@jeffcliff@BowsacNoodle@Holohoots@TrevorGoodchild@wishgranter14 You know, it's funny. I haven't even thought about Jeff Cliff's posts in months. Honestly didn't even know he was still around. Pleroma has this bug where it will show blocked users sometimes.
So I log in and here's this post. Same old Jeff posting the same old faked data as if it's God's holy decree itself, going on five years later now.
@jeffcliff@Holohoots@TrevorGoodchild@wishgranter14@vic I didn't listen to the TV when they propagandized that their untested "vaccine", with its unprecedented zero patient recourse given under coercion and soft bribery, was safe and effective. Why would I care what they say? :gigachadyes:
@Holohoots@BowsacNoodle@TrevorGoodchild@wishgranter14@vic Covid is NOT fucking over. And saying 'no one will be vaxxed' over and over doesn't make it true - people will continue to vaccinate and be vaccinated if they are given an option
@Holohoots@BowsacNoodle@TrevorGoodchild@wishgranter14@vic You can get away with saying this because your instance is blocked by the groups of people who do care, mostly. But you'll find this person does care. And will be encouraging as many people as possible to get vaccinated. I'm not going to "let it go"
> The CDC publication in July 2021 that stated the vaccinated transmit at the same rate as the unvaccinated should have been the end of this.
They were wrong, if they published this. The canada covid hazard index data showed clearly otherwise.
> I remember when OSHA published on their website that they would in fact not be enforcing reporting of adverse effects because it could cause strain on employers trying to get their employees vaccinated.
I remember when OSHA published on their website that they would in fact not be enforcing reporting of adverse effects because it could cause strain on employers trying to get their employees vaccinated.
Just the necessary conclusion following that logic (and easy showing of the irl dot gov page publishing the stance) was an easy red flag that helped me sway some irl shown this to *at least* wait. (Of course, many woeful cowards took it wide-eyed as "So there's no time to lose! Oh, God!")
The CDC publication in July 2021 that stated the vaccinated transmit at the same rate as the unvaccinated should have been the end of this. Alas, people sweat and jerk off to the sound of televisions breathing at them from the closet.
@Holohoots@jeffcliff@BowsacNoodle@TrevorGoodchild@vic c'mon man, the vax is 100% effective. no...wait...it's 90% effective. it will end the scamdemic for good this time. oh...oops...it's actually 80% effective. no, 70% effective. 60% effective? well, alright 50% effective. We're good this time! ok, maybe not, you will just get less sick. no wait, you'll just not die from the coronahoax. oh...oops! i guess it'll just grant you virtue points with fauci for trusting the science.
@wishgranter14@BowsacNoodle@Holohoots@TrevorGoodchild@vic Yeah, that's what happens *when the virus you're targetting evolves*. And why we have boosters that are updated to target newer variants. This isn't 2022 anymore - vaccine escape has occurred more than once and is not some kind of new thing. We need better public health policies than just 'vax and relax' if we're going to get to the end of this pandemic and yes, pandemic -- it's not a 'scamdemic'.
@Holohoots@BowsacNoodle@TrevorGoodchild@wishgranter14@vic It's not cope - it's fact. You can't just vaccinate against a mutating virus like covid, leave a billion susceptibles and expect everything to be fine. You have to do the basics of disease control -- contact tracing, testing, etc
@jeffcliff@BowsacNoodle@Holohoots@TrevorGoodchild@vic literally every vaccine up until this point was one and done, you were not going to get polio, period. as holohoots says, you're just coping with the fact you believe a boat load of lies.
@wishgranter14@BowsacNoodle@Holohoots@TrevorGoodchild@vic This is not accurate. The only real 'one and done' vaccine is tetanus. All the others have failure rates including the big ones(mmr *and especially polio*). There were multiple kinds of polio vaccines with different levels of protection, even.
Many vaccines require multiple doses, for example the recommended DTaP series is 5 doses.
