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   Erik Uden 🍑 (erikuden@mastodon.de)'s status on Sunday, 02-Feb-2025 03:46:40 JST Erik Uden 🍑

   This is a public service announcement to never ever use Oracle

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     BeAware (beaware@social.beaware.live)'s status on Sunday, 02-Feb-2025 03:48:35 JST BeAware

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     • bmaxv

     @bmaxv @ErikUden there's this for mastodon.social: https://mastodon.social/privacy-policy

     And for mastodon.de: https://mastodon.de/privacy-policy

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     bmaxv (bmaxv@noc.social)'s status on Sunday, 02-Feb-2025 03:48:36 JST bmaxv

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     @ErikUden sure, but that's in the terms of almost all online products.

     If you don't agree to them, you can probably not post online.

     And by the way, where *are* e.g. mastodon.social's TOS? Not the moderation rules, the actual TOS?

     Because mastodon.social/terms gives me a 404...

     Hmmm where are those for mastodon.de Mr. Vertretungsberechtigter? 😜

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     Tobias Hellgren (thanius@mastodon.chuggybumba.com)'s status on Sunday, 02-Feb-2025 03:55:05 JST Tobias Hellgren

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     @ErikUden What the hell? Not even an explanation? I mean, I've worked with Oracle for a couple of clients before and know that they are utterly incompetent as a company but this is the worst treatment I've ever heard of. I'm so sorry!

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     Erik Uden 🍑 (erikuden@mastodon.de)'s status on Sunday, 02-Feb-2025 03:55:06 JST Erik Uden 🍑

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     I also love how I ask “Is there anything I can do to avoid this happening in the future?” and they respond with “Oh, don't worry. You don't have a future at Oracle. This will not happen to you again, as we don't allow for you to make another account.”

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     Erik Uden 🍑 (erikuden@mastodon.de)'s status on Sunday, 02-Feb-2025 03:55:07 JST Erik Uden 🍑

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     After realizing that my servers were offline since the 25th of January 2025, I've been in contact with Oracle support in a multitude of ways trying to figure out why this happened and how we can recover both the account and data.

     I wasn't told that my account was disabled. I didn't receive an E-Mail or anything. When logging in, I was simply told that my username or password was incorrect. After (successfully) resetting my password twice, I realized it wasn't about the password. Oracle had just deleted my account without any notice.

     Both through calls and text, always with the same service request (SR) number, I contacted support. Initially, support told me that my account was flagged “Inactive” and hence disabled. They also verified that they saw me login almost daily and that I never missed a payment or anything. Even if an account was inactive, that's never a reason to disable it, especially without any warning E-Mail or an E-Mail letting me know that my account was disabled in the first place.

     This chat was the result of all of that, where the highest team I've yet been elevated to told me that there's nothing they can do about it, there's no reason they can tell me for why this happened, and there's no one else I could ask.

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     Erik Uden 🍑 (erikuden@mastodon.de)'s status on Sunday, 02-Feb-2025 04:11:56 JST Erik Uden 🍑

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     Interestingly, two days before Oracle deleted my account and all servers associated with it, I publicly criticized Oracle's CEO in a viral post for promising dystopian AI surveillance technology to his investors.

     https://mastodon.de/@ErikUden/113879369270806353

     What a weird coincidence.

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     Erik Uden 🍑 (erikuden@mastodon.de)'s status on Sunday, 02-Feb-2025 04:11:57 JST Erik Uden 🍑

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     Don't worry: I have backups of all of this. It's just kafkaesque what is happening here.

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     Erik Uden 🍑 (erikuden@mastodon.de)'s status on Sunday, 02-Feb-2025 04:11:58 JST Erik Uden 🍑

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     The tech person at Oracle at least lets me know that they'd feel similarly betrayed and dislike this handling of user data too 🥲✊

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     Tobias Hellgren (thanius@mastodon.chuggybumba.com)'s status on Sunday, 02-Feb-2025 04:51:29 JST Tobias Hellgren

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     • indyradio

     @indyradio Hyperbole of course but not far from.

     @ErikUden

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     indyradio (indyradio@kafeneio.social)'s status on Sunday, 02-Feb-2025 04:51:30 JST indyradio

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     • Tobias Hellgren

     @thanius @ErikUden
     I don't think they're incompetent.

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     funbaker #AssangeIsNotGuilty (funbaker@chaos.social)'s status on Sunday, 02-Feb-2025 04:53:18 JST funbaker #AssangeIsNotGuilty

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     @ErikUden

     Hey Oracle, I will never use your shitty products, your CEO sucks, and I will DO everything in my power that your products are not used anywhere else.

