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you should buy a fumo (teatootler@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-May-2025 20:04:23 JST 
you should buy a fumo
people who shill troonix this hard don’t have real jobs using real equipment doing anything important
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 22-May-2025 20:04:22 JST 
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@TeaTootler I have never shilled that the proprietary kernel Linux.
I recommend the GNU OS.
If having a "real job" requires being a proprietary slave, clearly it would be wise to avoid such "real jobs".BowserNoodle ☦️ repeated this. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 22-May-2025 20:13:13 JST
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@david @TeaTootler Yes, I am aware that hospital commit the (minor) crime against humanity of using windows on computers that process private information.
Those aren't my computers, thus it's the hospital that doesn't have freedom, not me.
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david :_biflag: (david@pl.dav1d.lol)'s status on Thursday, 22-May-2025 20:13:14 JST 
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@Suiseiseki @TeaTootler have u ever been to the hospital do u know they use windows on all the machines -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 22-May-2025 21:58:39 JST
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@TeaTootler I'm not one for gambling (which is why I'm not broke), but I probably have more money that you. -
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you should buy a fumo (teatootler@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-May-2025 21:58:40 JST
you should buy a fumo
@Suiseiseki you’re a broke faggot -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 22-May-2025 21:59:10 JST
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@TeaTootler I'm not one for gambling (which is why I'm not broke), but I probably have more money than you. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 22-May-2025 22:00:23 JST
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@TeaTootler >When the LLM starts accusing the another accounts of being bots. -
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you should buy a fumo (teatootler@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-May-2025 22:00:24 JST
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@Suiseiseki This has to be a bot account no one is this dumb -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-May-2025 22:18:04 JST 
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@Suiseiseki @TeaTootler >I recommend the GNU OS.
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 22-May-2025 22:19:38 JST
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@BowsacNoodle @TeaTootler GNU/JIHAD AGAINST "FOSS"!!!!; https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/floss-and-foss.html
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 22-May-2025 22:22:46 JST
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@EssentialUtinsil @TeaTootler Free software tends to work and not randomly break and even if it breaks, it's not difficult to fix, as it actually prints out a log detailing what the problem is.
For a business, clearly you would either have hired someone competent (who can fix the software as needed), or have purchased support for the software, so you can call someone to come in and fix the breakage.
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EssentialUtinsil :njp: (essentialutinsil@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-May-2025 22:22:47 JST 
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@TeaTootler @Suiseiseki yeah we have all haas cncs, when they have a problem, which is rarely, a haas guy comes in and fixes them. why would we want something running shit free software that we have to figure out how to fix ourselves? -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 22-May-2025 22:23:27 JST
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bronze (bronze@pl.kitsunemimi.club)'s status on Thursday, 22-May-2025 22:25:51 JST 
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@BowsacNoodle @Suiseiseki @TeaTootler Suiseiseki is a real one, thank you for your service Suiseiseki! 翠星石 likes this. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-May-2025 23:14:44 JST
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@Suiseiseki @TeaTootler What is the difference between GNU and FOSS? Does it annoy you if I pronounce it "guh-new"? -
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?uper?nekFriend ? (supersnekfriend@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-May-2025 23:21:10 JST 
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Hey! Don't associate us with those goobers. :jahy_pout:
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-May-2025 23:21:10 JST
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@SuperSnekFriend @Suiseiseki @TeaTootler >We're the cyclists of the online world
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 22-May-2025 23:31:16 JST
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@BowsacNoodle @TeaTootler GNU's Not Unix is a 100% free software OS developed since 1984, designed to give the user freedom; https://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-history.html
"FOSS" stands for "Free and Open Source Software", which was ill-constructed as an attempt to be neutral between the freedom of free software and the corporate bootlicking of "open source" (which has only existed since 1998), but it fails to be neutral, as people assume it means; gratis, source-available software.
>Does it annoy you if I pronounce it "guh-new"?
I don't care, as long as you name the GNU, but that is not the pronunciation; https://www.gnu.org/gnu/pronunciation.htmlBowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-May-2025 23:37:31 JST
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@Suiseiseki @TeaTootler Okay but short answers only, why does something not being GNU matter? Why not just pirate stuff that isn't or emulate or? It's not like the the proverbial CNC machine needs to be connected to the Internet, so it has a dedicated crappy old version that runs on (literally who cares) OA, so what? -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 22-May-2025 23:49:52 JST
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@BowsacNoodle @TeaTootler >why does something not being GNU matter?