@Holohoots@BowsacNoodle@TrevorGoodchild@wishgranter14@vic It does do something. It reduces severity of disease, probability of death, chance of infection/transmission and lowers the chance of longer-term issues. And rational people will get vaxxed if they are given the correct information about the situation they are in.
@jeffcliff@BowsacNoodle@Holohoots@TrevorGoodchild@vic@webuiltthiscity are you really this retarded? whether i believe in the coronahoax or not is 100% completely irrelevant. the fact you can't understand this, shows just how daft you really are. But I'll spell it out for you. I believe everyone who thinks they got the coronahoax really got the flu or a cold. But that fact is irrelevant. What's relevant is you are struggling to think of even one person who got the injection and didn't get what you believe to be the coronahoax. That proves the clot shot has a 100% failure rate. You have even admitted in this thread that you can't vaccinate against what you believe to be the coronahoax, because of mutations and so on. But like a typical Trudaeu golem, you mindlessly repeat this nonsense that everyone must get vaxxed to end the scamdemic.
> What's relevant is you are struggling to think of even one person who got the injection and didn't get what you believe to be the coronahoax.
We're on year 5 of a disease that has been evolving due to a billion odd hosts. Vaccine escape has happened multiple times *that's why the vaccines have been updated*. We're seeing people get infected 5-10+ times over. And anyway I did come up wit such a person.
> But like a typical Trudaeu golem, you mindlessly repeat this nonsense that everyone must get vaxxed to end the scamdemic.
Vaccination *is not enough* to end this pandemic. We need other interventions, such as closing borders/airports, contact tracing, masks and more if we're going to be serious about it
>I believe everyone who thinks they got the coronahoax really got the flu or a cold.
"Just a cold" does not cause permanent heart, kidney, brain and immune system damage. They call it SARS2 for a reason -- because it's not just some cold.
And it's not the flu, either, for even more obvious reasons - ie it's a totally different kind of virus, with a different seasonality , and different long-term symptoms
Yea, masks are going to work, just like they worked in 2020. Maybe all 8 billion people need to hide in a closet for 2 weeks? We'll flatten that curve! Holy shit are you ever fucking retarded.
> lease tell me why there is no polio in the United States?
Because of a successful polio vaccination campaign.
> Yea, masks are going to work, just like they worked in 2020.
Most people didn't have access to high quality (n95+) masks in 2020. But to the extent that they did, and to the extent they wore masks at all, they did help.
> Maybe all 8 billion people need to hide in a closet for 2 weeks?
No, but they should STAY THE FUCK HOME
> There, the flu causes brain damage.
The damage is not proportional and even if it were there's one flu season per year people can get covid 5x+ per year so the risk is that much proportionally higher
> I've shut down every single one of your retarded fucking arguments.
@jeffcliff@BowsacNoodle@Holohoots@TrevorGoodchild@vic@webuiltthiscity That was a rhetorical question, you absolute mong. Holy shit are you ever fucking retarded. >Combined with the other basic work of public health - contact tracing, surveillance, and testing. They didn't do any of the shit with polio. Holy shit are you ever fucking retarded. >in 2020 we hadn't done the actual science to investigate whether masks would work all that much So, you admit it was all a bunch of bullshit. Holy shit are you ever fucking retarded. >No, but they should STAY THE FUCK HOME IOW, yes, let's all hide in a closet. Just like it worked in 2020. riverdalepress.com/stories/new-covid-cases-people-staying-home-coronavirus-nyc,71784 Holy shit are you ever fucking retarded. >The damage is not proportional and even if it werethere's one flu season per yearpeople can get covid 5x+ per year so the risk is that much proportionally higher People get the flu all through out the year. Cases are higher during the winter, because people are stuck at home. You really are just making up bullshit as you go along. "Holy shit are you ever fucking retarded" just doesn't cut it with this one. You really live in an alternative universe of bullshit and pseudo-scientific nonsense. >Not really. Yes really. Not a single one of your points has withstood scrutiny. And I haven't even bothered going sentence to sentence.