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     Annika Backstrom (annika@xoxo.zone)'s status on Sunday, 02-Feb-2025 05:01:02 JST Annika Backstrom

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     @ErikUden what does one do with an Oracle account

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     DoktorZjivago (doktorzjivago@mastodonsweden.se)'s status on Sunday, 02-Feb-2025 05:26:44 JST DoktorZjivago

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     @ErikUden Yes. There is an old saying:

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     Erik Uden 🍑 (erikuden@mastodon.de)'s status on Sunday, 02-Feb-2025 10:29:25 JST Erik Uden 🍑

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     Moving these servers, despite having no long term impact like data loss, will have some financial impact. Don't feel forced to, your vocal support about this issue was more than enough to turn my evening from a bad to a wonderful one, however if you have the financial resources I'd be happy about a little support:

     https://mastodon.de/@ErikUden/113931409953809719

     Where will this money go to ;)? :Hetzner:

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 02-Feb-2025 10:45:26 JST Rich Felker

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     • Ivor Hewitt

     @ErikUden @ivor I'd give it the opposite odds. Oracle has always been a far right entity, and now they're going even fuhrer that direction trying to get TikTok.

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     Erik Uden 🍑 (erikuden@mastodon.de)'s status on Sunday, 02-Feb-2025 10:45:27 JST Erik Uden 🍑

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     • Ivor Hewitt

     @ivor just to be clear, what I'm saying is a baseless accusation. I'm 99.99% sure that they didn't deliberately do this to mess with me. Although it'd be funny if they did. Even worse: maybe Oracle treats everyone like this, criticics and supporters alike.

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     Ivor Hewitt (ivor@social.ivor.org)'s status on Sunday, 02-Feb-2025 10:45:29 JST Ivor Hewitt

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     @ErikUden it's amazing just how fragile, bitter, vindictive and thin skinned these right wing free speech absolutist capitalists are.

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     7666 (7666@comp.lain.la)'s status on Sunday, 02-Feb-2025 16:43:45 JST 7666

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     @ErikUden people say the hosting market is oversaturated, but the hosting market that *doesn't* do shady or bad shit like this most definitely has room for improvement
     ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: and prettygood like this.
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     tyil (tyil@fedi.tyil.nl)'s status on Sunday, 02-Feb-2025 17:27:38 JST tyil

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     @ErikUden@mastodon.de never ever use OracleI thought we all knew this for a long while already

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     Erik Uden 🍑 (erikuden@mastodon.de)'s status on Monday, 03-Feb-2025 08:25:18 JST Erik Uden 🍑

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     I wish my main and inspiring takeaway here would be that we can fight them and win.

     However, I was in no control here. The fact this resonated with a lot of people causing an internet wide uproar was nice, but Oracle's legal time could've decided to not care.

     Are they taking the wind out of our sails by reinstating my account? Is this their way of admitting and undoing an honest mistake? Would this have happened if I never complained publicly about it, or was my private GDPR request what did the magic here?

     I cannot tell you. All I can say is that your account and all your data still exists on Oracle's servers even over a week after your account has been “irreversibly” wiped. Keep that in mind the next time support tells you there's nothing they can do.

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     Erik Uden 🍑 (erikuden@mastodon.de)'s status on Monday, 03-Feb-2025 08:25:19 JST Erik Uden 🍑

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     How are there Cost and Usage Reports for a time period where my account didn't exist?

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     Erik Uden 🍑 (erikuden@mastodon.de)'s status on Monday, 03-Feb-2025 08:25:20 JST Erik Uden 🍑

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     This morning, on February 2nd 2025 at 06:58 (GMT+1) I've received an E-Mail by Oracle stating “Your Oracle Cloud account has been reactivated.”

     I couldn't believe my eyes and didn't really understand how to respond. At the point in time where I received this E-mail, my post regarding Oracle's mistreatment has already gathered thousands of shares and was also discussed heavily on Hacker News among other platforms.

     My many pleas and requests from the past week didn't do anything. My GDPR request didn't do anything so far. But within a few hours of public complaints and so many people telling me to take this to court... I guess this was simply the easiest way.

     I still don't fully understand the E-Mail I've gotten. It talks about an order about universal credits that occurred at 5:20 AM, where I've been cold asleep. When I login to Oracle Cloud, no such credits exist. Additionally, they don't show up when I look into the “Cost and Usage Reports” under my account management. Even more interesting are the dozens of files showing an account and server activity, with the calculated cost of it all, for a time period where my account was supposedly irreversibly deleted.

     I'll share more interesting findings soon. I am honestly just shocked about this development. I would've expected many things except for a 180.

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     Erik Uden 🍑 (erikuden@mastodon.de)'s status on Monday, 03-Feb-2025 08:57:49 JST Erik Uden 🍑

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     One week of support calls:

     “We cannot provide more details or reactivate your account.”

     “There is no way to recover your account.”

     “There is no team to which to escalate this.”

