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   stux⚡️ (stux@mstdn.social)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 02:59:41 JST stux⚡️

   The Dutch perhaps spend more on video games yet we have a LOT less gun violence 🇺🇸

   I wonder why... 🔫 ❌ 🇳🇱

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 03:01:33 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @stux

     Thats like saying "The dutch banned vaccines, therefore we have a lot fewer vaccine deaths, I wonder why"

     I mean of course you do, that doesnt make it a win anymore than eliminating vaccines would be a win.

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     ClickyMcTicker (clickymcticker@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 03:01:41 JST ClickyMcTicker

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     @stux Spending too much time inside playing video games instead of going outside to play with guns 🤪

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     stux⚡️ (stux@mstdn.social)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 03:02:18 JST stux⚡️

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     Gun violence exicsts NOT because we play violent video games or watch violent movies

     It's because the incredicibly stupid laws the politicians keep in place

     You can think whatever you want but at the end of day the facts are clear

     I don't care about "your rights to bear arms", it's 2024 not 1800

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 03:05:42 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     Not sure how you are confused.. when you make something illegal that is used to save your life when someone is trying to kill you with a knife, it isnt a win that you eliminated gun deaths and replaced them with being killed by other means.

     Much as when making vaccines illegal you effectively will eliminate all deaths via vaccine, but now replace those deaths with even more deaths from the virus itself.

     Same thing, not sure why that concept would confuse you.

     inb4 be sure if you use numbers you compare netherlands to itself both before and after a change. Any other comparison would be dishonest due to confounding.

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     stux⚡️ (stux@mstdn.social)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 03:05:43 JST stux⚡️

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     @freemo What...

     Yes, bananas are wheels for computers! I see

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 03:08:57 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @stux It seems to be you who doesnt get it, but your always welcome to disengage.

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     stux⚡️ (stux@mstdn.social)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 03:08:58 JST stux⚡️

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     @freemo Sorry but you don't get it.. like at all so im gonna stop wasting my time sorry ❤️

     It's okay

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 03:11:37 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @stux I am also in the country that when the Israli mob was trying to murder me I was allowed to arm myself and ensure I stayed alive... I am in the country that didnt insist I let someone kill me just because it cares more about replacing one gun death with 10 knife deaths and calling that a win.

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     stux⚡️ (stux@mstdn.social)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 03:11:38 JST stux⚡️

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     @freemo Okay! :blobcathighfive:

     Your in the country with endless gun deaths but im the one who doesn't get it 😉

     Thats what i mean haha

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 03:14:26 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @stux The people who praise replacing one gun death with 10 knife deaths by making guns illegal are the same people who never stood up to people doing evil who were capable and willing to kill you.

     When you are the one people are trying to kill your opinion on guns changes real quick. I certainly never bothered owning a gun before then. Now I open-carry with a license.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 03:27:45 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @threalist

     At least youd be honest with yourself.

     @stux

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     🌲-alist (threalist@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 03:27:46 JST 🌲-alist

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     OK, ..but what if it makes me FEAL better to support gun bans?
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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 04:01:59 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @diego

     Ok, the point. No one said the usa is universally superior to the brits. You can find tons of things we so wrong. Giving our people the freesom tonprotect themselves isnt one of them

     @stux

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     diego (diego@lounge.collabfc.com)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 04:02:05 JST diego

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     Your legislation on murder is so pathetically weak we have to incarcerate your murders...
     
     https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-61188020
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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 04:15:25 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @diego

     Are you seriously just making things up that i never even suggested. Please show me whatni said that even hints at that being my opinion....

     @stux

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     diego (diego@lounge.collabfc.com)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 04:15:26 JST diego

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     Are you seriously suggesting that video game revenue is hard linked with homicide rate?
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     stux⚡️ (stux@mstdn.social)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 04:15:27 JST stux⚡️

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     • diego

     @diego @freemo You can keep coming up with all the excuses in the world but it still won't change a single thing about the fact from my first post 😉

     All you can do is drive attention away from the real issue, it's nothing new

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 04:18:15 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @stux

     I guess :🤷: i certainly never said anything like that.

     @diego

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     stux⚡️ (stux@mstdn.social)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 04:18:16 JST stux⚡️

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     • diego

     @freemo @diego I think Diego misread my first post dismissing that whole thing :blobcatgiggle:

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 04:26:06 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @stux

     I
     never claimed your post is factuallymincorrext. Just like it is factually correct making vaccines illegal will eliminate vaccine deaths.

     Being factually correct isnt the same as interpriting the facts correcrly.

     Foe the recors in my 40 years living in one of the biggest cities I have never once seen anyone threatened with a gun nor ha e i ever known a single person who has.. in fact tbe only time i was near to a mass shooting at all and witnessed gun violence was in the Netherlands.

     @diego

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 04:29:37 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @shuro

     Indeed they do. With virtually every country if you compare their violent crime and homicide rates both before and after a gun ban the rates sky rocket for many years after and never return to normal.

     So yes there are more people dying as a result of their gun laws and that can be seen across most nations that have had gun bans and inferred to be the same effect in the netherlands.

     Most of the data for this i have is for other countroes like england, ireland, jamaica, but sadly limited data on the netherlands on hand.

     @stux

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     shuro (shuro@friends.deko.cloud)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 04:29:40 JST shuro

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     @freemo @stux But do Dutch have negative effects though? I don't have impression they have bad crime rates.

     Statistics also show that e.g. the US have more violent crime per capita so it doesn't look like guns help much.

