@BowsacNoodle @Suiseiseki @TeaTootler >Is my interaction with the computer? No.

yeah actually it is - *someone* makes the decision of what program to run. And if you want to understand that program, you're faced with the problem of that complexity

you just don't know it

>, in a similar way that a vehicle is.

modern vehicles, unlike roads *are* computers. they are just computers with wheels/motors/brakes/etc controlling devices attached. The main part of a car is its computer -- without the computer modern cars will probably not run.

> One can argue for the merits of motorcycles or bicycles or anything else and protest the closed source tyranny of the public road systems, but I'm still going to use them in my car.

of course, but there's social problems that are already present with our use of cars -- as of the past year or two the standards for car manufacturers are *requiring* software auto-update / malware distribution systems infect *all* vehicles in north america, which means the risk of someone crashing or bricking *all the cars in north america made since ~2022-2023 in a single day* is actually a real one. Increasingly you don't actually control what the car does or doesn't do - the central point of failure has final say

and this political power will be abused by those who controls this central point of failure more with time as there's really no democratic or market feedback mechamism available to keep them from abusing it

Roads don't have this problem as much. You can sit, or drive on a road, regardless what anyone wants, subject to traffic laws /etc. There's some problems there too i guess -- in the sense that i got a parking ticket for not following traffic laws posted on facebook (ie rules for roads + vehicles are also basically becoming a software system in practice). But at least there's a democratic level of control there - - the laws are amenable by a government that you don't *need* a computer to interact with as such