They are *still* doing surveillance and testing on polio in the US. Or were before the FDA shut all that shit down.
> So, you admit it was all a bunch of bullshit.
No, it was a policy informed by what masks actually do, but not rigorously tested during a global pandemic (we have only had N95 masks for so long).
> IOW, yes, let's all hide in a closet. Just like it worked in 2020.
It DID work to reduce R_0 substantially. Millions of lives were saved and we were close to having covid under control . It bought us time to develop vaccines.
> Holy shit are you ever fucking retarded.
Says the person who's probably got multiple rounds of covid brain damage??
> People get the flu all through out the year.
No, generally they don't. The flu comes in identifiable waves and most people get them during the crests.
> Cases are higher during the winter, because people are stuck at home.
And because *that's when the flu is spreading* in part due to global travel patterns, and temperature.
> You really are just making up bullshit as you go along.
No, I'm following the very basics of what science has to tell us about disease. Things like "covid and flu are caused by different viruses, that behave differently when they are in the body" and "masks work" are not some kind of thing that I'm making up. They are what the actual science tells us.
> pseudo-scientific nonsense.
Says the person who's just handwaving the state of the science review and lancet because it goes against your feelings??
@wishgranter14@BowsacNoodle@Holohoots@TrevorGoodchild@vic@webuiltthiscity And not sure where you pulled 'riverdale press' from but most people get it *from schools*. This article from 2020 is heavily outdated and not informed by epidemiological studies that have occurred since on where transmission actually occurs.
@jeffcliff@BowsacNoodle@Holohoots@TrevorGoodchild@vic@webuiltthiscity You really are a fucking retard. Riverdale Press is the local paper of fucking Riverdale and was reporting on news that was happening at that time. It's not curated by some shill in Washington DC. >it was a policy informed by what masks actually do And they don't prevent the spread of virus'. They have never ever been used in such a manner, but by those who do not understand how virus' are spread. Holy shit you are a fucking retard. >It DID work to reduce R_0 substantially You actually believe this bullshit. You really do live in an alternative universe. I like the way you use "R_0" to make yourself look smart, but you're actually a fucking retard. >Millions of lives were saved and we were close to having covid under control . For which there is zero evidence, only conjecture and speculation. Holy shit you are a fucking retard. >Says the person who's probably got multiple rounds of covid brain damage?? You're the one who got the coronahoax, not me. >And because *that's when the flu is spreading* in part due to global travel patterns, and temperature. >No, generally they don't. Yes, they generally do. People get the flu in spring, summer, winter, and fall. Holy shit you are a fucking retard. >I'm following the very basics of what science has to tell us about disease You are not following science, because you got the coronahoax, and I didn't. If you were following science, you would never have gotten it. Holy shit you are a fucking retard. > it goes against your feelings It goes against the facts. Those big institutions are filled with Fauci cultists who will do anything and everything to defend the policies he created. That's how our system works. You put a head of an agency or company, whether it be a director or CEO, and everyone follows suit because if they don't they are fired. Holy shit you are a fucking retard.
> ard. Riverdale Press is the local paper of fucking Riverdale and was reporting on news that was happening at that time.
WE ARE STILL AT THE TIME COVID IS NOT OVER
> And they don't prevent the spread of virus'.
Yes they do, and you clearly didn't read the state of the science review i just posted.
> They have never ever been used in such a manner,
Yes they have, in ERs, ORs cancer wards and infectious disease wards around the world
> I like the way you use "R_0" to make yourself look smart, but you're actually a fucking retard.
No, I use it to be accurate
> For which there is zero evidence,
There's plenty of evidence. And i've posted it over and over again.
> only conjecture and speculation.
This is however BS.
> You're the one who got the coronahoax, not me.
I got the *vaccine* and have been self-isolated since the local government decided to let covid rip in my community.
