Basically once you find one you can network through the community and find more.
Not a huge fan of ukrainians though. For some reason they have so much national pride even though they are basically only alive because the US allows them to be
@Tony MKULTRA is a cool guy and actual genius and one of the things he is really good at is that he repels boomers like "BasedLunatic", who has insisted that if he commits suicide, it wasn't actually suicide and was probably me.
"BasedLunatic" likes to stir up inter-instance drama. Usually best to ignore. How far did he get in the fediverse gay tournament, didn't he win this year?
@Tony It's easiest if you just have people around that naturally repel the people you don't want around. Nobody on FSE can get away with being *completely* humorless.
@p idk i lost track of it. He doesn't bother me but i like to take the spectator route. I've never had a problem with him. When people start geting big mad i just excuse myself lol.
Which is how i try to keep tensions reasonable between instances.
Clew still manages to federate with most everyone on this side of fedi and we have no blocks yet. So I'm proud of our stance lol.
But no, he's cool, i could do without the love of indian trannies but everyone has there thing you know
I try to avoid people, like, actively harassing TWKN or jumping on overloaded threads to yell at whoever is the current person to yell at. People that are here to "harass trannies" are usually exactly as retarded and humorless as whoever they are harassing.
@p Thats why i let people harass trannies. If you can't take a cat meme saying "kill yourself" i'm honestly not interested.
And if being called a nazi makes you run screaming we won't get along anyway.
Thought my vps provider got a little but hurt about it, but this is why i just use them as a reverse proxy. If they get big mad we'll just move to iceland lol
> Tbh if some liberal man wearing a dress is big mad i don't care.
It's culture war shit, man. Two groups of people that are perpetually big mad at each other. Boring as hell. (They are both big mad at me, but one group just puts FSE on every blocklist, so I only see the other group; the sonnenrad dipshits want a safe space where no one will make fun of them but they won't admit it.)
Anyway, I don't care who gets mad, I do care if people bring that awful Twitter shit to fedi.
Tbh if some liberal man wearing a dress is big mad i don't care.
It might not be the best moderation strategy sure, but i generally don't interfer with users unless they do something thats like alarming.
For example maija and ponies. We can't have users lusting after cartoon horses, thats where i draw the line :02_laugh:
Idk if it's the best route but thats what i've been operating under. I guess the only issue is i've been on the internet since I was 11 and i don't really get offended at this point...
> Who am i to tranny janny you for hating men who wear dresses.
Nobody has gotten banned from FSE for that, ever; not for being a staunch proponent, either. No opinions, except on the bugout zone I am not dealing with pedos. You keep using one example, the same example. There is a huge difference between believing something or advocating for it, and actively shitting the place up. It's like this "there are no bad tactics, only bad targets" horseshit. I couldn't give a damn about anyone's politics, but "we must stop the whatever" turns the place to shit. It's like nicecrew.gov or the podcast race, one of them posts a reply that is a single gamer word and then six other guys post the same thing as a reply. It's gablin shit, it's worthless. I'm totally fine if that kind of person hates FSE. There's too much *good* shit to read on here without diluting it with that kind of "+1" bullshit.
@p@Tony basedlunatic is DICEY. He has no job, no prospects, and KICKED HIS OWN MOTHER OUT OF HER HOUSE to an apartment. he has SEX with his own MOTHER. know ur fedi lore sheeple
@p@Tony most people on dark fedi don't have the balls to admit they're just outright not sympathetic to nazis. They usually do this fake support act where it's obvious they hate alt righties but they refuse to admit it since they expect to be treated like "the real" alt right. I guess they don't think they'll have any street cred otherwise.
@mkraiden@Tony I don't know why, you know, like...what are they gonna do, say mean things on the internet?
Most people's politics are terrible. My politics are terrible. Least interesting thing a person can do on the internet is repeatedly shout their tribal identifiers.
