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   mekka okereke :verified: (mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 21:23:04 JST mekka okereke :verified:

   Every. Single. Election.

   White people, usually white women, get so mad at me for predicting that more white women will vote GOP. I don't argue. I just say "Get back with me in November." They never come back in November.

   https://hachyderm.io/@mekkaokereke/113024120798863129

   Black folk often know more about how white US voters will vote. But it doesn't even feel good to be right. It's just... sad.🤷🏿♂️

   And about Latiné men... Latiné voters are not a monolith. And again, most Latiné voters, are white.🙃

   https://hachyderm.io/@mekkaokereke/113394985768838212

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     mekka okereke :verified: (mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 21:33:26 JST mekka okereke :verified:

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     But hey, let's be clear: I called Harris, and I was wrong. Yes, I was right on all the small calls, but I got the big one wrong. I thought they would win Pennsylvania.

     Harris still ran a great campaign, except for this mess.

     https://hachyderm.io/@mekkaokereke/113300928509292702

     https://hachyderm.io/@mekkaokereke/113294950207913519

     I think she lost the election in September and October. Don't go after mythical swing voters. It doesn't work, and loses you Black turnout. 100K more Black voter turnout in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and Harris would've won

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     Misuse Case (misusecase@twit.social)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 21:33:54 JST Misuse Case

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     @mekkaokereke White women pulled away from Trump more than in the previous 2 presidential elections and he *still* won.

     Also, like, I cannot get over the populations of so many states voting to overturn abortion bans while also voting for Republicans. I guess racism (and misogynoir) really get white people to throw all sense and self-preservation out the window.

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     Duchamp Pérez (hugoestr@functional.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 21:39:11 JST Duchamp Pérez

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     @mekkaokereke Many latine are not White, especially are not seen as White by US standards. Yet they see themselves as White

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     Eric (ericmartin@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 21:39:21 JST Eric

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     @mekkaokereke

     As a life long resident I am all too familiar with the description of Pennsylvania as Philadelphia and Pittsburgh and Alabama in between.

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     Anil Dash (anildash@me.dm)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 21:42:32 JST Anil Dash

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     @mekkaokereke I mean.

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     Ornwen (ornwen@mstdn.social)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 21:55:30 JST Ornwen

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     @mekkaokereke “Don’t go after mythical swing voters” should be engraved on the walls of the DNC.

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     mekka okereke :verified: (mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 23:07:58 JST mekka okereke :verified:

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     • Sia Karamalegos

     @sia

     No, it's not scapegoat -y.

     And the "only the women without a college degree!" cope is silly, because most white women don't have a college degree. That's like saying "Only right handed women!"

     And the "trending down vs trending up" cope is extra silly, because trending down from 85% to 80% is still a massive vote against Trump, and trending up from 40% to 45% non-Trump is still a vote for Trump.

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     Sia Karamalegos (sia@front-end.social)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 23:07:59 JST Sia Karamalegos

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     @mekkaokereke I found the demographics article used here. I agree that more white women voted for Trump than Harris, but only those without a college degree. If I look at the trends and the rest of the data from the article, I see women trending down for trump while every category of men trended up. So yes, we can keep pointing the finger at white women but it's starting to feel a bit like scapegoating. We also can't know how much their husbands coerced their votes. https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2024/politics/2020-2016-exit-polls-2024-dg/

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     mekka okereke :verified: (mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 23:11:32 JST mekka okereke :verified:

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     • Sia Karamalegos

     @sia

     No, the entire country is not to blame.

     The people and groups that voted for him are to blame.

     For example, as a group, white women are one of the biggest voting blocks in this country. The majority of white women voters, voted for him. They are one of the groups most responsible for his election. The only group of similar size that votes for him more, is white men. Your womb is threatened by them.

     Your inability to cope with this is a big part of the reason that we are here.

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     Sia Karamalegos (sia@front-end.social)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 23:11:34 JST Sia Karamalegos

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     @mekkaokereke the entire country is to blame for this disaster. None of the groups are a monolith. None of the groups deserve blanket statements. My life and the lives of all people with wombs are at risk and we wake up to being blamed for the result of this election? I'm tired. It was a good argument in 2016. It's not a good argument in 2024.

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     mekka okereke :verified: (mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 23:19:19 JST mekka okereke :verified:

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     • Sia Karamalegos

     @sia

     And no one said that white women, or any group, is a monolith. No one said, "Every single white woman is to blame for Trump getting elected." That's silly.

     What I said, and that was accurate, is that the majority of white women voters, will vote for Trump in 2024, as they did in 2020, and 2016.

     The fragility that y'all display when Black people point this out is truly remarkable. It's a block that prevents you from doing anything to change this outcome in future.

