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≠ (amerika@annihilation.social)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jun-2024 00:36:16 JST ≠
@SockPuppet @dcc @Forestofenchantment @PurpCat @p @0 @eriner @istvan @viber @dj @FourOh-LLC @doonxib @Hoss

It's interesting how much the #fediverse is in denial of these things:

1. Big Social is bigger for a reason: you can reach audience, share information, and maintain networks. This is what normal people use the internet for.
2. The Fediverse has failed to attain that status for the same reason FOSS lingers in the dark: they did what they were comfortable doing and went no further.
3. Free speech is a binary. Other than spam and CP, everything has to be included... or you go down the path of Big Social. No one will notice because they are dumb but utility will decrease. Unfortunately, this requires tolerating both poa.st and brony.social.
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  pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jun-2024 00:36:15 JST pistolero
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  > It's interesting how much the #fediverse is in denial of these things:
  
  I would very much like if you were willing to distinguish between "That is not a concern of mine because it does not interfere with any goal I have." and "I don't think that's real."
  
  > 1. Big Social is bigger for a reason: you can reach audience, share information, and maintain networks. This is what normal people use the internet for.
  
  I am not making a product for them: I am conversing with friends on a federated network. If anything, the Gablin flood proved that this would be a disaster. The normies like using Twitter and Facebook and Instagram and so if I want to address them, I'll go there. I don't want to address them.
  
  I have a mail server, and I have not set up webmail, because everyone that uses that mail server is just fine with IMAP. If you come in and tell me that normies want webmail, and I say that's fine but I do not.
  
  > 2. The Fediverse has failed to attain that status for the same reason FOSS lingers in the dark: they did what they were comfortable doing and went no further.
  
  "If it's not popular, I don't care about it."
  
  Stop trying to YOLD the fedi (it will get you exactly what YOLD got Linux: a bunch of horseshit jammed into an OS that your mom still does not use), but if you're going to, then stop assuming that anyone else has that goal. There's the extremely branding-conscious mastodon.social echo chamber. That is the sort of thing you do if you want to appeal to normies. I'm here, not there, because I don't want to be there: it's not my scene. I like what is here and I would like to improve what is here, not turn it into something else with the hope that it will be enjoyed by people that I don't want to talk to, people that don't show up regardless.
  
  I have typed a variation on that paragraph in nearly every post I have put into this thread. You ignore that and then say "You're all in denial!" We even have a case study: Soapbox. It's the same backend as Pleroma and Akkoma, but no one deploys it aside from people that Gleason has personally persuaded. People outside fedi see "Kirkland Signature Twitter". Trying to appeal to normies creates appeal for no one. Here, here you go: http://meaningness.com/metablog/geeks-mops-sociopaths
  
  > 3. Free speech is a binary. Other than spam and CP, everything has to be included
  
  Well, no argument from me on that point: editorial control over what people can post turns the place into a mall.
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  dobó istván (istvan@noauthority.social)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jun-2024 01:07:15 JST dobó istván
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  @p @amerika @dcc @Forestofenchantment @PurpCat @0 @SockPuppet @eriner @viber @dj @FourOh-LLC @doonxib @Hoss >> Kirkland Signature Twitter
  I am going to suffer pain tomorrow from laughing so hard today. jfc, CostCo Twitter isn’t wrong but it’s top tier mean.
  
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  pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jun-2024 01:08:37 JST pistolero
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  @amerika @istvan @0 @Forestofenchantment @FourOh-LLC @Hoss @PurpCat @SockPuppet @dcc @dj @doonxib @eriner @viber Early cars looked a lot like carriages. If you don't yet understand what you're making, because it is new, then you start with something that you do understand. There has been significant divergence in the intervening years.
  
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  ≠ (amerika@annihilation.social)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jun-2024 01:08:38 JST ≠
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  @istvan @p @dcc @Forestofenchantment @PurpCat @0 @SockPuppet @eriner @viber @dj @FourOh-LLC @doonxib @Hoss
  
  If the Fediverse did not want to be seen as a Twitter clone, maybe it should not have cloned Twitter, Friendster, and Facebook?
  
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  (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jun-2024 01:59:50 JST
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  @p @amerika @dcc @Forestofenchantment @PurpCat @0 @SockPuppet @eriner @istvan @viber @dj @FourOh-LLC @doonxib @Hoss >IMAP
  Bloat, just cat files in /var/spool/mail.
  
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  pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jun-2024 02:20:33 JST pistolero
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  @mint @0 @Forestofenchantment @FourOh-LLC @Hoss @PurpCat @SockPuppet @amerika @dcc @dj @doonxib @eriner @istvan @viber It is nice to have threads, although I do have a reasonable time when using upas/nedmail, so maybe I will move the mail server to the Plan 9 machine.
  