@p@Tony there's no reason to larp as muh alt right while trashing them 24/7 unless you're controlled opposition. if you want to be CHAZ or whatever just be CHAZ, you don't have to wrap it up as "trad west" which is cringe and retarded.
@mkraiden@p@Tony the Internet Nazi thing is a fascinating research topic. Once we see the similarities to LGBT it's hard to unsee. There's also the phenomenon of both identities appearing in one person without any seeming contradictions. Personally I find it pointless to make a big deal out of it. In the end most people under that banner don't really know what that's supposed to mean for their real life. It's a sort of edgy release valve
@mkraiden@p@Tony but you're acting like that is not an actual and existing position. Traditionalism and Neonazism do not occupy the same spot or perspectives, there's just overlap. Similar to how Liberals and Communists have overlap.
@irie@mkraiden@Tony GLR fused traditionalism into it to try to appeal to American conservatives. Hitler and his party weren't especially big on trad-family stuff. The trad people also tend to be interested in modern-trad where you have a mom and a dad and a picket fence and kids and a dog in a "nuclear" family instead of the pre-WW2 tradition of having kids at 20 and cohabiting with your extended family.
@irie@Tony@p the workforce is definitely divided by racial castes and nazism is a no brainer to support if you're middle class white guy getting ripped off by jews. doesn't really validate all their mythology about ancient aryans or whatever, but still has utility regardless.
@irie@Tony@p Like I said, if you want to be a liberal and defend liberalism, then just do that. You don't have to pretend to be a nazi. Except apparently they do now since liberals have no credibility anymore and they are unable to subvert nazis any other way.
@irie@Tony@mkraiden Yeah, you are correct that Nazism is heavily materialist and neo-Nazism is not very different; I don't know that there is a cohesive traditionalist philosophy.
@p@Tony@mkraiden perhaps that is so, in my understanding one of the biggest dividing lines between Traditionalism and Nazism (specifically) occurs on the spiritual vs. biological one. Nazism leans into traditionalism but builds itself on materialist assumptions and racialism. While Traditionalism does not inherently deny the existence of race, race does not occupy the position from which reality flows, but rather as one aspect of creation.
@AndrewFork@p@Tony@irie@mkraiden it's ok if other people 'cant have' stuff, but that's got absolutely nothing to do with me. I can have whatever i believe i can have
@AndrewFork@p@Tony@irie@mkraiden your 'cant have' attitude is a self fulfilling prophecy. Anyone who concludes 'i cant have X' in an abstract has already given up and will certainly never obtain it even if it was on the off chance possible.
Therefore the most rational choice is to deliberately have any other mental attitude other than that one, even if it means having an insane one. At least it won't be a guaranteed loss then. In my view that's not retarded, but instead a step towards positive goals and therefore smart and good.
@p@Tony@mkraiden Traditionalism exists in various flavors, what they all have in common, and what makes it Traditional, is the belief in absolute Truth, which is usually revealed by a divine source. It builds on the metaphysical and thus deviates strongly from all enlightenment ideologies, which ultimately led to a reduction to 'matter explains everything' thinking. In the Christian context this goes hand in hand with the sanctity of life, for example.
@AndrewFork@p@Tony@irie@yaboisugoi@mkraiden yeah, I think this defeatist attitude is a mistake. To be clear, we're talking about living mult-generationally, or surrounding ourselves with like minded people and our kin. This is absolutely possible, and not even very difficult provided you can get others on board. The biggest hurdle is social taboo, but there's no real material hurdles preventing people from living with their extended family. In fact, it's easier to do than every young person striking out into the housing market on their own. As for surrounding ourselves with those like us, people already do that pretty regularly even by accident. All one needs to do is add a layer of intention.
"Trying to have a good life" is not coping; it's better than wallowing.
> nor is it good to willingly ignore the suffering of others because it doesn't affect you directly.
White girls always tryna save something.