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     Dave Rahardja (drahardja@sfba.social)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 04:42:14 JST Dave Rahardja

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     @stux I agree with you, but in the US it’s that gun owners here as a collective have decided that dead mall shoppers, dead schoolchildren, and huge numbers of self-inflicted gun deaths are an *acceptable cost* of being able to own guns.

     It’s not about “the right to bear arms”—that’s just rationalization. It’s about being so utterly selfish that one’s ability to play with guns is far more important than other people dying because of one’s hobby.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 04:56:55 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @diego

     Whose BS, no one here actually made the claim you stated...

     @stux

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     diego (diego@lounge.collabfc.com)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 04:56:56 JST diego

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     I think your BS just encountered someone who developed who has "domain knowledge".
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     ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 08:52:41 JST ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware:

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     @realcaseyrollins @stux @freemo >guns are banned in Venezuela :nixon_smug:
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     realcaseyrollins ✝️ (realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 08:52:42 JST realcaseyrollins ✝️

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     @stux @freemo @stux @freemo
     I think these countries need to change their gun laws!
     
     https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country
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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 09:02:01 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @dcc @stux @realcaseyrollins

     Its almost like "Cum hoc ergo propter hoc" is a logical fallacy or something... Who wulda thunk, not this scientist.

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     Based Ocean Enjoyer (diceyocean@annihilation.social)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 09:04:05 JST Based Ocean Enjoyer

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     @dcc @realcaseyrollins @freemo @stux I wonder what drives someone to sperg about gun policy in US. If the person doesn't live there why should he care about domestic policy of a people that isn't his own. Just the same as caring about gun policy in Somalia if you think about it. Foreign policy is another issue. But internal policy in US should be entertainment
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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 12:48:40 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @anubis2814 @stux @threalist

     Just factually false. The reason you cant compare homicide rates to gun ratea across countries is due to confounding and isnt simply because some places are violent while others arent.

     If you analyze the numbers according to proper scientific analysis where you loom at homicide rates before and after a change in gun laws kt cecomes very clear that banning guns in thr usa or anywhere else drastically increases violent crimes and homicide. I have posted thr stats on this countless times.

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     anubis2814 (anubis2814@friendica.myportal.social)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 12:48:44 JST anubis2814

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     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
     @freemo @stux @threalist I get if you are in another nation where violence is high, but Europe, certain parts o east Asia, and the US are the safest nations to live. Comparing it to a place where violent attacks happen often is not really comparable. i looked up home invasion stats in the US. 100 per year. That's 2 for each state. Most gun violence is caused by tempers from a disagreement. In a nation where you were, yes having a gun would probably make you safer. Here in the US it just increases your chances of committing suicide or your kid finding it and shooting themselves.
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     @anubis2814 @shuro @stux

     Again you do not xompare nations at all, that would be bad stats. You always compare a nation to itself both before and after a ban. In virtually all cases thenpattern is the same, huge increase in deaths following a ban that never fully recovers (but you do get partial rebound).

     When im by the computer i can cind thr england data again. Its also been shown at the state levelnin thrbusa and again, deathtoll rises as well

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     anubis2814 (anubis2814@friendica.myportal.social)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 12:53:45 JST anubis2814

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     @freemo @stux @shuro Ireland was going through the troubles at the time, that's hardly a comparable state. Jamaica is also a developing nation. England would be interesting to know the data on if you can site it. Comparing a developing nation to a developed one in terms of gun violence is comparing apples to oranges.
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     @anubis2814 @stux @threalist

     Since we are talking abojt all homicide and violence, there is more than ample data.

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     @freemo @stux @threalist K, I don't know or follow you, so the fact that you've posted things in the past is useless to me. Also the NRA has gotten the US government to completely ban any government research on this topic so there is a lot of muddy areas and police in the Us don't share their databases. We don't know because there is not proper scientific analysis because the data collection is purposely hamstrung.
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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 13:07:37 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @anubis2814 @stux @threalist

     Homicide went down along with the world wide trend in australia. But violent crimes went up, specifically sexual assault and robbery both skyrocketed .

     You can argue many countries are different, doesnt change thr fact that thebpattern ia seen in botb developed and undeveloped nations.

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     @freemo @stux @threalist K, Nations are very different with different circumstances. You use or Ireland and Jamaica as examples are not even remotely comparable to the US. Homicide rates stayed steady after the ban in Australia from 1996 to 2002, and then dropped drastically. Austalia is a way closer comparator to the US than Ireland during the troubles.
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     Nicholas Conrad (nicholas@aklp.club)'s status on Monday, 02-Sep-2024 03:13:27 JST Nicholas Conrad

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     Sounds traumatic, sorry you felt in danger, but I'm glad you took steps to responsibly protect yourself and your loved ones.

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     @nicholas

     Thank you. It was the threat on my family that was the hardest.

     @stux

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     customdesigned@qoto.org's status on Saturday, 07-Sep-2024 05:56:20 JST customdesigned

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     @freemo @stux Ironically, a similar provision was made for the Jews when Haman obtained a decree allowing their extermination. Esther 8

     "By these letters the king permitted the Jews in each and every city the right to assemble and defend themselves, to destroy, kill, and annihilate all the forces of any people or province hostile to them, including women and children, and to plunder their possessions. The single day appointed throughout all the provinces of King Xerxes was the thirteenth day of the twelfth month, the month of Adar."

     The decree to allow their extermination could not be revoked. But the additional decree gave official permission for the Jews to arm and defend themselves.