Since GNU is the only nontrivial OS that is fully free (all other non-toy OS's contain proprietary software that doesn't respect the users freedom).
If the OS isn't free software, the users don't control the OS, the OS controls the users; https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html
>Why not just pirate stuff that isn't
Piracy refers to theft and murder etc with the help of a boat.
If a boat is not used, the act is not piracy.
Making an unauthorized or prohibited copy of some software doesn't grant the 4 freedoms as;
- The user doesn't get freedom 0, as the program may refuse to run depending on what digital handcuffs are implemented (which may be trivial or nigh impossible to workaround - but even if it's trivial, the DMCA makes doing so illegal).
- The user doesn't get freedom 1, as the user doesn't have the source code. Although some trivial changes to the object form may be possible, those changes would be illegal.
- The user doesn't get freedom 2, as they cannot legally share the software.
- The user doesn't get freedom 3, as they cannot legally share modified versions.
>or emulate
Emulating proprietary software often requires making an unauthorized or prohibited copy and the same freedom issues as with unauthorized copies exist even with authorized copies of proprietary software.
>It's not like the the proverbial CNC machine needs to be connected to the Internet, so it has a dedicated crappy old version that runs on (literally who cares) OA, so what?
Not connecting the proprietary malware to the internet may be an effective way to prevent it from spying on the user and preventing a remote disable command from being received (although proprietary malware with an internal timebomb that resets on connection to an external server has been implemented many times), but the software still controls the user in that state, as the user is not allowed to change it (usually the user isn't even allowed to even debug it, as there is no documented error log that outputs what went wrong). -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 22-May-2025 23:50:31 JST
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@BowsacNoodle @TeaTootler >Okay but short answers only
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-May-2025 23:55:10 JST
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@Suiseiseki @TeaTootler >If the OS isn't free software, the users don't control the OS, the OS controls the users;
By this logic, the road controls the car rather than the driver.
>as the user is not allowed to change it (usually the user isn't even allowed to even debug it, as there is no documented error log that outputs what went wrong).
This is a valid critique. I ignore the first part (not allowed?? Ligma!) because I'm a fan of right to repair and true ownership. The second part is either an oversight (why would they need this?) or annoying, but doesn't necessarily require malice. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 23-May-2025 00:22:39 JST
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@Suiseiseki @TeaTootler To clarify— I don't have any problem with systems putting limitations on how the end user operates them in and of itself, but I do think people who purchase a thing ought to have a right to use it in other ways including hacking and modifying and repairing. I believe software when necessary to use a tool (e.g. CNC) makes more sense to be as open to user modifications as possible, precisely because there are potential use cases outside what the original designers anticipated. For example, nobody thought the "Cricut" (a crafting tool that is basically a CNC for paper and stickers) would be used for engine gaskets, but it's become hugely popular in the maker space because it can cut precision gaskets. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 23-May-2025 00:26:39 JST
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@wzqtparor @TeaTootler GNU is certainly quite usable - it has multiple OS's and kernel's available.
Many people use the fully free GNU GRUB OS for example.
>64-bit Hurd is not viable yet. 32-bit Hurd rely on very limited hardware choices.
GNU/Hurd does in fact run and launches straight into bash and then you can run the Church of Emacs - what else could you need?
>Linux-libre kernel have same problem, it supports too few hardwares.
People are obsessed with the concept of GNU/Linux-libre not running, but it runs just fine on all standard AMD64 computers, as Linux's ACPI, CPU, most Ethernet, etc drivers work without proprietary software.
You can grab the most proprietary Intel computer and boot Trisquel GNU/Linux-libre and everything works - 1000BASE-T works, usb works, the Intel Integrated Graphics works with fullspeed 3D accel, suspend and resume works and CPU power management works.
It's only a few factory e-waste peripheral devices that have problems, for example trash Wi-Fi & GPU cards won't work - but you just plug in a quality Wi-Fi card or GPU and problem solved.
Ancient Nvidia GPUs run better than the proprietary drivers ever did, with suspend and resume.
Aspeed GPUS work and I believe suspend and resume works.
Newer GPUs work good too, with suspend and resume, although the reclocking is hit or miss and anything newer than the 780 Ti is handcuffed to not allow reclocking without a signed proprietary program.