You have finite time, energy, and resources. This means you have to ignore some things in order to get anywhere: giving every suffering person on the earth a fraction of a penny is not going to help anyone. You're useless unless you focus your efforts somewhere that they have a chance of working. Someone that is wallowing and doesn't want to stop wallowing is not someone that you can help.
> just shut the fuck up, don't try to justify your own malicious behaviour with copes that make no sense, say you're a horrible person and be done with it.
"I've constructed a morality where 'good' is defined by my pet issue. You are a horrible person for not dropping the things that matter to you in favor of the things that matter to me."
just shut the fuck up, don't try to justify your own malicious behaviour with copes that make no sense, say you're a horrible person and be done with it.
for example, this is the UK, Bournemouth in 2025 (video not mine). In a traditionalist UK this would have never happened. Not because the onus would be on keeping other races out, but (unlike the current Liberal paradigm) because its community would define itself by their language, faith in Christ, customs, and loyalty to the Christian crown, in addition to ancestry. Thus without even mentioning race, other races would be kept out of the community.
Is the Black man strange, or does his behavior, his beliefs, his language, and his gods make him strange? The Nazi on the other hand would reduce this scene entirely to race. While this can feel like stating the obvious, it's a stance that doesn't go beyond the obvious, and even fails to connect those of the same race. Why is the White man my brother if we differ on so many things? Perhaps not so obvious.
Rather than arguing for abolishing all racial lines, traditionalism would argue that race alone is not enough, but one of several building blocks. Furthermore, one could argue race is the product of people sticking together due to common beliefs and language to create distinct ethnic groups, who are then eventually called a race. This would give cultural forces causality over race. Tusky_1754215344793_SYH532TOX8.mp4
@irie@p@Tony the west is the only place where the ones in charge outright say: your culture is bad and should be replaced. Presumably because the people in charge are non-western occupiers.
"Trad is basically pagan but people keep trying to shoehorn in the Arabic religion of Christianity"
That is a distinct Nazi perspective. You claim that "we the Nazis are trad" etc., which is not surprising. Overall though Nazis are Nazis and Traditionalism is its own position. Nazism, as I already mentioned, builds on materialist assumptions, whether they then sprinkle themselves with pagan or Christian colors is of minor importance.
@dcc@Tony@amerika@irie@mkraiden@p Ever notice how unhappy and sometimes suicidal atheists are? Yeah, I can't explain everything in the bible, some of it I think got lost in translation but it can give you peace and happiness. Good trade.
@mkraiden@Tony@amerika@p Traditionalism is not gnosticism we do understand that reality has a physical part, but we also understand that humanity is not just matter, that psychology matters a lot. Actually, not only a lot, but the soul, the psyche, as the first cause, which then affects the physical world. You make it sound as if everything that deviates from materialism is some hocus pocus pray to the Rain god nonsense but this is such a stupid premise and not at all aligned with reality. The fact is that dualism/transcendentalism, the alternatives to your naturalism, offer much better explanations for the human condition, for how we perceive reality, and for how we measure reality.
@irie@amerika@Tony@p I'm a big spirituality fan but materialism certainly gets better results than just praying to the rain god instead of looking for water.
@amerika@mkraiden@Tony@p another materialist quality is to reduce historical developments to pragmatic considerations. You feel hunger, you eat. You want power, you kill. You want sex, you fuck your daughter. It's all so simple and pragmatic.
@AndrewFork@p@Tony@irie@mkraiden > youre coping > copes that don't make sense You have two options: - Either you conclude 'i cant have X' for some reason and then you have a guaranteed defeat in life - or you decide 'im gonna have X no matter what' as a free lottery ticket to success.
With a choice like that, it's perfectly logical to avoid picking the guaranteed defeat. It 100% makes sense, you're just in denial now.
Imagime thinking "Oh, the free lottery ticket might be a losing one, so instead i'm going to lose on purpose" - that's wild.
> not positive > it's not good to ignore suffering of others because it doesn't affect you 1. I live in the same world, it affects me as much as others and it's been pissing me off for many years. I've just made the deliberate choice to not sit back and be the victim of fate. That's positive.
