The Dutch perhaps spend more on video games yet we have a LOT less gun violence 🇺🇸
I wonder why... 🔫 ❌ 🇳🇱
The Dutch perhaps spend more on video games yet we have a LOT less gun violence 🇺🇸
I wonder why... 🔫 ❌ 🇳🇱
Thats like saying "The dutch banned vaccines, therefore we have a lot fewer vaccine deaths, I wonder why"
I mean of course you do, that doesnt make it a win anymore than eliminating vaccines would be a win.
@stux Spending too much time inside playing video games instead of going outside to play with guns 🤪
Gun violence exicsts NOT because we play violent video games or watch violent movies
It's because the incredicibly stupid laws the politicians keep in place
You can think whatever you want but at the end of day the facts are clear
I don't care about "your rights to bear arms", it's 2024 not 1800
Not sure how you are confused.. when you make something illegal that is used to save your life when someone is trying to kill you with a knife, it isnt a win that you eliminated gun deaths and replaced them with being killed by other means.
Much as when making vaccines illegal you effectively will eliminate all deaths via vaccine, but now replace those deaths with even more deaths from the virus itself.
Same thing, not sure why that concept would confuse you.
inb4 be sure if you use numbers you compare netherlands to itself both before and after a change. Any other comparison would be dishonest due to confounding.
@freemo What...
Yes, bananas are wheels for computers! I see
@stux It seems to be you who doesnt get it, but your always welcome to disengage.
@freemo Sorry but you don't get it.. like at all so im gonna stop wasting my time sorry ❤️
It's okay
@stux I am also in the country that when the Israli mob was trying to murder me I was allowed to arm myself and ensure I stayed alive... I am in the country that didnt insist I let someone kill me just because it cares more about replacing one gun death with 10 knife deaths and calling that a win.
@freemo Okay! :blobcathighfive:
Your in the country with endless gun deaths but im the one who doesn't get it 😉
Thats what i mean haha
@stux The people who praise replacing one gun death with 10 knife deaths by making guns illegal are the same people who never stood up to people doing evil who were capable and willing to kill you.
When you are the one people are trying to kill your opinion on guns changes real quick. I certainly never bothered owning a gun before then. Now I open-carry with a license.
At least youd be honest with yourself.
Ok, the point. No one said the usa is universally superior to the brits. You can find tons of things we so wrong. Giving our people the freesom tonprotect themselves isnt one of them
Are you seriously just making things up that i never even suggested. Please show me whatni said that even hints at that being my opinion....
@diego @freemo You can keep coming up with all the excuses in the world but it still won't change a single thing about the fact from my first post 😉
All you can do is drive attention away from the real issue, it's nothing new
I guess :🤷: i certainly never said anything like that.
@freemo @diego I think Diego misread my first post dismissing that whole thing :blobcatgiggle:
I
never claimed your post is factuallymincorrext. Just like it is factually correct making vaccines illegal will eliminate vaccine deaths.
Being factually correct isnt the same as interpriting the facts correcrly.
Foe the recors in my 40 years living in one of the biggest cities I have never once seen anyone threatened with a gun nor ha e i ever known a single person who has.. in fact tbe only time i was near to a mass shooting at all and witnessed gun violence was in the Netherlands.
Indeed they do. With virtually every country if you compare their violent crime and homicide rates both before and after a gun ban the rates sky rocket for many years after and never return to normal.
So yes there are more people dying as a result of their gun laws and that can be seen across most nations that have had gun bans and inferred to be the same effect in the netherlands.
Most of the data for this i have is for other countroes like england, ireland, jamaica, but sadly limited data on the netherlands on hand.
@freemo @stux But do Dutch have negative effects though? I don't have impression they have bad crime rates.
Statistics also show that e.g. the US have more violent crime per capita so it doesn't look like guns help much.
@stux I agree with you, but in the US it’s that gun owners here as a collective have decided that dead mall shoppers, dead schoolchildren, and huge numbers of self-inflicted gun deaths are an *acceptable cost* of being able to own guns.
It’s not about “the right to bear arms”—that’s just rationalization. It’s about being so utterly selfish that one’s ability to play with guns is far more important than other people dying because of one’s hobby.
Whose BS, no one here actually made the claim you stated...
Its almost like "Cum hoc ergo propter hoc" is a logical fallacy or something... Who wulda thunk, not this scientist.
Just factually false. The reason you cant compare homicide rates to gun ratea across countries is due to confounding and isnt simply because some places are violent while others arent.
If you analyze the numbers according to proper scientific analysis where you loom at homicide rates before and after a change in gun laws kt cecomes very clear that banning guns in thr usa or anywhere else drastically increases violent crimes and homicide. I have posted thr stats on this countless times.
Again you do not xompare nations at all, that would be bad stats. You always compare a nation to itself both before and after a ban. In virtually all cases thenpattern is the same, huge increase in deaths following a ban that never fully recovers (but you do get partial rebound).
When im by the computer i can cind thr england data again. Its also been shown at the state levelnin thrbusa and again, deathtoll rises as well
Since we are talking abojt all homicide and violence, there is more than ample data.
Homicide went down along with the world wide trend in australia. But violent crimes went up, specifically sexual assault and robbery both skyrocketed .
You can argue many countries are different, doesnt change thr fact that thebpattern ia seen in botb developed and undeveloped nations.
Sounds traumatic, sorry you felt in danger, but I'm glad you took steps to responsibly protect yourself and your loved ones.
Thank you. It was the threat on my family that was the hardest.
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