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     mekka okereke :verified: (mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 23:25:49 JST mekka okereke :verified:

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     • Sia Karamalegos

     @sia

     For people mad at me for pointing out that this happened in 2016 and 2020, and for predicting that this would happen in 2024 and being right about it, then you're really going to be mad about this call:

     The majority of white women will vote against Black women in the 2028 election as well.🤷🏿♂️

     I'm not arguing with y'all about this. This is not a debate. This is me telling y'all what's going to happen, and you disagreeing with it right up until the point that you see that I'm right.

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     mekka okereke :verified: (mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 23:33:16 JST mekka okereke :verified:

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     • Sia Karamalegos

     @sia

     🤦🏿♂️
     Your racism is showing. Because you act like Black women don't exist.

     This "white women doing harm and not wanting to be held accountable for it" and "white women tears" complex is extremely dangerous, specifically for Black women.

     Your definition of feminism is not intersectional, so I reject it outright.

     I'm immune to accusations of sexism that come from white feminism. I put no value in those empty words, because white feminism is one of the most potent weapons of white supremacy.

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     Sia Karamalegos (sia@front-end.social)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 23:33:17 JST Sia Karamalegos

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     @mekkaokereke I'm sorry but your sexism is showing. By only pointing out white women again and again. Like only white women are a monolith and have the responsibility for preventing trump. Let's ignore all the other groups in the room and put this at women's feet again

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     mekka okereke :verified: (mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 23:37:12 JST mekka okereke :verified:

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     • Sia Karamalegos

     @sia

     I'm not here to make you feel good about yourself, or to let Dems feel like the good guys.

     I'm here to combat racism, sexism, transphobia, xenophobia, Islamophobia, antisemitism, ableism, etc, in all their forms, no matter where they come from.

     I end up criticizing Dems more than GOP, because a lot of the racism comes from Dems, and other false allies.

     And I call out false allies on their nonsense.

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     mekka okereke :verified: (mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 23:42:38 JST mekka okereke :verified:

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     • Sia Karamalegos

     @sia

     And I'm not even going to address the nonsense claim that I don't call out the fact that the majority of white men voters support Trump. That's not even a credible statement. I've probably set some kind of Mastodon record for posts pointing out that white men voters support Trump. So your statement makes no sense.

     So you're not mad that I don't call out white men voters. Because you know that I do point that out. A lot.

     You're mad that I point out the white women voters thing *at all.*

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     Apologies if you already knew (il_fritz@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 23:48:19 JST Apologies if you already knew

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     @mekkaokereke

     Man, you are really fixated on berating white people. The truth is that Harris' disappointing performance cut across most cohorts. Whites, Latinos, Blacks, Asian

     I suppose because she didn't come across as having much of a personality besides being pro-abortion (which, let's make it clear, I totally agree with). But most people outside the mastodon bubble I have interacted with bring up cost of living as their #1 concern. And Ukraine as #2. She was VP while both things got worse

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     mekka okereke :verified: (mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 23:48:19 JST mekka okereke :verified:

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     @il_fritz

     Unless you interact with about 100 million people, the "most people I know" thing isn't representative. Anecdotes are not data.

     80% support is not "disappointing performance." In any normal system, that's an astronomical level of support.

     Most Hispanic people in the US, are white. Hispanic people are not a monolith, and Hispanic is not a race.

     I'm not "berating" white people. I'm pointing out who voted for who, and who will vote for who in the next election.

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     evana (evana@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 23:51:36 JST evana

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     @mekkaokereke Sadly, it looks like Pennsylvania fell short by at least 150k votes.

     The GOP margins in rural areas went way up. I can't tell yet how much is effective GOTV and how much is change in sentiment, but I'm sure it will get dissected much better than I can do.

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     mekka okereke :verified: (mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 23:54:38 JST mekka okereke :verified:

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     • Sia Karamalegos

     @sia

     Read my other posts. I don't curate every post for your personal consumption. I don't write for you.

     I've written literally thousands of posts on racism, primarily done by white men. The fact that I wrote a few pointing out racism done by white women is not a problem for me at all. It's a problem for you.

     Stop being so fragile and get out of my mentions. Go read my other posts.

     Or even better, go do something to try and change the outcome for next election.

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     Sia Karamalegos (sia@front-end.social)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Nov-2024 23:54:39 JST Sia Karamalegos

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     @mekkaokereke I didn't say that white women aren't racist. My issue is that you're only calling out white women. Why are you only calling out women? You're not calling out men at all. So it comes across as if it's all our fault. You're treating my group like a monolith but none of the other groups. I worked hard to register people to vote this election. I worked hard to get people to vote this election. I talked to my fellow white people. And black and brown.

