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?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 09:06:15 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??
You've revealed too much. I see you. Everyone can.

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  ☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️ (kingofwhiteamerica@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 10:13:22 JST ☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️
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  @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @Humpleupagus @Sui @latein @Deplorable_Degenerate @paragon @Omega_Variant @Owl @bobbala @cowanon @gnarley_boot @BowsacNoodle @mac_ack Thanks man, yeah my life was relatively “painless” by contrast with some people I’ve talked to (though not “literally” painless, I’ve definitely had a couple NDEs here or there and watched loved ones die of brain fungus as kids, etc) and the whole time I’m not really in a position to cast judgment on them for thinking they got a raw deal if Christianity is true.
  I don’t doubt the Faith because of it, but why the heck would they listen to me ? I’m literally just some guy. I get it.
  Anyone trying to tell me it’s “all God’s plan” or whatever comes across as cheap and dismissive.
  I can see what it took to reach *me*, and I’m rather fecking weird so to just assume that’s a universal experience for everyone across the board is pretty baseless.
  
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  ☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️ (kingofwhiteamerica@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 10:13:23 JST ☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️
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  @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @Humpleupagus @Sui @latein @Deplorable_Degenerate @paragon @Omega_Variant @Owl @bobbala @cowanon @gnarley_boot @BowsacNoodle I can’t say I “grok in fullness” exactly what you mean but it’s a perspective that makes reasonable sense.
  My whole life involved a bunch of events and experiences that didn’t make any sense until I learned about the Celestial Hierarchy. That’s just how it is. To me it extends upward and outward far beyond my own subjective experience, but I *can’t* know why others don’t “see” the same thing - so it’s a bunch of answers to questions they never had, but that I had.
  
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  Witch Hunter Siegfired (witch_hunter_siegfired@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 10:13:23 JST Witch Hunter Siegfired
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  @KingOfWhiteAmerica @Humpleupagus @Sui @latein @Deplorable_Degenerate @paragon @Omega_Variant @Owl @bobbala @cowanon @gnarley_boot @BowsacNoodle Makes sense to me, Part of it to be honest is another slightly personal thing, I'm retarded to be honest and it kind of robbed me of a normal childhood, combine that with my allergies and skin conditions, I just don't see what kind of generous god would make something like that, I'm not in the worst condition or anything, it's just not great, it's not the reason I stopped believing but it is A reason it doesn't make sense to.
  CC: @mac_ack been Ciel poasting in this thread, so take Abby as Ciel
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  ☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️ (kingofwhiteamerica@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 10:13:24 JST ☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️
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  @Humpleupagus @Sui @latein @Deplorable_Degenerate @paragon @Omega_Variant @Owl @bobbala @cowanon @gnarley_boot @BowsacNoodle @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired I‘m not sure why but people immediately dismiss emotional reasons at-base as somehow “invalid”.
  I don’t know about you but for myself, if my choice is to feel like absolute dogshit for the rest of my life, vs feeling basically normal, that’s a pretty powerful incentive. I simply would rather not have to deal with the former if I can help it.
  This isn’t to say it’s “equal” to rationality, but it’s obviously a valid factor.
  
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  Witch Hunter Siegfired (witch_hunter_siegfired@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 10:13:24 JST Witch Hunter Siegfired
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  @KingOfWhiteAmerica @Humpleupagus @Sui @latein @Deplorable_Degenerate @paragon @Omega_Variant @Owl @bobbala @cowanon @gnarley_boot @BowsacNoodle For me, I think in part I'm too autistic for religion, IK that sounds weird, I over think things a ton, So combine that with just being a Christian in name only as you may have seen me described and that's essentially what happened, it's not trauma or any shit like that.
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  BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 10:19:30 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
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  @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @KingOfWhiteAmerica @Humpleupagus @Sui @latein @Deplorable_Degenerate @paragon @Omega_Variant @Owl @bobbala @cowanon @gnarley_boot It's easy to be too 'autistic'/cerebral for certain forms of the faith. I did not enjoy the non-denominational charismatic holy roller church that I attended and it drove me away from church. People turning what they're NOT into a personality isn't something I'm fond of.
  
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  Omega Variant (omega_variant@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 11:01:34 JST Omega Variant
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  Holy moly them charismatics are nut jobs.
  
  "God told me x was gonna happen"
  
  >Doesn't happen
  
  "Well we are all human and make mistakes"
  
  No, not like that you don't. Way to make yourself look like a fool though and potentially destroy someone's faith.
  
