Notices by jonathanpeterson (jonathanpeterson@hachyderm.io)

@inthehands @Voline My gut when I saw the returns and some of the details on downballot initiatives was that more nice white ladies were racist, and more men of color were misogynist than I realized.

But that said, it feels like the fundamental problem is that us blue state/bubble liberals are failing to talk to folks to the left of us as well as folks who are more traditional. Rolling up the drawbridge and failing to have real conversation with folks we disagree with ain't working.

@mekkaokereke Thanks, that's a totally fair assessment and mental reset. Looking at the CNN exit polls more closely latino men swung hugely and Trump winning Gen Z were the biggest surprises.

I really felt like she ran an incredibly good campaign in a super short time. Gaza was a headwind with young people especially POC. In the last month or so much of the anticorporate populism went away for calling out Trump as a fascist. Seemed to cost a lot of momentum.

@mekkaokereke looking at change from prior election in a single demographic group without looking at other factors isn't illustrative. Harris lost ground to Biden across most demographics. How much of that is economy? racism? misogyny?

The Georgia exit polls and the disconnect on issues looks overwhelming (election security, who can handle race issues or crisis, federal hurricane aid). Foreign policy was invisible. Voting for the candidate, vs. against opponent.

https://abcnews.go.com/Elections/georgia-exit-polls-2024-us-presidential-election-results-analysis

@inthehands I'm fine with being behind my POC sisters for that apology, they've been waiting for a couple hundred years already. But as a middle-aged white man who believes in democracy and equality, Imma need an apology of my own before I have any interest in listening to (certainly paying FOR) the LA Times, WaPo, WSJ, etc.

@inthehands @donaldball I couldn't have been more proud of John Lewis as my congressman. He was a loud and persuasive voice against war - from his application as a conscientious objector to Vietnam in 1961 (it took 3 years for him to become the first black CO in the state of Alabama) through the end of his life. But it was his base in Atlanta that made that activism possible.

@inthehands That entire thread of conversation is 100% on target. I'm not a journalist, I'm an engineer. But I did go through journalistic ethics training when I was at CNN and helped launch CNN.com. The right long since abandoned mainstream media because they thought it was biased against them. It's not becoming very clear that it's ALSO biased against ANYTHING that doesn't maximize the drama and thus eyeballs and ad revenue of politics.

@harpaa01 @inthehands Funny. With that translation in hand, I see "we often strongly disagreed", but he was really smart and had a long term view for getting his way and even after being booted from formal public role he kept on pushing his really bad ideas. We're better off without him, but I feel bad for his wife and kids and anyone who didn't dislike him as much as I did.

@EdSanders @mekkaokereke I gave up about 1/4 way through reading the study, for just that reason. It seemed to be trying REALLY hard to equate black folks not trusting American institutions with QANON style craziness. Sure there are some nutty anti-vaxing POC, just like white folks. But almost all POC know about Henrietta Lacks and the Tuskegee Experiment. Did I somehow miss actual history of democrats keeping adolescent sex slaves/adrenochrome donors in the basement of pizza joints?

@noyes @EdSanders @mekkaokereke @beadsland TIL Democrats spread Covid and are somehow at fault for the GOP poster boy Netanyahu waging genocide.

@noyes @EdSanders @mekkaokereke @beadsland

Covid spread most quickly in cities before we knew how to handle it. Once we knew, things reversed and deaths were overwhelmingly in GOP parts of the country. If you believe otherwise, feel free to educate me. I particularly want to hear about "disinformation amplified through state apparatus"

Congress members who wanted to keep supporting Ukraine had to tie that funding, to border security and Israel funding to get it passed. Who's fault?

@mekkaokereke @noyes @EdSanders @beadsland Cuomo's early response was horrific. But it was the hottest hotspot in the country, which kind of amplified mistakes that were pretty universal as we learned more about the virus. Of course what some places did worked better than others - the nature of real time experimentation with a global public health emergency. African culture has dealt with emerging viral threats for millenia - traditional solutions require sacrifice westerners don't like.

@mekkaokereke @noyes @EdSanders @beadsland I agree 100%. Cuomo did a LOT wrong with covid. It didn't make a lot of national news because news was everywhere and NY's disaster was an outlier and watched most closely by New Yorkers. But ignoring CDC recommendations was overwhelmingly something happening in GOP areas and not Democrat one. My black, Democrat mayor TRIED to execute those policies and was overruled by the white, Republican governor. That wasn't unique to Atlanta.

@mekkaokereke @noyes @EdSanders @beadsland The white, Republican president was pushing states and federal agencies to ignore best practices to save lives to reopen the economy and try to save his reelection campaign.

@mekkaokereke @noyes @EdSanders @beadsland But claims that Democrats are uniquely, systemically and purposely misinforming citizens is a pretty significant claim from @noyes

IMO - Democrats are a lot like Churchill's quote about Democracy being the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried.

But in a world where state level propaganda attacks on reality and attempts to influence politics are a reality, blame without alternatives seems pointless.

@mekkaokereke @noyes @EdSanders @beadsland No question. The US failure to invest in sound public health, use of a pandemic as a political wedge issue and cultural resistance to minimal sacrifice, lack of science education, etc was a systemic and cultural failure. Sitting on the porch hearing car horns honking and people cheering at healthcare shift change o'clock was amazing. Pretty much everything else showed me that my country is horrifically and maybe terminally flawed.

@inthehands @justafrog @mekkaokereke The power of government exists to protect people like me from "others". Donald Trump is "like me", hence government (especially when embodied by DAs, prosecutors and jury members who are "others") is out of control and to be resisted.

It's a remarkable realization.

@inthehands To be fair, Trump is just saying the quiet part out loud. It's not like oil companies don't know which party is happy to let them spill oil across the Gulf of Mexico, Alaskan wilderness and native american reservations, while boiling the oceans with global warming in the quest to keep giant pedestrian crushing trucks red state america loves to drive supplied with cheap gas.

@inthehands Oh, that's a good one. But you can't mention it without the real nightmare fuel of a photo.

Might be worse than Cordycepts (google BBC cordecepts video and decide for yourself)

@lesley @inthehands @mekkaokereke ARE there "weed out" intro courses though? It's been a long time since my undergrad days, but weed stuff was usually late 2nd year, when there were gateways to move to adjacent disciplines.

@inthehands fair