2. I've consistently been giving advice to others like "hey if you just do X you stop having problem Y and life becomes so much better" and I'm either met with responses of people who are committed to failing for some reason (like from you for example) or they'll do it for about a week and then they go right back to whatever was fucking up their life. And just like that I'm consistently reminded that I don't have control to fix others, therefore I also don't have any responsibility for their failures. That's their job. I can tell them their problem, and if they want, they can fix it. But if they don't want to fix whatever's wrong with them, that's also OK because that's their choice, but it has absolutely nothing to do with me. I have fixed a lot of my problems that I once thought were unfixable when I was younger. It was only my mental attitude getting in the way of trying different things and finding out what works.
3. Everyone's first responsibility is to first help themselves, before they help others. There are multiple reasons for this. For instance, if you've never fixed anything in your own life, how do you know you have the answer to fix things in others' lives? Or how about - If you don't have the resource to even survive, why are you digging yourself in a hole giving it away to someone else? There are productive priorities in life, and prioritising this "Oh think of the others" sentiment, when your life is not ideal yet, is not it.
Just because others don't want to listen to sense, doesn't mean I ignore them. I've told them what they have to hear. But when they don't show potential or they drag me down with them, they've made their choice and I still have to move on with my life.
> justify malicious behaviour Imagine making a logical choice to strive for better things being malicious. Now you're the insane one.
@yaboisugoi@AndrewFork@Tony@irie@p The most honest tard left contrarian position is: I don't want you to have stuff. Yet they prefer to stand on these phony morals since saying that bluntly doesn't sound good. Stop trying to have things anon! It's called being a heckin good person. :smug3:
Another translation of this statement: focus on making successes, not subsidizing failures. Applies to your own efforts at work, hobbies, etc. as well as politics.
@amerika@mkraiden@Tony@irie I think there are distinct things and we don't mean the same thing by "egalitarianism".
Then there's the Harrison Bergeron thing and I think that's the thing you mean when you say "egalitarianism": an attempt to force equality.
"Potest ex casa magnvs vir exire." The world is chaotic and you cannot predict it: you have heuristics, but weird shit happens and sometimes the weird shit changes everything. So you avoid putting up artificial barriers that stop great men from coming from huts. A great man is probably not going to come from a hut, but trying to stop great men from coming from huts is an attempt to force inequality; this is the thing I mean when I say "egalitarianism".
@amerika@Tony Ha, that was the first thing I thought of writing. I figured no one would get it if I called it "AOL bullshit" and "'me too' bullshit" sounded like it'd get confused with "#MeToo bullshit". "+1" actually took a second.
@dj@dcc@Tony@amerika@mkraiden@p I mean you don't need to understand everything in the Bible and I would even say very few people actually understand everything in the Bible perhaps certain church fathers or Saints did. We also need to keep in mind that the purpose and the point is not to understand everything in the Bible but the Bible is there in order to help us come to God, because God is the source of Truth and of Life and not the Bible. The Bible helps to guide us, and it was meant to guide us within the sacred tradition of the Church, the Bible is the written tradition and it was assembled and produced by the Church.
@mkraiden@Tony@amerika@p I mean it's how we, humanity, looked at these things for millennia. It's a very recent development that we started thinking only matter exists. One big advantage of the dualistic transcendental model is that it actually can explain everything, yes some parts of it are not falsifiable, granted, but it can explain everything. One big problem of the materialist model is that it cannot explain everything (look at the so-called hard problem) and it has parts that are not falsifiable (claims about the immaterial) so all in all the materialistic model is at a disadvantage to the traditional model. And to say something about the hard problem, it means there is no explanation for the mind, for human consciousness in the materialistic paradigm (they're working on it, good luck) and that's a big big issue.