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  BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 11:05:55 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
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  @Omega_Variant @latein @Sui @Deplorable_Degenerate @Humpleupagus @paragon @Owl @bobbala @cowanon @gnarley_boot @KingOfWhiteAmerica @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired Tell me about it man. I watched a "prophet" tell a man and his gravely-ill wife that she would live and not die from her disease, which killed her weeks later. I cannot stress how badly I am bothered by smoke and mirrors theatrics masquerading as Church.
  
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  BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 11:29:33 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
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  @Owl @latein @Sui @Deplorable_Degenerate @Humpleupagus @paragon @Omega_Variant @bobbala @cowanon @gnarley_boot @KingOfWhiteAmerica @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired People forget that everyone that Jesus healed eventually got sick and eventually died. His miracles were to show who He was rather than the reason for His incarnation. Not to say God doesn't heal people, but it's not the point.
  
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  Owl (owl@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 11:29:34 JST Owl
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  Modern medicine is God's answers to our prayers, that kind of performative crap irks me to no end.
  
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  AlabasterBrick ?‍☠️ (alabasterbrick@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 11:32:02 JST AlabasterBrick ?‍☠️
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  >eventually got sick and died
  Or rather, died of old age
  
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  ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 11:43:21 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??
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  Serious question though....
  
  If evolution is real, why bad thing happen? Why no evolve so no bad thing happen? 🤔
  
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  BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 12:01:22 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
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  @Owl @latein @Sui @Deplorable_Degenerate @Humpleupagus @paragon @Omega_Variant @bobbala @cowanon @gnarley_boot @KingOfWhiteAmerica @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @poastoak This is what it generally comes down to with people. I don't like Pentacostal Christianity, but that doesn't make them damned. There are some very sincere God fearing men in those churches, along with grifters and fools and everything else. Just like any church really.
  
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  Owl (owl@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 12:01:23 JST Owl
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  Total Everybody I Don't Like Damnation.
  
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  Poast Oak (poastoak@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 12:01:25 JST Poast Oak
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  @BowsacNoodle @Omega_Variant @latein @Sui @Deplorable_Degenerate @Humpleupagus @paragon @Owl @bobbala @cowanon @gnarley_boot @KingOfWhiteAmerica @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired Total pentacostal damnation
  
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  Omega Variant (omega_variant@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 12:01:25 JST Omega Variant
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  I mean, no. No more than "total Catholic damnation" is a thing.
  
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  Poast Oak (poastoak@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 12:06:47 JST Poast Oak
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  @Omega_Variant @latein @Sui @Deplorable_Degenerate @Humpleupagus @paragon @Owl @bobbala @cowanon @gnarley_boot @BowsacNoodle @KingOfWhiteAmerica @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired Are there saved pentacostals? Sure. Is general pentacostal doctrine in accordance with the word? No. Bunch of jiggas gonna get there on accident because God wins but most of them will go to hell.
  
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  BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 12:06:47 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
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  @poastoak @Omega_Variant @latein @Sui @Deplorable_Degenerate @Humpleupagus @paragon @Owl @bobbala @cowanon @gnarley_boot @KingOfWhiteAmerica @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired IDK man. That's not really our call to make. Some of them do some odd things, but plenty of people hide their secret sins and condemn the public sins of others. Purgatory may or may not be real, but it makes sense that quite a lot of us will need a looooooong 'soul shower' before we're ready to stand before God.
  
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  BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 20:28:03 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
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  @bobbala @latein @Sui @Deplorable_Degenerate @Humpleupagus @paragon @Omega_Variant @Owl @cowanon @gnarley_boot @KingOfWhiteAmerica @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @poastoak >Show me a Catholic that depends on Grace.
  Hello. It's me. I'm Catholic (Eastern, not Roman).
  
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  Bob (bobbala@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 20:28:04 JST Bob
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  Show me a catholic that depends on Grace.
  
  I'd sincerely love to know they're out there.
  
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  BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 20:33:03 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
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  @KingOfWhiteAmerica @bobbala @latein @Sui @Deplorable_Degenerate @Humpleupagus @paragon @Omega_Variant @Owl @cowanon @gnarley_boot @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @poastoak The weirdest thing to me is the attempts to make the schism into pure theology while ignoring the politics and history that led to it. People passionately defending Filioque as if that's really what caused a rift. Foolish.
  
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  ☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️ (kingofwhiteamerica@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 20:33:04 JST ☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️
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  @bobbala @latein @Sui @Deplorable_Degenerate @Humpleupagus @paragon @Omega_Variant @Owl @cowanon @gnarley_boot @BowsacNoodle @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @poastoak Hey thanks, I’m pretty stoked about it myself !
  Yeah the RCC went off the rails a millennium or so ago. Honestly they did ”pretty okay” coasting by for a couple centuries but it’s now mangled basically beyond recognition.
  