ATI & AMD GPUs are garbage, with no 3D accel, as resume from suspend fails to work, but GNU Linux-libre did hack up the radeon driver to work with free software and you do get a native resolution output and good enough performance for web browsing. -
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一色いろは (wzqtparor@fedibird.com)'s status on Friday, 23-May-2025 00:26:40 JST 
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GNU doesn't have a really usable modern OS yet, that's why most people use GNU/Linux.
64-bit Hurd is not viable yet. 32-bit Hurd rely on very limited hardware choices.
Linux-libre kernel have same problem, it supports too few hardwares.
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 23-May-2025 00:28:45 JST
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@BowsacNoodle @TeaTootler The user deserves freedom whether it is currently possible to use something in alternative ways or not.
Whether it's a CNC, or a spreadsheet, or a calculator, the user deserves freedom. -
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☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️ (kingofwhiteamerica@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 23-May-2025 00:29:53 JST 
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@BowsacNoodle @Suiseiseki @TeaTootler … software when necessary to use a tool (e.g. CNC) makes more sense to be as open to user modifications as possible …
Absolutely; it does make more sense. As such, it’s clear why certain forces maintain a vested interest in nipping it in the bud. Even so, such forces don’t ultimately stand a chance. The only real hurdle for us, are those cases where specific machines are out of reach for non-professionals; ie MRIs, huge milling machines, megawatt particle accelerators etc.
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 23-May-2025 00:29:53 JST
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@KingOfWhiteAmerica @BowsacNoodle @TeaTootler It makes no sense why a user should be free to enjoy the 4 freedoms with some things, but not other things. -
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☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️ (kingofwhiteamerica@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 23-May-2025 00:36:46 JST
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@Suiseiseki @BowsacNoodle @TeaTootler I agree completely; and also, there’s big money to be made in those places where denying said freedoms is within reach of whomever can pay for such enforcement.
EDIT: not that I agree with such practices; but they very seldom ask me for permission.
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 23-May-2025 00:41:34 JST
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@TeaTootler @BowsacNoodle @KingOfWhiteAmerica I love Jews.
If you want "freedom from Jews", you need to stop using software - evil Jews are behind a lot of proprietary software and righteous Jews are behind a lot of free software. -
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you should buy a fumo (teatootler@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 23-May-2025 00:41:35 JST
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@KingOfWhiteAmerica @Suiseiseki @BowsacNoodle I want freedom from Jews first I don’t give a shit about some little piss ant tech fight BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 23-May-2025 00:44:03 JST
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@Suiseiseki @TeaTootler I didn't disagree, conceptually, but there's a difference between pure software and hardware specific software. I think it's a good thing that the average guy can't FUBAR his car without special tuning chips and tools, particularly because their modifications can impact other people (they lose control of their car and I die). I don't mind that restriction existing, especially because it's easy enough to bypass if you want to (tuning software and tools exist but it's not something every person can easily diy). Spreadsheet software per your example is kind of silly, because you'll end up with the exact same thing you have today just labeled as "default normal use" and likely creates more work and issues when there's modifications outside of default normal use parameters. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 23-May-2025 00:49:10 JST
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@TeaTootler @KingOfWhiteAmerica @Suiseiseki The tech fight is a big deal because it relates to the trend towards rent-seeking (a finance capitalism favorite) and lack of ownership (ze pod, ze bugs). Right to repair is the less dorky but entirely relevant equivalent to this that we should all care about. If I buy something with money I should be able to modify it or repair it and not need to pay BS prices for some specifically trained nerd to do the same thing. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 23-May-2025 00:59:34 JST
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@BowsacNoodle @TeaTootler >conceptually, but there's a difference between pure software and hardware specific software.
There is not. Just because software runs on a microcontroller that has the ability to command hardware that moves instead of a general purpose CPU to command hardware that shows an image etc, doesn't make it any different from pure software.
>think it's a good thing that the average guy can't FUBAR his car without special tuning chips and tools, particularly because their modifications can impact other people (they lose control of their car and I die).
It's already illegal to make lethal modifications to a car and people can quite easily "FUBAR" a car and make it dangerous to drive just fine without needing any special tuning chips and tools (just cut the brake lines for example).
Decently designed cars don't care what software modifications you make, as the brakes overpower the engine no matter what and the steering wheel uses rack and pinion and uses a simple hardware circuit for power steering and not software.