@irie@Tony@amerika@p materialism is just a system for taking over the map and controlling land, it's not intended to provide spiritual purpose. Can't have our comfy high-trust soul zone if level 99 gun autists keep beating us at fights.
old testament: Hebrews doing bad things and the consequences are "the wrath of God" and some cryptic knowledge
new testament: Jesus telling people don't be a hedonistic douchebags, giving us the golden law of reciprocity to enjoy the harmony and Saint Pablo helping to understand that golden law with more explaining in their letters.
@mkraiden@Tony@amerika@p Materialism can mean many things, among those definitions is the question of reality. You will find materialism, scientific materialism the defacto and default worldview of the current West.
@tinosoft@Tony@amerika@dcc@dj@mkraiden@p there is understanding in the big picture and the question of understanding the full extent of every passage. The discussion here was about the latter, which is probably limited to a few Church Fathers and Saints who achieved full illumination. The big picture of the Bible boils down to its general purpose. But what you presented here is something else entirely, namely, the reduction of something irreducibly complex to a sort of caricature. If all problems start with flawed theology, then your approach promises great success.
@tinosoft@Tony@amerika@dcc@dj@mkraiden@p I prefer to stay on the path of Orthodox Christianity. You will find plenty heresy wherever you look. It's easier to find it than to avoid it.
There is no way to have a shared interests with 400m people, that's all. Of course there are going to be people exploiting it to its detriment. The parasite colonies will outlive it and they will still be eating the corpse for a century after it's gone. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whalefall ) But the cause of death is that you can't have a coherent nation-state at the sizes we currently expect, and it's only held together by the attempts from the top to try to force an agenda, and they've largely been successful due to broadcast television and its transition into the mall-internet.
I don't think the parasites are a monolith, but I also don't think people are going to agree on that. whalefall.jpg
@amerika@irie@Tony@dcc@dj@p@tinosoft I don't think nation-states "failed" so much as they were deliberately destroyed by a select group of wannabe emperors who had the connections to pull it off.
@amerika@dj@dcc@Tony@irie@mkraiden@p@tinosoft >Transsexualism has failed because it attempted to displace women. transsexualism isnt political in the least, its not a movement, its just a current punching bag a pedophile used to get elected. Even the stuff they use to untran trannys is just recycled conversion therapy from the same playbook in the 90s and oughts. DUMB MOTHER FUCKER SHOULDNT EVEN BE THINKING ABOUT TRANNYS YOU STUPID TV BRAINED NPC NIGGER.
@veinglory@AndrewFork@Tony@irie@mkraiden@p@yaboisugoi Thing is, for those who made "the West" it's a survival mechanism for hard times. Married couples should be forming their own households (and avoiding the longhouse pattern) but far too many can't in the US and other parts of the West.
Might also note being a renter is associated with significantly higher stress....
@amerika@Tony@dcc@dj@irie@p@tinosoft nobody ever controlled their population expansion before birth control, and now that they are doing that they're disappearing themselves demographically
@mkraiden@dj@dcc@amerika@irie@p@tinosoft How did a conversation about moderating users and Tony getting hate mobbed turn into a multi day, whats the word, political ideology coversation?
@mkraiden@Tony@amerika@dcc@dj@irie@tinosoft The Nordic Countries are EU and they're all beholden to the EU/US banking system, a modernist project that they'd been trying to force as a means of control since the end of the 19th century when "scientific" turned into a buzzword for governance. (It turned into a buzzword around the same time "Christian Science" arrived to anoint people with oil rather than letting them see a doctor, because "science" did not seem to mean the same thing. Marx repeatedly described his system as "scientific".)
> There was no death of natural causes, it was a deliberate extermination.
I didn't say natural causes, I said bloat. The countries do not get as big as this without cause. The parasites and the people supplying the cause are not the same people.
@p@Tony@amerika@dcc@dj@irie@tinosoft nordic countries had populations of 10 million and the same attack was made on them. Cities of 1 million or less, same thing. There was no death of natural causes, it was a deliberate extermination.