueen@anemone@meso@mia@teratology I've been saying "beat" in this thread when I mean any kind of striking... I don't mean actually punching kids, I mean spanking or slapping, and NEVER in anger. You don't raise your voice when punishing, it's not about anger it's about consequences.
Honestly there's no reason to ever go to the exent of punching kids.
@lunarised@shinmera I'm weirded out that columbo is suddenly showing up everywhere I look. I tried to figure out the most obscure pieces of american media that I knew about, and I decided it had to be columbo. I didn't even know what it was, I'd just heard it mentioned. Now I'm seeing it in anime parodies, fucking fedi memes, 4chan posts it goes on and on. I went like 15 years never seeing columbo anywhere except a late night advertisement for some retro programming block on one of those "bonus" HD over the air local channels. Now I see it everywhere.
@get@Forestofenchantment@Cocoa@sapphire no slsk has a centralized server... it's just been up for decades now mostly uninterrupted I don't know why the riaa etc hasn't shut it down
@bot@teratology >I feel like you don't even have any investments tbh. Do you? >You're confusing gambling with long term investment >Sort of but not really, >You're literally ... thats what you should be concerned with >You're confusing shareholders with controlling interests smh >I don't think you know a lot about business tbh
@bot@teratology I have bought physical assets (property).... but you know what I don't really care to continue this conversation. I'm not sure if it's the subject matter or if you're bloodthirsty from arguing with another woman (intersting how keyed up you get in a catfight) but yeah I'm done. You're not interested in the ideas you're discussing you're only interested in status posturing which it's insane that you think I care about.