     12 hours and 39 minutes after a public meltdown regarding their arbitrary deletion and their indifferent, uncooperative sentiment towards that

     “Your Oracle Cloud account has been reactivated.”

     I also dislike the passiveness in that statement. You reactivated it. Doesn't matter if it was an automated system or a human, you did that. It wasn't magically reactivated by some third party, it was you.

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     Daniela Abade :wecan: :Ryyca: (danielaabade@ursal.zone)'s status on Monday, 03-Feb-2025 09:02:37 JST Daniela Abade :wecan: :Ryyca:

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     @ErikUden I suffered exactly the same thing with Hetzner. They simply deleted Ursal.zone account. Thankfully we had backups. But they never said why, never sent a warning mail and never gave my data back.

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     Erik Uden 🍑 (erikuden@mastodon.de)'s status on Monday, 03-Feb-2025 09:02:39 JST Erik Uden 🍑

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     What I'm about to say is obviously just speculation, but if it was some terms of service I was violating, or their system goofing up and believing I was a free tier account and hence them stopping everything as they needed to make space for a paid service, wouldn't my server shut down first and my account be deleted second?

     If there was some problematic material found to be stored on my server, or if I was illegally running a mail-server, TOR exit node, crypto miner, illegal streaming site, or something else that was violating the TOS, wouldn't the server be the first thing they irreversibly nuke?

     The server was apparently constantly running, even when my account was terminated. Its IP address and any public access (ingress, egress rules) were removed or blocked.

     The current uptime is 17 days. This makes everything all the more confusing...

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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Feb-2025 03:46:23 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     😞
     
     ORACLE is a recursive acronym that stands for:
     
     Oracle's Really Assholey Cloud-Lording Environment
     
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     Cadu Silva :v_fb: (cadusilva@bolha.one)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Feb-2025 05:21:01 JST Cadu Silva :v_fb:

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     • Kudra :maybe_verified:
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     @DanielaAbade @kudra @ErikUden yes, currently we're hosted at Hostinger in São Paulo.

     But soon we'll be at some European country with Netcup due to cost savings.

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     Daniela Abade :wecan: :Ryyca: (danielaabade@ursal.zone)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Feb-2025 05:21:02 JST Daniela Abade :wecan: :Ryyca:

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     • Kudra :maybe_verified:
     • Cadu Silva :v_fb:

     @kudra @ErikUden We left, there was nothing to do. How could I sue the guys from Brazil? @cadusilva who is the sysadmin (I'm not a tech person) transfered to some other company called Host something. But we do back-ups every couple of hours, because we can't trust any company anymore.

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     Kudra :maybe_verified: (kudra@aus.social)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Feb-2025 05:21:03 JST Kudra :maybe_verified:

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     • Daniela Abade :wecan: :Ryyca:

     @DanielaAbade @ErikUden damn, and I was thinking of getting an account with them...

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     Cadu Silva :v_fb: (cadusilva@bolha.one)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Feb-2025 05:27:19 JST Cadu Silva :v_fb:

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     • Daniela Abade :wecan: :Ryyca:
     • Matt Panaro

     @eigen I manage the Ursal.zone server and currently we're at Hostinger, soon-to-be with Netcup.

     I'd avoid Hetzner, specially if your content is at least somehow left-leaning.

     After Hertzner SNAFU with Ursal, I deleted my personal account with them and started to suggest people to stay away.

     @DanielaAbade @ErikUden

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     Matt Panaro (eigen@mattstodon.panar.ooo)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Feb-2025 05:27:20 JST Matt Panaro

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     • Daniela Abade :wecan: :Ryyca:

     @DanielaAbade @ErikUden where'd you end up, instead? if this is how Hetzner operates, I should look into switching providers

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     Cadu Silva :v_fb: (cadusilva@bolha.one)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Feb-2025 06:41:49 JST Cadu Silva :v_fb:

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     • Daniela Abade :wecan: :Ryyca:
     • Matt Panaro

     @eigen Hostinger works just fine but here and there they go offline without warning to perform "maintenance".

     Other than that, nothing to complain about. We're only leaving due to cost-cutting as our first year promo is about to end and will become very expensive in our local currency (BRL).

     @DanielaAbade @ErikUden

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     Matt Panaro (eigen@mattstodon.panar.ooo)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Feb-2025 06:41:50 JST Matt Panaro

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     • Cadu Silva :v_fb:

     @cadusilva @DanielaAbade @ErikUden is Hostinger an acceptable alternative to hetzner? or are you specifically moving away from them as well, to Netcup? (I also have the additional complication of being US-Based [hetzner now has 1 or 2 datacenters Stateside {though who knows for how long, at this point, under this administration 😛}])

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     ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Thursday, 06-Feb-2025 17:33:40 JST ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware:

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     @7666 @ErikUden Soon...