The proprietary software in cars often has lethal bugs in it (for example Toyota's proprietary ECU software was known for going into a state where an uncommanded full throttle would occur during a bitflip (i.e. a caused by a small ESD event) and the car would not stop accellerating unless you were to press the brake, completely release it and then press it hard (although the brakes overpower the engine, it appears that what was could happen is that people didn't know how much force full braking requires and therefore ended up riding the brakes for kilometres until the brakes were worn and then crashed)) and even come with backdoors now.
Clearly, it's a bad thing that it is difficult to check the software.
>I don't mind that restriction existing, especially because it's easy enough to bypass if you want to (tuning software and tools exist but it's not something every person can easily diy).
It is not easy to bypass in freedom, as tuning software tends to be proprietary.
>Spreadsheet software per your example is kind of silly, because you'll end up with the exact same thing you have today just labeled as "default normal use" and likely creates more work and issues when there's modifications outside of default normal use parameters.
The user must have the freedom they deserve with spreadsheet software like any other software - even if you think a modification is silly, not everyone will think the same. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 23-May-2025 01:28:50 JST
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@TeaTootler @BowsacNoodle I don't touch proprietary grass. -
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you should buy a fumo (teatootler@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 23-May-2025 01:28:51 JST
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 23-May-2025 01:31:09 JST
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@TeaTootler @Suiseiseki I wish. Trapped in office purgatory atm. I just want finance capital jews out of my life. -
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BionicNigga, Raper of Waves 🌊 (bionicnigga@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 23-May-2025 01:43:39 JST 
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@BowsacNoodle @Suiseiseki @TeaTootler That’s actually how you’re supposed to pronounce it. BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️ (kingofwhiteamerica@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 23-May-2025 01:48:48 JST
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@Suiseiseki @TeaTootler @BowsacNoodle Whether any given jew is “evil” or “righteous” is beside the point, by now. They impede White self-determination, almost to a man. They have an ethnostate of their own; let them go be “evil” or ”righteous” there.
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GNU Tar (freetar@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 23-May-2025 01:48:48 JST 
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@KingOfWhiteAmerica @Suiseiseki @BowsacNoodle @TeaTootler
So your plan for “white freedom” relies partially on Jews forgetting how to code the moment they land in Israel?
You do realize being in an ethnostate doesn’t stop anyone from writing software, right? It’s not like code needs a visa. Jews in Israel —or anywhere— can still write code, publish papers, contribute to projects, run companies. What exactly do you think changes just because they’re geographically grouped?
Proprietary software doesn’t have a race. It’s made by people — Jews included, but plenty of white people too.BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 23-May-2025 02:13:29 JST
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@BionicNigga @BowsacNoodle @TeaTootler >is it only really works for things like shared infrastructure that makes the Internet work
The big long list of GNU packages, most of which are not networking packages means you are clearly wrong; https://www.gnu.org/software/
>With firmware for industrial equipment practically none of its users would be able to hack it even if the source was available
"The user doesn't deserve freedom as they won't be able to program anyway", ignoring that the users can learn to program software, or ask or pay a programmer to make a change to software.
>there wouldn’t even be any side benefits to other users, so for them the four freedoms are effectively meaningless.
Being able to change and share the software are only 2 of the 4 freedoms and the user always benefits from the 4 freedoms.
>Eric Raymond has actually advised certain companies against going open source
Do you have a link where esr has recommended that companies continue attacking people with proprietary software, or did he just not recommend a particular development model?
>there’s just no upside for them as a business.
Just because a business might not see a benefit doesn't mean they deserve to trample over the freedom of the users. -
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BionicNigga, Raper of Waves 🌊 (bionicnigga@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 23-May-2025 02:13:30 JST
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@BowsacNoodle @Suiseiseki @TeaTootler The problem with free software is it only really works for things like shared infrastructure that makes the Internet work; that is, things that a high percentage of programmers will actually end up using, which can have benefits for non-programmer users. With firmware for industrial equipment practically none of its users would be able to hack it even if the source was available, and without those programmers actively improving it there wouldn’t even be any side benefits to other users, so for them the four freedoms are effectively meaningless. Eric Raymond has actually advised certain companies against going open source for this reason, there’s just no upside for them as a business. BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 23-May-2025 03:50:29 JST 
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@BowsacNoodle @Suiseiseki @TeaTootler
> By this logic, the road controls the car rather than the driver.