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  pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jun-2024 02:46:59 JST pistolero
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  @0 @Forestofenchantment @FourOh-LLC @Hoss @PurpCat @SockPuppet @amerika @dcc @dj @doonxib @eriner @istvan @viber Yeah, definitely. I've tried to drag people here because I thought they would enjoy it or that I would enjoy them being here, with varying success.
  
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  0 (https://gh0st.live/users/0)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jun-2024 02:47:00 JST 0
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  @p @amerika @dcc @Forestofenchantment @PurpCat @SockPuppet @eriner @istvan @viber @dj @FourOh-LLC @doonxib @Hoss
  
  I know that when I made an instance I instantly thought "I want my friends to be here" though; not really "the public" but as state I don't explicitly judge social networks by their amenability to propaganda.
  
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  0 (https://gh0st.live/users/0)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jun-2024 02:47:01 JST 0
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  @p @Forestofenchantment @FourOh-LLC @Hoss @PurpCat @SockPuppet @amerika @dcc @dj @doonxib @eriner @istvan @viber
  
  "We use fedi like a phone, to talk to people."
  
  ERROR, ERROR, UNPROCESSABLE ENTRY.
  
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  pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jun-2024 02:47:01 JST pistolero
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  @0 @Forestofenchantment @FourOh-LLC @Hoss @PurpCat @SockPuppet @amerika @dcc @dj @doonxib @eriner @istvan @viber I mean, maybe it's that "uncool kids smoking behind the cafeteria" thing (I did not read the thread until the part where I got tagged), like...I don't recall going to the punk rock show or the computer lab or this electronics surplus, like...barn (I don't know how else to describe it) in Torrance or Gardena and saying "Wow, I wish the cool kids were here." or "This place really needs more normies. Maybe a Contributor Covenant would make them feel at home."
  
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  0 (https://gh0st.live/users/0)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jun-2024 02:47:02 JST 0
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  @p @amerika @dcc @Forestofenchantment @PurpCat @SockPuppet @eriner @istvan @viber @dj @FourOh-LLC @doonxib @Hoss
  
  > You ignore that and then say "You're all in denial!"
  
  That's why he finds the broadcasting-to-retards model of Gab more organic. He doesn't read or process replies, he's just spewing.
  
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  pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jun-2024 02:52:57 JST pistolero
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  @Suzu @0 @Forestofenchantment @FourOh-LLC @Hoss @PurpCat @SockPuppet @amerika @dcc @dj @doonxib @eriner @istvan @viber Many such cases.
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  Suzu (suzu@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jun-2024 02:52:59 JST Suzu
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  @p @amerika @dcc @Forestofenchantment @PurpCat @0 @SockPuppet @eriner @istvan @viber @dj @FourOh-LLC @doonxib @Hoss "wow, I really wish more normies would join my hobby/club/game/whatever".
  Words that were never uttered by anyone with more than two braincells.
  
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  DDroid (d-droid@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jun-2024 03:01:52 JST DDroid
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  @p @amerika @dcc @Forestofenchantment @PurpCat @0 @SockPuppet @eriner @istvan @viber @dj @FourOh-LLC @doonxib @Hoss It is literally so much better to have a smaller more intelligent community than a giant mall that anyone can come into. 8ch vs 4ch proved that.
  
  You can’t discuss anything on twitter without the worst people finding it. Being able to have discussions without the mentally ill freaks on normal big socials is worth paying money for
  
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  dobó istván (istvan@noauthority.social)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jun-2024 03:01:52 JST dobó istván
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  @D-Droid @amerika @dcc @Forestofenchantment @PurpCat @p @0 @SockPuppet @eriner @viber @dj @FourOh-LLC @doonxib @Hoss Sounds like a better use case for private IRC than Fedi tbh.
  
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  DDroid (d-droid@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jun-2024 03:01:53 JST DDroid
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  @p @amerika @dcc @Forestofenchantment @PurpCat @0 @SockPuppet @eriner @istvan @viber @dj @FourOh-LLC @doonxib @Hoss People need to stop treating fedi like it’s a way to “redpill the normies” the normies are retarded and they ruined the interne. Fedi will never be a big social in a mainstream way, its not supposed to be that,
  it’s supposed to be like old internet forums.
  
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  @istvan @D-Droid @amerika @Forestofenchantment @PurpCat @p @0 @SockPuppet @eriner @viber @dj @FourOh-LLC @doonxib @Hoss Irc chats are what "groups" should be.
  