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  ☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️ (kingofwhiteamerica@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 20:33:05 JST ☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️
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  @bobbala @Omega_Variant @latein @Sui @Deplorable_Degenerate @Humpleupagus @paragon @Owl @cowanon @gnarley_boot @BowsacNoodle @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @poastoak Well I’m Orthodox, is that close enough ?
  
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  Bob (bobbala@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 20:33:05 JST Bob
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  No. Glad to hear you've been redeemed though.
  
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  BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 21:32:00 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
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  @poastoak @Omega_Variant @latein @Sui @Deplorable_Degenerate @Humpleupagus @paragon @Owl @bobbala @cowanon @gnarley_boot @KingOfWhiteAmerica @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired i never ran into that, thankfully, but they did lean towards Arianism in their portrayal of Christ.
  
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  Poast Oak (poastoak@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 21:32:01 JST Poast Oak
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  @BowsacNoodle @Omega_Variant @latein @Sui @Deplorable_Degenerate @Humpleupagus @paragon @Owl @bobbala @cowanon @gnarley_boot @KingOfWhiteAmerica @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired The oddities of pentacostal practice is one thing, most of that is nonessential. But the bulk of pentacostals deny the trinity and there's no getting away with that one.
  
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  Omega Variant (omega_variant@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 22:00:22 JST Omega Variant
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  No Pentecostal I have ever talked to denies trinity.
  
  Now I have seen some profess modalism and oneness. Haven't looked into oneness but modalism isn't really much different. Really the biggest difference I can see is instead one One God three persons it's one God three modes that he switches between.
  
  Same basic concept.
  
  However whether you believe in the trinitarian doctrine or not does not affect salvation. Jesus didn't say believe in the trinitarian doctrine or go hell. He said believe in me and if you believe in me you believe in him who sent me which would be the father.
  
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  BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 22:08:20 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
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  @Omega_Variant @latein @Sui @Deplorable_Degenerate @Humpleupagus @paragon @Owl @bobbala @cowanon @gnarley_boot @KingOfWhiteAmerica @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @poastoak Yes this is my experience too. Oneness Pentacostalism is "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct but the same in essence, not different persons" which is very similar to Modalism which simply swaps the "distinct" line for "three forms". O.P. calls Modalism heresy, I guess because of the "distinct" line.
  
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  BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 22:22:18 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
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  @Omega_Variant @latein @Sui @Deplorable_Degenerate @Humpleupagus @paragon @Owl @bobbala @cowanon @gnarley_boot @KingOfWhiteAmerica @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @poastoak Modalism doesn't work because Christ said The Holy Spirit was "another" in John 14:16. Maybe that's too in the weeds.
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  Omega Variant (omega_variant@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 22:22:19 JST Omega Variant
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  I can see modalism being accurate.
  
  He is omnipresent and omnipotent, not bound by time so switching modes isn't a huge issue. No more than being 3 in 1.
  
  Like you said it's well beyond our comprehension how it truly works. "The Lord is One" "I and my Father are one" doesn't really explain it all
  
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  Deplorable Degenerate (deplorable_degenerate@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 22:22:20 JST Deplorable Degenerate
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  It really isn't the same concept.
  
  I do agree with there probably being some leeway though. I think the trinity is deliberately beyond our ability to grasp as a way of humbling us for thinking we can have answers to everything.
  
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  Bob (bobbala@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 22:23:10 JST Bob
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  Didn't you claim to be dependent on Grace?
  
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  ☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️ (kingofwhiteamerica@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 22:23:10 JST ☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️
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  @bobbala @latein @Sui @Deplorable_Degenerate @Humpleupagus @paragon @Omega_Variant @Owl @cowanon @gnarley_boot @BowsacNoodle @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @poastoak Of course I am and do so affirm. I sense however you must have something different in mind than what I understand that to mean. Salvation is being in the Body of Christ - ontologically united to Him; partakers in the Divine Nature.
  I don’t know the eternal destiny of any man - as that’d be God’s prerogative and not my own.
  But as Noah and his family survived the Flood by being in the Ark - so too the Family of God is saved by being in the Body of Christ.
  