Is the road a turing complete machine with 2^N states?
the complexity of the use of the road is pretty simple - you sit on it, or have your vehicle sit on it, or you don't. That's it. Computer software is way, way more complicated and requires a more complicated treatment of *how* to set those states.BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 23-May-2025 03:54:09 JST
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@jeffcliff @Suiseiseki @TeaTootler >Is the road a turing complete machine with 2^N states?
Is my interaction with the computer? No. I use a computer. It is a tool, in a similar way that a vehicle is. One can argue for the merits of motorcycles or bicycles or anything else and protest the closed source tyranny of the public road systems, but I'm still going to use them in my car. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 23-May-2025 04:05:15 JST
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@jeffcliff @Suiseiseki @TeaTootler No offense meant, but this into the weeds of into the weeds. If you want to refuse to use a car because it's not GNU / FOSS, be my guest. But for you to attack my metaphor with
> :Ackshually: Cars are computers on wheels
As if that's relevant to the point at all (it isn't). I could drive an all mechanical carbureted 1960s Chevy, but I don't because I like the features and benefits of closed source fuel injected modern vehicles and public roads. -
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Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 23-May-2025 04:05:16 JST
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@BowsacNoodle @Suiseiseki @TeaTootler >Is my interaction with the computer? No.
yeah actually it is - *someone* makes the decision of what program to run. And if you want to understand that program, you're faced with the problem of that complexity
you just don't know it
>, in a similar way that a vehicle is.
modern vehicles, unlike roads *are* computers. they are just computers with wheels/motors/brakes/etc controlling devices attached. The main part of a car is its computer -- without the computer modern cars will probably not run.
> One can argue for the merits of motorcycles or bicycles or anything else and protest the closed source tyranny of the public road systems, but I'm still going to use them in my car.
of course, but there's social problems that are already present with our use of cars -- as of the past year or two the standards for car manufacturers are *requiring* software auto-update / malware distribution systems infect *all* vehicles in north america, which means the risk of someone crashing or bricking *all the cars in north america made since ~2022-2023 in a single day* is actually a real one. Increasingly you don't actually control what the car does or doesn't do - the central point of failure has final say
and this political power will be abused by those who controls this central point of failure more with time as there's really no democratic or market feedback mechamism available to keep them from abusing it
Roads don't have this problem as much. You can sit, or drive on a road, regardless what anyone wants, subject to traffic laws /etc. There's some problems there too i guess -- in the sense that i got a parking ticket for not following traffic laws posted on facebook (ie rules for roads + vehicles are also basically becoming a software system in practice). But at least there's a democratic level of control there - - the laws are amenable by a government that you don't *need* a computer to interact with as such -
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@BowsacNoodle @TeaTootler >wheels
As if that's relevant to the point at all (it isn't). I could drive an all mechanical carbureted 1960s Chevy,
you could and then the ethical issues of software freedom are basically irrelevant to you (of course the ethical issues involved in fossil fuel burning would still apply)
> but I don't because I like the features and benefits of closed source fuel injected modern vehicles and public roads.
then that's a socially harmful, if (right now) individually beneficial thing. but it's a social problem generally - existing in north america really *does* require the use of such proprietary vehicles on some level (whether owned individually or publicly as part of public transport) -- this isn't an issue that you, specifically can do much about either way -- but seeing the problem clearly can help us work together to solve it. [Not sure what @Suiseiseki makes of this problem fully]. The longer this problem is left to fester the worse it will get, though.
Most people aren't aware of the problem that the central point of failure/proprietary auto-updates represent, though, they haven't thought through what it would really mean for someone who has control of that software to just kill be able to them. It's not something most people have thought of.BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 23-May-2025 05:12:20 JST
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@jeffcliff @Suiseiseki @TeaTootler >Most people aren't aware of the problem that the central point of failure/proprietary auto-updates represent, though, they haven't thought through what it would really mean for someone who has control of that software to just kill be able to them. It's not something most people have thought of.