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     mekka okereke :verified: (mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 00:01:51 JST mekka okereke :verified:

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     • Sia Karamalegos

     @sia

     🤦🏿♂️"You gave a pass to Latino men"

     No I didn't.

     https://hachyderm.io/@mekkaokereke/113394985768838212

     https://hachyderm.io/@mekkaokereke/110765044874239338

     https://hachyderm.io/@mekkaokereke/112915676919267172

     I don't write every single post to your satisfaction. I write what I write.

     Now can you go away please? You're really annoying.

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     Sia Karamalegos (sia@front-end.social)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 00:01:52 JST Sia Karamalegos

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     @mekkaokereke I don't actually follow you so, no I don't see your other statements about white men. I saw this one. You gave a pass to Latino men. You didn't mention other groups. You gave simplistic interpretations of only one group and ignored all the other groups that swung right while this one swung left even if the percent isn't enough yet.

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     mekka okereke :verified: (mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 00:08:45 JST mekka okereke :verified:

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     • Sia Karamalegos

     @sia

     "Sexism!" "Erasing!" 🤡

     I'm just waiting for you to try to work "gaslighting" into your replies, so that you can run the full bingo card of misused words, in your attempts to stop a Black man 🙋🏿♂️ from pointing out that the majority of white women voters voted for Trump.

     Use all the words you want! I'm not going to stop pointing it out.

     Less fragile white folk have no problem with it.👍🏿

     The fragile white folk are specifically the problem that I work against.

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     Sia Karamalegos (sia@front-end.social)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 00:08:46 JST Sia Karamalegos

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     @mekkaokereke thanks for erasing the work I did for this one. I never said you had to curate your posts for me. I'm pointing out some trends counter to your argument that it seems other people are pointing out to you too and trying to explain how blanket statements on any group are harmful.

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     mekka okereke :verified: (mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 00:10:08 JST mekka okereke :verified:

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     • Sia Karamalegos

     @sia

     Y'all thought I was kidding when I posted this. I was not kidding. The levels of fragility are ridiculous.

     https://hachyderm.io/@mekkaokereke/113220676086741840

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     mekka okereke :verified: (mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 00:12:05 JST mekka okereke :verified:

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     • Sia Karamalegos

     @sia

     Go. Away.

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     Sia Karamalegos (sia@front-end.social)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 00:12:07 JST Sia Karamalegos

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     @mekkaokereke literally my first statement was that I agreed that more white women voted for Trump

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     Darby Lines (angry_drunk@union.place)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 00:28:06 JST Darby Lines

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     @mekkaokereke As long as I've been following the game the Democrats have spent every election completely convinced that they've locked the "Latino" vote based on nothing more than "Hey, you hombres are brown too, right?"

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     Nyx Allocer (midnightraven@4bear.com)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 00:31:26 JST Nyx Allocer

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     @mekkaokereke People are Always so quick to ignore all the voter suppression going on. You cannot blame non voters when there are states where the lines are 8+ hours long in a workday and it's illegal for them to be given water or food.

     Also the BOMB THREATS AND BURNED VALLOT BOXES? REMEMBER THAT STUFF FROM LITERALLY LAST WEEK?!

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     mekka okereke :verified: (mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 00:34:25 JST mekka okereke :verified:

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     • Nyx Allocer

     @MidnightRaven

     Big facts.

     https://hachyderm.io/@mekkaokereke/112749477595704861

     https://hachyderm.io/@mekkaokereke/112753933389996815

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     wasabi brain (virtualinanity@toot.community)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 00:36:28 JST wasabi brain

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     @mekkaokereke what if I were to tell you that for losing 100k black votes I could get you two votes from the Cheney family, isn’t that a great deal?

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     Jake Miller (jakemiller@federate.social)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 00:36:42 JST Jake Miller

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     @mekkaokereke Thanks for your insights. Your mobilization/swing argument and prediction was in my head last night, and helps make sense of this. I will be curious to see how many Republican voters actually did switch and how that compares. It seems at first blush like Independents didn’t vote as “centrists,” but on a different axis.

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     jonathanpeterson (jonathanpeterson@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 01:21:16 JST jonathanpeterson

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     @mekkaokereke looking at change from prior election in a single demographic group without looking at other factors isn't illustrative. Harris lost ground to Biden across most demographics. How much of that is economy? racism? misogyny?

     The Georgia exit polls and the disconnect on issues looks overwhelming (election security, who can handle race issues or crisis, federal hurricane aid). Foreign policy was invisible. Voting for the candidate, vs. against opponent.

     https://abcnews.go.com/Elections/georgia-exit-polls-2024-us-presidential-election-results-analysis

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     mekka okereke :verified: (mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 01:21:41 JST mekka okereke :verified:

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     @il_fritz

     I'm not cherry picking anything.