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  ☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️ (kingofwhiteamerica@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 22:23:11 JST ☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️
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  @Deplorable_Degenerate @Omega_Variant @latein @Sui @Humpleupagus @paragon @Owl @bobbala @cowanon @gnarley_boot @BowsacNoodle @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @poastoak Yeah I for one can’t affirm denying the Holy Trinity doesn’t affect Salvation. It’s not possible to square that up with Holy Orthodoxy. I have no authority over the minds of folks I meet on the internet, but that affirmation would sunder me from the Communion of Faith.
  Nothing personal, by any stretch. I get along fine with many non-Trinitarians.
  
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  Bob (bobbala@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 22:23:57 JST Bob
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  Salvation is God's work. What is left for Him to do?
  
  Christ died. He was buried. He rose. I believe.
  
  [1Co 15:1-4 KJV] 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
  2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
  3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
  4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
  
  Noah was shut into the ark by God.
  It wasn't up to him. He trusted God.
  
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  ☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️ (kingofwhiteamerica@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 22:23:57 JST ☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️
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  @bobbala @latein @Sui @Deplorable_Degenerate @Humpleupagus @paragon @Omega_Variant @Owl @cowanon @gnarley_boot @BowsacNoodle @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @poastoak Yeah I’ve got no objection to any of that - perfectly Orthodox as far as I can tell.
  
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  BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 22:28:06 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
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  @bobbala @latein @Sui @Deplorable_Degenerate @Humpleupagus @paragon @Omega_Variant @Owl @cowanon @gnarley_boot @KingOfWhiteAmerica @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @poastoak >Salvation is God's work. What is left for Him to do?
  Nothing. We have an obligation to try rather than being lazy. Our salvation isn't dependent on what we do, but Christ said to "pickup your cross and follow me" and people sometimes forget that. Also everyone gets super skittish because the second anyone mentions that it's important for a Christian to DO ANYTHING AT ALL, strawman accusations fly out of the woodwork. Maybe it's just the scene we're in where any suggestions to "do something" get met with badjacketing and fed accusations.
  
  >Christ died. He was buried. He rose. I believe.
  Amen.
  
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  BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 22:29:41 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
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  @bobbala @latein @Sui @Deplorable_Degenerate @Humpleupagus @paragon @Omega_Variant @Owl @cowanon @gnarley_boot @KingOfWhiteAmerica @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @poastoak There's a few. The thief on the cross is with Christ. Peter as well. Judas is likely in hell.
  
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  Bob (bobbala@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 22:29:42 JST Bob
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  So you do know the eternal destiny of one man then.
  
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  BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 22:57:21 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
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  @bobbala @latein @Sui @Deplorable_Degenerate @Humpleupagus @paragon @Omega_Variant @Owl @cowanon @gnarley_boot @KingOfWhiteAmerica @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @poastoak I started typing a wordcel response, but it hit me mid writing that there's enough differences in terminology that make this a longer discussion than it needs to be. I do agree, but remember the many times Christ mentions the narrow path and related analogies. It is simple, but it is not easy.
  
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  Bob (bobbala@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 22:57:22 JST Bob
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  I was speaking of any man that believes the Gospel.
  
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  Bob (bobbala@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 23:02:40 JST Bob
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  God told Adam not to eat the fruit from 1 tree ... was that easy?
  
  Noah, Abraham, Lot ... they all had 1 thing in common. They trusted God. Can you?
  
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  @bobbala @latein @Sui @Deplorable_Degenerate @Humpleupagus @paragon @Omega_Variant @Owl @cowanon @gnarley_boot @KingOfWhiteAmerica @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @poastoak IT'S LIKE YOU DIDN'T EVEN READ MY POST
  
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  Bob (bobbala@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 23:04:06 JST Bob
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  Your salvation is finished work. It's not your finish line. It's the starting gun of your race. Everything you did prior was filthy rags. Afterwards you have the opportunity, but not the obligation, to do good.
  
  [1Co 3:10-15 KJV] 10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
  11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
  12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
  13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
  14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
  15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
  
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  BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 23:04:06 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
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  @bobbala @latein @Sui @Deplorable_Degenerate @Humpleupagus @paragon @Omega_Variant @Owl @cowanon @gnarley_boot @KingOfWhiteAmerica @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @poastoak I can't understand how you missed the point of this post.
  
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  Bob (bobbala@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 23:10:12 JST Bob
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  "...I do agree, BUT remember the many times Christ mentions the narrow path and related analogies. It is simple, but it is not easy."
  --- HyperB
  
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  BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 23:10:12 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
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  @bobbala @latein @Sui @Deplorable_Degenerate @Humpleupagus @paragon @Omega_Variant @Owl @cowanon @gnarley_boot @KingOfWhiteAmerica @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @poastoak Matthew 25 31-end
  Matthew 10:38 / Luke 14:27
  James 2:19
  etc. etc.
  