I have thought about it. A good chunk of people in this sphere are aware. At the end of the day, it's gonna happen or it isn't. Older vehicles are less prone to that sort of manipulation. There's a sweet spot, right around when direct injection took off, wherein you can have modernish features and longevity without as much remote hijack capacity. If I was nervous, I'd drive an old jeep or other easy to assemble vehicle with little or no power steering. -
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@TeaTootler @freetar @Suiseiseki @BowsacNoodle I mean, don’t get me wrong; Simulation Theory is just Soft Theism. But this guy accuses me of being controlled by a computer, while simultaneously being so obsessed with Free Software, that he can’t fathom motivations external from that, in others. If it’s not an act, it’s darn tragic.
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@freetar @Suiseiseki @BowsacNoodle @KingOfWhiteAmerica TOUCH GRASS
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@KingOfWhiteAmerica @Suiseiseki @BowsacNoodle @TeaTootler
>The person who calls themselves "KingOfWhiteAmerica" while using emojis of a Jew hanging on a cross calls someone who enjoys freedom "not serious" after being thoroughly tamed
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☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️ (kingofwhiteamerica@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 23-May-2025 09:30:29 JST
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@freetar @Suiseiseki @BowsacNoodle @TeaTootler You can develop as much software as you want within your proprietary ethnostate, but once you license it as free, anyone has legal access to it.
Yeah … I’m now thoroughly convinced you’re not a serious person. Interesting chat. Free Software doesn’t really need quite so much in the way of “marketing”, as it more or less sells itself. So I’m not really worried you’ll “tarnish the brand”. But I’d be pretty embarrassed in a place like this, if I was obliged to be that dense 😆
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☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️ (kingofwhiteamerica@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 23-May-2025 09:30:30 JST
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@freetar @Suiseiseki @BowsacNoodle @TeaTootler Did you mix me up with someone else ? Who are you talking to ? My point about jews is that it does not matter to me if they write Free Software; they can go do it in their own ethnostate. Meanwhile, Whites should live in our own ethnostates, with self-determination, free to get our own jobs, write our own Free Software, and generally promote our own political interests without jewish interference. Will there be exchange between jews in jewland, and the White ethnostates ? Sure, I guess - if we, in our own best interests, decide it’s worth it. Tl/dr? jews don’t get to use “Free Software” as a pass to live in our homelands.
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@KingOfWhiteAmerica @Suiseiseki @BowsacNoodle @TeaTootler
>My point about jews is that it does not matter to me if they write Free Software; they can go do it in their own ethnostate.
To create free software, all that is required is a writing surface and an instrument to inscribe text — a sheet of paper and a pen suffice to write source code under a free license. A computer is needed to compile, but practically any computer can use GCC.
Therefore, I see no compelling reason why a community with access to powerful computers —capable of efficiently compiling extensive source trees— such as the Jewish people, would choose to isolate themselves in a proprietary ethnostate to develop free software, when participation from countries with greater freedom, such as the (although proprietary) United States, is not only feasible but more effective.
>Meanwhile, Whites should live in our own ethnostates, with self-determination, free to get our own jobs, write our own Free Software
You can develop as much software as you want within your proprietary ethnostate, but once you license it as free, anyone has legal access to it.
>Will there be exchange between jews in jewland, and the White ethnostates ? Sure, I guess - if we, in our own best interests, decide it’s worth it.
That's not how free software works. It's not a commercial agreement, but a license that guarantees freedom. When you publish your program under a free license, you grant anyone the freedom to execute, copy, distribute, study, modify, and improve the software.
>jews don’t get to use “Free Software” as a pass to live in our homelands.
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No, because you’re a fool who chooses to ignore that the world has changed in 2000 years. Today, proprietary software is a crime against humanity — it strips people of their freedom (often out of greed). You talk about self-determination while defending tools that deny it.
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@freetar @Suiseiseki @BowsacNoodle @TeaTootler Are you serious ? Do you, for real, think that’s relevant to my overall position ? Sincere question.
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@KingOfWhiteAmerica @Suiseiseki @BowsacNoodle @TeaTootler
>Simulation Theory is just Soft Theism
I don’t have any kind of imaginary friends (you don’t either).
>But this guy accuses me of being controlled by a computer, while simultaneously being so obsessed with Free Software
Proprietary software has an owner — and it’s not you. If the user doesn’t control the program, the program controls the user.
>while simultaneously being so obsessed with Free Software
Indeed. I’m obsessed with freedom.
>he can’t fathom motivations external from that, in others.
I’m quite aware that normies don’t care about freedom.
>If it’s not an act, it’s darn tragic.
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