     A group going from 10% Trump support to 20% Trump support, is still not supporting Trump. It's still less than 50%.

     This isn't a complicated concept to understand.

     If every group supports Harris by more than 50%, but one group supports Trump by more than 50%, and Trump wins, then it is because of the one group that supports Trump by more than 50%. Trump could not win without it.

     That one group is white voters.

     Half of Hispanic voters, are white.

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     Apologies if you already knew (il_fritz@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 01:21:42 JST Apologies if you already knew

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     @mekkaokereke

     It seems to me you are cherry picking what you decide to point out.

     Here are some interesting discussion points for Trump from exit polls:

     +13% UP among latinos (+18% for men, +7% for women)
     +6% UP among 18-25
     +4% UP among those without a degree
     -3% DOWN among whites (including women)

     https://www.reuters.com/world/us/results-nevada-exit-poll-us-presidential-election-2024-11-05/

     Another interesting result in the graph below.

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     mekka okereke :verified: (mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 01:25:38 JST mekka okereke :verified:

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     @jonathanpeterson

     Harris didn't "lose ground to Biden."

     Biden lost ground to Biden.🙃🙂

     2024 Biden was polling way worse than 2020 Biden when he handed the reigns over to Harris.

     Harris improved with most demographics over Biden, and she did it in only 3 months.

     This was a "glass cliff" opportunity, and she almost pulled it off. Phenomenally impressive.

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     mekka okereke :verified: (mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 01:26:36 JST mekka okereke :verified:

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     • Matthew Loxton

     @mloxton

     I do think she had a choice, and I think she picked the wrong one.

     Me: If Biden does X, he will lose Y% of Black men voters.
     Biden: Does X
     Result: Drop is almost exactly what I said it would be.

     Me: If Harris does X, she will win back 1/2Y% of Black men voters.
     Harris: Does X
     Result: Wins back the voters.

     Me: if Harris does X, she will lose 1/4Y% of the Black men voters that she just won back.
     Harris: Does X
     Result: Lost a little less than 1/4Y% of the Black men voters.

     🤷🏿♂️

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     Matthew Loxton (mloxton@med-mastodon.com)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 01:26:37 JST Matthew Loxton

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     @mekkaokereke
     "I think she lost the election in September and October. Don't go after mythical swing voters. It doesn't work, and loses you Black turnout."

     I don't think she had much of a choice. I think her people did the numbers and concluded that it was a better bet to court swing voters or at least depress RW voters, and risk losing some of the Black and Left vote.

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     Apologies if you already knew (il_fritz@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 01:52:05 JST Apologies if you already knew

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     @mekkaokereke

     We know that different cohorts have different level of support for different candidates. It'd be weird if it wasn't the case. It's the job of each party to pick a candidate that can change that. That should also not be complicated.

     The Dems picked a candidate who could only achieve that among white voters and the old, but failed with the young and latinos (I'm not going to engage with the "latinos are white" nonsense, sorry)

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     mekka okereke :verified: (mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 01:52:05 JST mekka okereke :verified:

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     @il_fritz

     You don't need to engage with half of Hispanic people in the US are white, but it's engaging with you.🙃🙂

     There's a reason that US demographic forms specify "non-hispanic white." Because without that, the number would include half of all US Hispanic people.

     Cameron Diaz. A Hispanic white woman.
     https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1yOjH-bqkys

     Kiko Alonzo. A Hispanic white man.
     https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hGLNunYWJf4

     And because people don't believe Kiko is Hispanic:
     https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GO25Fz4T8J4&t=1m10s

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     mekka okereke :verified: (mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 01:58:57 JST mekka okereke :verified:

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     @il_fritz

     Jeff Garcia, a Hispanic white man:
     https://m.youtube.com/shorts/Nj-G3sHxu18

     Anya Taylor Joy, a Hispanic white woman
     https://m.youtube.com/shorts/uUbeRzbiL2Q

     Charlie Sheen, a Hispanic white man
     https://m.youtube.com/shorts/kedStgeVQvw

     Etc etc

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     jonathanpeterson (jonathanpeterson@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 07-Nov-2024 02:45:18 JST jonathanpeterson

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     @mekkaokereke Thanks, that's a totally fair assessment and mental reset. Looking at the CNN exit polls more closely latino men swung hugely and Trump winning Gen Z were the biggest surprises.

     I really felt like she ran an incredibly good campaign in a super short time. Gaza was a headwind with young people especially POC. In the last month or so much of the anticorporate populism went away for calling out Trump as a fascist. Seemed to cost a lot of momentum.