  None of this is earning salvation. I could write paragraphs of pretext and one sentence mentioning "we shouldn't squander what God gives us" and people will come out like flies on 💩 to tell me I'm a legalist. It's not scriptural and it's foolish.
  
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  BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 23:12:29 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
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  @bobbala @latein @Sui @Deplorable_Degenerate @Humpleupagus @paragon @Omega_Variant @Owl @cowanon @gnarley_boot @KingOfWhiteAmerica @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @poastoak This is literally what I'm saying. I'm not joking when I say some of you are too trigger happy to decry legalism etc.
  
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  Bob (bobbala@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 23:12:30 JST Bob
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  My Grace was purchased with Lamb's Blood. It was a Gift. I contributed nothing. I took His Gift. There are no strings or conditions attached.
  
  But that Gift is meant to be used! Run your race. Without faith it is impossible to please God. We have faith.
  
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  ☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️ (kingofwhiteamerica@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 23:18:54 JST ☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️
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  @bobbala @BowsacNoodle @latein @Sui @Deplorable_Degenerate @Humpleupagus @paragon @Omega_Variant @Owl @cowanon @gnarley_boot @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @poastoak I agree with most of this, except I have misgivings on this point;
  
  > Afterwards you have the opportunity, *but not the obligation*, to do good.
  
  I’d not personally be comfortable saying that; because it’s Our Lord’s determination, and not our own, whether we’re obligated to do something. I think the Parable of the Talents points at this, for example.
  So, if I was really trying to stress the point, I could conceivably say it like;
  
  “Afterwards you have the opportunity to do good,” without drawing attention to obligation.
  
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  Bob (bobbala@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 23:18:54 JST Bob
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  He already made that determination. Believe the Gospel.
  
  By all means, gold, silver ... earn rewards. You are saved to do good works and not by your good works. You are saved by His Grace.
  
  [Mat 11:28-30 KJV] 28 Come unto me, all [ye] that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
  29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
  30 For my yoke [is] easy, and my burden is light.
  
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  ☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️ (kingofwhiteamerica@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jun-2024 23:18:54 JST ☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️
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  @bobbala @latein @Sui @Deplorable_Degenerate @Humpleupagus @paragon @Omega_Variant @Owl @cowanon @gnarley_boot @BowsacNoodle @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @poastoak Here’s what I’m saying; directing attention to considerations of obligation necessarily implies the scenario where the Almighty God has done this unutterably marvelous and perfect work.
  He invites one into His Body and gives one the gift of Eternal Life.
  And then this one looks upon this astonishing gift and says, “do I *have* to?”
  Because what other reason would one have for bringing up obligation in the first place ?
  
  I’m not trying to tell you what to believe or anything of the sort. I’m articulating my level-best understanding of the Tradition I’ve received - the Communion of Faith I’ve been invited into. We really try not to add anything “superfluous” because it can only ever detract from the Heavenly Perfection.
  And I cannot honestly deny I greatly appreciate the opportunity to so articulate ☦️
  
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  ☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️ (kingofwhiteamerica@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 02-Jun-2024 00:02:25 JST ☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️
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  @BowsacNoodle @bobbala @latein @Sui @Deplorable_Degenerate @Humpleupagus @paragon @Omega_Variant @Owl @cowanon @gnarley_boot @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @poastoak It’s awesome we’ve got so much agreement regarding the respective relationships between Salvation, Faith and Deeds, in respect to Divine Grace. I too enjoy basking in the glow of it.
  And I don’t dispute it’s a foretaste - a sort of sample so to speak - of true Spiritual Unity.
  Most people these days don’t really think about it (some do), but there was once a time, for over a thousand years, where Christendom was the undisputed ruling imperium over the whole world - the “global hegemon” so to speak.
  I think about that *a lot*.
  
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  BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 02-Jun-2024 00:02:25 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
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  @KingOfWhiteAmerica @bobbala @latein @Sui @Deplorable_Degenerate @Humpleupagus @paragon @Omega_Variant @Owl @cowanon @gnarley_boot @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @poastoak For sure. My other post I said
  >there's enough differences in terminology that make this a longer discussion than it needs to be
  and I do believe in that. For example, a few of my Baptist* (actually and non-denominational with very similar beliefs) friends and I talk about some of this stuff, and we have a gigantic overlap in beliefs with totally different terminology for them. Mere Christianity does get to the heart of much of it, and we eventually find areas of disagreement with few major concerns. I don't think they're not Christian for their disbelief in The Real Presence in communion, for example, but I do think it's something they should look more seriously into.
  
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