Are you conflating the two now?
> People get the flu in spring, summer, winter, and fall.
Not usually - usually there's a single wave, depending on your region determines when that wave hits. Sometimes you get two subwaves (one for A and B). Right now we're at the beginning of such a wave in canada.
> and I didn't.
And how often are you testing??
> institutions are filled with Fauci cultists
No. I am not a fauci cultist, either. There's a whole world of public health agencies and groups like the covid hazard index (which is not affiliated with fauci) that say the same goddamn thing.
> who will do anything and everything to defend the policies he created.
I don't defend fauci or his policies. HIS POLICIES LET COVID HAPPEN
> everyone follows suit because if they don't they are fired.
No one in canada is getting fired for talking shit about fauci
@wishgranter14@BowsacNoodle@Holohoots@TrevorGoodchild@vic@webuiltthiscity No, you didn't. You didn't "debunk" the lancet. you didn't "debunk" covid being a different family of virus than the flu. You didn't "debunk" canada's epidemiological flu data. You didn't "debunk" the canada covid hazard index's data. You just threw FUD around calling people aligned with fauci who were not, calling people biased without any evidence or reason.
@jeffcliff@BowsacNoodle@Holohoots@TrevorGoodchild@vic@webuiltthiscity nope, it was all debooonked. it's quite simple, if masks and vaxxes worked, antivaxxers would be drowning in the coronahoax. we would all have had that winter of death. but we did not. all that "research" and effort that was put into those lancet, et al. studies was all for naught. because the facts remain regardless of their academics. street smarts will always defeat book smarts. because that's where the action is.
> it's quite simple, if masks and vaxxes worked, antivaxxers would be drowning in the coronahoax.
You are. Until fairly recently the unvaxxed were still driving admissions to the hospitals in ontario despite making up <5% of the population. There is a direct relationship between people not having up to date vaccinations and negative outcomes when infected with covid that the canada covid hazard index tracks . Masks have been shown to help, although obviously if you're wearing a poorly fitted surgical mask it's not going to do much but we're now 5 years into to this pandemic and unless you are extremely vigilant with masks it is likely that you will be infected. The vaccine one of your last layers of defense against a virus that has been allowed continue to mutate vaccine escape variants.
> we would all have had that winter of death. but we did not.
40 million people died and counting. We've had quite a few 'winters of death'
>because the facts remain regardless of their academics.
Oh now suddenly all the academics, in all the countries in all the world are all wrong because you decided they were
> street smarts will always defeat book smarts. because that's where the action is.
Ah yes the 'guy with street smarts' who knows more than doctors and epidemiologists who study disease. Very smart.
@wishgranter14@BowsacNoodle@Holohoots@TrevorGoodchild@vic@webuiltthiscity it happened for *everyone*. But the vaccinated have had a layer of protection that the unvaccinated did not have, and the outcomes show it -- unvaccinated and less-recently vaccinated continue to die at a disproportionate rate *which is why the death rate is so high here and in alberta*
@jeffcliff@BowsacNoodle@Holohoots@TrevorGoodchild@vic@webuiltthiscity No, those people died of malpractice. Every single report I saw on the news was some guys covinsane girlfriend forced them to goto the hospital because he had the sniffles, and the disciples of fauci at the hospital promptly put him on remdesivir and then ventilated causing their deaths. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. >While in the hospital, his condition declined and he was eventually moved to the ICU with pneumonia on September 1. Sounds like that's what happened to this guy. He contracted the flu, they named it convid, because fauci said so, and the rest is history.