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  pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jun-2024 03:07:13 JST pistolero
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  @istvan @D-Droid @amerika @dcc @Forestofenchantment @PurpCat @0 @SockPuppet @eriner @viber @dj @FourOh-LLC @doonxib @Hoss Groups are groups. It was @amerika and sim that convinced me they were a good idea.
  
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  dobó istván (istvan@noauthority.social)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jun-2024 03:07:40 JST dobó istván
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  @dcc @amerika @Forestofenchantment @PurpCat @p @0 @SockPuppet @eriner @viber @dj @FourOh-LLC @D-Droid @doonxib @Hoss Was trying to think of something to share files between old and new computers on a central server. Some of them are too old for new SSL.
  Spent days looking at broke ass web clients, DAV, shoehorning Dropbox into everything before I remembered.
  Wait, there was this thing supported EVERYWHERE that solved ALL of these problems called ftp.
  And they murdered it.
  
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  waffle (house@annihilation.social)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jun-2024 03:56:44 JST waffle
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  @dcc @istvan @0 @D-Droid @Forestofenchantment @FourOh-LLC @Hoss @PurpCat @SockPuppet @amerika @dj @doonxib @eriner @p @viber but we got xmpp mucs
  
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  0 (https://gh0st.live/users/0)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jun-2024 03:57:17 JST 0
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  @istvan @dcc @amerika @Forestofenchantment @PurpCat @p @SockPuppet @eriner @viber @dj @FourOh-LLC @D-Droid @doonxib @Hoss
  
  There's a DCC joke here somewhere.
  
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  dobó istván (istvan@noauthority.social)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jun-2024 03:58:01 JST dobó istván
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  @p @amerika @dcc @Forestofenchantment @PurpCat @0 @SockPuppet @eriner @viber @dj @FourOh-LLC @D-Droid @doonxib @Hoss Yeah. I just meant all the browsers nuked support and nuked the support that let plugins do it, so you do need an FTP client, which I’m fine with. But if you r we have to share the link to anyone else who isn’t 35 or older they won’t know what to do with it.
  
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  pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jun-2024 03:58:02 JST pistolero
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  @istvan @dcc @amerika @Forestofenchantment @PurpCat @0 @SockPuppet @eriner @viber @dj @FourOh-LLC @D-Droid @doonxib @Hoss
  
  > And they murdered it.
  
  Pretty sure that busybox has FTP clients and servers.
  
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  0 (https://gh0st.live/users/0)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jun-2024 05:39:38 JST 0
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  @house @amerika @dcc @Forestofenchantment @PurpCat @p @SockPuppet @eriner @istvan @viber @dj @FourOh-LLC @D-Droid @doonxib @Hoss
  
  I love reading OMEMO errors.
  
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  dobó istván (istvan@noauthority.social)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jun-2024 05:43:43 JST dobó istván
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  @p @amerika @dcc @Forestofenchantment @PurpCat @0 @SockPuppet @eriner @viber @dj @FourOh-LLC @D-Droid @doonxib @Hoss I keep meaning to write something to pull my last three posts and serve it over finger…
  
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  pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jun-2024 05:43:43 JST pistolero
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  @istvan @amerika @dcc @Forestofenchantment @PurpCat @0 @SockPuppet @eriner @viber @dj @FourOh-LLC @D-Droid @doonxib @Hoss
  
  > I keep meaning to write something to pull my last three posts and serve it over finger…
  
  $ finger p@fsebugoutzone.org
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  @istvan @amerika @dcc @Forestofenchantment @PurpCat @0 @SockPuppet @eriner @viber @dj @FourOh-LLC @D-Droid @doonxib @Hoss Maybe they've added it to the list of hipster protocols like gopher and everyone under 20 or over 35 loves FTP now.
  
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  (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jun-2024 06:21:58 JST
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  @0 @amerika @dcc @house @Forestofenchantment @PurpCat @p @SockPuppet @eriner @istvan @viber @dj @FourOh-LLC @D-Droid @doonxib @Hoss No one except unmedicated schizophrenics tries to use OMEMO in public chatrooms.
  
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  dobó istván (istvan@noauthority.social)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jun-2024 07:08:29 JST dobó istván
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  @Suzu @amerika @dcc @Forestofenchantment @PurpCat @p @0 @SockPuppet @eriner @viber @dj @FourOh-LLC @doonxib @Hoss I don't think that's limited to normies.
  Generally no one wants people who don't fit in. You just want more people who do fit in.
  No one says, "You know what would make our bridge club better? Furries."
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  @istvan @Suzu @dcc @Forestofenchantment @PurpCat @p @0 @SockPuppet @eriner @viber @dj @FourOh-LLC @doonxib @Hoss
  
  Normies are the biggest audience.
  