@jeffcliff@BowsacNoodle@Holohoots@TrevorGoodchild@vic@webuiltthiscity Wrong. They were remdesiviring and ventilating everyone. Nearly every single thing you say is a lie or a distortion of the truth. >No, "pneumonia" is not the flu. Pneumonia is a condition brought about (usually) by a severe reaction to the flu, which causes death. In the case of convid, it was remdesivir that caused pneumonia, which according to the fauci doctrine you then put them on a ventilator. Which is absurd, because pneumonia causes your lungs to fill up with water and forcing air into a water clogged lung is what murdered these people. But go on, and continue to worship your cult master. It's too bad they didn't remdesivir and ventilate you already, but I guess it's not too late. You being a devoted cultist, will demand such treatment.
@jeffcliff@BowsacNoodle@Holohoots@TrevorGoodchild@vic@webuiltthiscity that's what all the reports that came out during the scamdemic said. it's the new york times, and many others, all said that's what the protocol was. it's what all the reports of antivaxxers who allegedly died of convid said. again, with lies and distortions of the truth. but now you're seriously using bill gates as a source now? lmfao! you really honestly believe bill gates is a humanitarian. holy shit you are a retard.
@wishgranter14@BowsacNoodle@Holohoots@TrevorGoodchild@vic@webuiltthiscity you're the only one in this thread talking about the IMF but even if it were true the IMF funds bill gates merely working with fauci doesn't mean anything to what I'm saying here. None of these things that I'm linking you to came from fauci and I certainly don't think bill gates is a humanitarian
@jeffcliff@BowsacNoodle@Holohoots@TrevorGoodchild@vic@webuiltthiscity you remind me of those clowns who think CEOs don't control the companies they are in charge of. those studies came from fauci and gates, because the organizations they run, fund, and control executed those studies. holy shit you are too retarded to live. KYS
First you were talking about ventilators, then IMF, then some "studies", now the WHO ...all the while never mentioning a shred of evidence of anything that you're talking about.
@jeffcliff@BowsacNoodle@Holohoots@TrevorGoodchild@vic@webuiltthiscity statista is the source, you absolute mong. how else do you think these studies are funded? who do you think funds them? do you honestly think the researchers pull the money out of their assholes? you really are too stupid to function in normal society.
@wishgranter14@BowsacNoodle@Holohoots@TrevorGoodchild@vic@webuiltthiscity the retardation is on your side your own data says that bill gates is only a minority player in the WHO your data says *nothing* about bill gates controlling reserach your data says *nothing* about any specific study of course the WHO is going to be involved in helping out during a global public health crisis but it doesn't mean it's going to be involved by controlling every level
> NIAID, CDC, and the WHO are the largest medical organizations in the world,
but are not the only medical organizations in the world
> and are/were primarily controlled by fauci and gates.
fauci did not control the WHO
> the studies that you listen to all back up the propaganda that the WHO, CDC, and NIAID state.
If by that you mean, find that the "propaganda" is accurate.
> it only stands to reason the overwelming majority of those studies are funded by said organizations.
No, you are slipping in 'overwhelming' and 'majority' here.
You've got a whole bunch of missing steps here. It's not the majority, and much of what they do is *science* -- ie finding out what actually happens. That's why it's expensive - you can make bullshit about vaccines like you're doing for basically free. To actually make sure that your data is good costs a lot.
@jeffcliff@BowsacNoodle@Holohoots@TrevorGoodchild@vic@webuiltthiscity NIAID, CDC, and the WHO are the largest medical organizations in the world, and are/were primarily controlled by fauci and gates. the studies that you listen to all back up the propaganda that the WHO, CDC, and NIAID state. it only stands to reason the overwelming majority of those studies are funded by said organizations. this logical deduction is only difficult if you suffer from severe retardation.
further, many news articles, books, podcasts, etc, that I've consumed throughout the years have stated exact studies and that they funded them. i can't be bothered to link you every last one. i can't undo your retardation by doing so.
@jeffcliff@BowsacNoodle@Holohoots@TrevorGoodchild@vic@webuiltthiscity if you can't see obvious then there's no point in discussing anything with someone who can't see obvious. maybe you want to continue to believe fauci's lies, because you're too proud to admit you fell for a hoax. fine. i don't give a shit.