  People do not want them, necessarily, but do not want them to either attack or ignore their groups.
  
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  waffle (house@annihilation.social)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Jun-2024 02:56:57 JST waffle
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  @mint @amerika @dcc @Forestofenchantment @PurpCat @p @0 @SockPuppet @eriner @istvan @viber @dj @FourOh-LLC @D-Droid @doonxib @Hoss fuck you im an unmedicated schizophrenic
  
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  Rock on. I hear there is a sale on chainsaws at Home Depot this week.
  
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  0 (https://gh0st.live/users/0)'s status on Thursday, 06-Jun-2024 02:50:09 JST 0
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  @fluffy @amerika @dcc @Forestofenchantment @PurpCat @p @SockPuppet @eriner @istvan @viber @dj @FourOh-LLC @doonxib @Hoss
  
  Please demonstrate even one way in which it's wrong.
  
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  @p @amerika @0 @Forestofenchantment @FourOh-LLC @Hoss @PurpCat @SockPuppet @dcc @dj @doonxib @eriner @istvan @viber
  
  > Soapbox. It's the same backend as Pleroma and Akkoma, but no one deploys it aside from people that Gleason has personally persuaded.
  
  this is an incorrect statement in several ways.
  
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  pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 06-Jun-2024 06:41:00 JST pistolero
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  @fluffy @0 @Forestofenchantment @FourOh-LLC @Hoss @PurpCat @SockPuppet @amerika @dcc @dj @doonxib @eriner @istvan @viber
  
  > this is an incorrect statement in several ways.
  
  Here are facts:
  
  http://demo.fedilist.com/source-code : Wordpress, Pleroma, Misskey, Akkoma, Sharkey, then Soapbox, way down the list, and in most cases (Spinster, Poast, Gleasonator, Nice Crew Dot Wherever, etc., and all the btrf.ly instances), it's Gleason himself, or people that Gleason helped get set up.
  
  It is the same backend. The changes are not substantial; FSE could be said to have a different backend if Soapbox has one. It's not like the difference between Pleroma and Honk or GTS or Mastodon or Peertube.
  
  If I have missed any facts, they are possibly worth knowing. If the disagreement is about how I have characterized the facts, that's probably not going to be useful as we're not going to agree and it's a tangent: it's a footnote to a larger point that YOLDing The Fedi is not desirable nor helpful in accomplishing a goal that is misguided to begin with.
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  pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 08-Jun-2024 08:34:14 JST pistolero
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  @amerika @fluffy @0 @Forestofenchantment @FourOh-LLC @Hoss @PurpCat @SockPuppet @dcc @dj @doonxib @eriner @istvan @viber I still disagree. I'm following all these people, like a ridiculous number of people, and I just see their posts and go "Ha, cool" and I click "Follow". One of three things happens at this point:
  
  :mgsgb_1: I see their posts a lot and they are usually good posts and I am glad to see the posts here, or sometimes I have something to say about something they said and I reply. (It is organic.)
  :mgsgb_2: They block me. (This is organic user interaction.)
  :mgsgb_3: They block the entire instance and yell at me. (Hi ParadeGrotesque.) (This is still organic user interaction.)
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  ≠ (amerika@annihilation.social)'s status on Saturday, 08-Jun-2024 08:34:15 JST ≠
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  @fluffy @dcc @Forestofenchantment @PurpCat @p @0 @SockPuppet @eriner @istvan @viber @dj @FourOh-LLC @doonxib @Hoss
  
  It's interesting how little organic interaction occurs on the Fediverse, even the big sites.
  
  This is the challenge to its users to fix.
  
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  ≠ (amerika@annihilation.social)'s status on Saturday, 08-Jun-2024 15:28:31 JST ≠
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  @fluffy @dcc @Forestofenchantment @PurpCat @p @0 @SockPuppet @eriner @istvan @viber @dj @FourOh-LLC @doonxib @Hoss
  
  We see the problem of individualism here: everyone pimping their own stuff, no real agreement, and therefore, no power.
  
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  pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 08-Jun-2024 15:28:31 JST pistolero
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  @amerika @fluffy @0 @Forestofenchantment @FourOh-LLC @Hoss @PurpCat @SockPuppet @dcc @dj @doonxib @eriner @istvan @viber I don't think "I do not care for this software." is an indictment of individualism. I fail to see a downside in our lack of a Fediverse Hitler; Fediverse Hitler seems undesirable. I am here because there is not Fediverse Hitler.
  
  In conversation about 6 months ago permalink
  
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