@p@Looming >It has not been done automatically for anyone (for obvious reasons) That would've been fun. I remember poasties getting spooked by people moving from noagenda to noauthority and migrating their follow lists, thinking it's DA FEDS. Imagine that but on a bigger scale.
@Looming I can replay the follows from the January 11 backup if you want. It has not been done automatically for anyone (for obvious reasons), but it is an option if you want that option.
@childrapist1488@lina@Looming@p I would've replied wit a suitable jak but I'm too lazy to switch to a different browser to complete the McChallenge humiliation ritual.
@mint@lina@Looming@p /biz/bros are on /bant/ now but yeah, that was gay, also the waiting 5 minutes to make a thread, or another 10 to make a new one is pretty humiliating. I'd say sharty is now on par with 4cuck
I'm hoping that my Quest contributions are ultimately for the better, but I won't sit here and pretend, either: I brazenly shill my zine with them. Here are the threads:
About 4chan; I would have thought Old Meme made that clear. I left before Boxxy and after Chocolate Rain, it was already intolerable for me by then. (Bring back Snacks.)
Apparently /b/ isn't anonymous anymore or something like that. And I wrote off the captcha stuff because I thought it was just my setup: I don't touch most of the web without Tor being involved and my browser has "maybe run JavaScript sometimes" enabled (Seamonkey is patched and has uBO and most of the places in about:config where you can forbid JS from doing something, it's forbidden). Apparently the captchas stop everyone except feds and people that give not-moot $20.
> I'm hoping that my Quest contributions are ultimately for the better,
Doing a thing usually results in things being better.
I think fedi's a better place. I forget what it was called ("boardfe"?) but someone had done a *chan-like frontend for fedi. I believe it was usable enough to simulate a chan. Or you could possibly roll out your own fchan instance.
Not to say 4chan is niche, 4chan is the largest imageboard by far, but its userbase is far, far smaller than reddit or twitter.
I think it will forever fall into obscurity, no new imageboards are made, if they are they die quickly. even kohlchan, and soyjak party, probably the second and third largest image boards respectively still has a stagnant userbase/barely growing.
Fediverse also is not growing much. it had an influx to mastodon after elon ruined xitter, but not much.
@Cookieman@lina@Looming@p@NEETzsche@mint Gooning originally was a fetish where guys 'embraced' their porn addiction, and say all sorts of gay shit. Gooning is the act of 'edging' (delaying cumming) for hours at a time, and sometimes never cumming, or only coming after hours of delay. the more extreme the fetish got the more extreme the setup becomes bigger, with a bunch of screens playing at once.
It began in around 2020~ and is often combined with other awful fetishes like furry or blacked shit.
mid-2023 it became a meme, and now is just an alternative meaning for porn addiction, or jerking off. I dont know if its worse that its main stream, or better because its being made fun of.
you'll find many unironic gooners on the 4chan /trash/ board, or more famously on r/gooncaves on reddit.
@p@Cookieman@childrapist1488@lina@Looming@NEETzsche Pretty much every chan has some sort of CP problem that could only be mitigated if you have a team of people monitoring it 24/7. With federation, the issue is multiplied by the amount of nodes; there's a reason why there's only one fchan instance left that only federates with itself.
I'm talking about good ones. Anything that is good ends up here, even if it didn't come from here.
> wojak, pepe and soyjak are all 4cuck memes.
Pepe was old meme since forever, it might be older than :pedobear::cockmongler::happynegro::sandwichchef::shoop:. Definitely older than :tayzonday: and that meme is old enough to vote. The other two aren't really fresh; they occasionally funny but are so over-used that I can't even see them any more. /pol/ ate 4chan and now everything is a soyjak.
> memes are usually made on twitter now, at least the ones zoomers like. not to say anything of there quality of course.
If we're going to talk about "popular memes", then we'd be talking about all the cursed boomer shit from Facebook and the shit teenage girls post on Instagram with no picture, just some fuchsia words in a pseudo-cursive typeface, "when a boy knows your favorite Starbucks order". moontarp.jpg
so are Mogging, gooning, mewing, and general incel lingo that are popular right now where on 4chad for a while, but the rate at which memes come from 4chan is a lot lower now.
memes are usually made on twitter now, at least the ones zoomers like. not to say anything of there quality of course.
@childrapist1488@Looming@NEETzsche@dcc@lina@mint Yeah, I saw you say it; my point was that I said "the memes", not "the memes normies like" or anything like that. I thought I'd be more specific, but then reasoned that if I live my life like I'm worried someone's gonna Reddit me, then I'll never be able to have a conversation. Then you Reddited me.
@p@dcc@lina@Looming@NEETzsche@mint Sure, I just said popular though. But yeah, 4chan has a very low OC rate nowadays. most talent left a long time ago and now its just newfag larpers getting baited 24/7
Honestly it doesn't need to emulate a chan. If you want to see how Quests operate, you can go onto /qst/. Quests don't have usernames, but it's one of those boards where users have IDs, so you can distinguish one from the other. For this reason, just outright having usernames probably won't be a big deal. I'm not super invested in "anonymity" in this sense, pseudonymity will do just fine.
I may or may not start another purpose-built instance for this, or just make an account on this one and repeat the posts I make on it with this one. I'll sleep on that for maybe a day or two.
Honestly Elon made Xitter more fun, mostly because I can shitpost on it with relative impunity now. I can't niggerpost but that's gotten boring anyway.
There's a delicate balance to be found between niche things and broad things. On the one hand, niche things attract the most interesting content, but on the other hand, there's less reach. Reach does matter. You want to find something that's niche enough that it doesn't involve a bajillion normies, but open enough that there's more than one (1) person (you) interested in it lol
> Federation won't save imageboards, i think they're bound to be 'niche' forever.
He's running quests, he doesn't need for image boards to be saved, just some software to enable this activity.
What's wrong with them being niche? Niche stuff tends to be more interesting: either it's focused on something interesting, or it's at weird shit that you haven't seen before. Focus broadens when more people show up.
> Fediverse also is not growing much.
People say this when they are bored with the people they usually interact with, not when they actually see growth taper. There have been maybe 40 new instances a day for the last month, look at the chart: http://demo.fedilist.com/ . The low point is 31. Look at @fedilist.
The thing is, 4chinz might be the father of our interwebs culture but it's obviously outmoded by its babby, the fediverse. Pseudonymity is a lot better than anonymity when you take on board centralization vs federation. You get the best of all worlds. You get free speech (you can say what you want) and free association (you can block/defederate annoying people/instances)
There's a really weird contingent of 4chan users now that likes to think everything that isn't a wokester faggot is "/pol/". For example, I sometimes go into the World of Darkness general to post shit like pic related and there's often someone there will accuse me of "being /pol/" because I think making the Vampire: the Masquerade, Fifth Edition de facto main character a gay nigger Muslim feminist and explicitly requiring your playerbase be exclusively full of trantifa is worthy of long-term ridicule.
I'm not going to lie, the interest-based channels on Discord/Xitter/whatever other centralized-slop services are usually a lot better than this side of fedi. There are plenty of people who get expelled from these services regularly and there's a culture of ban-dodging that has emerged.
I feel like the fedi/xmpp/matrix vs Xitter/Discord debate is just a reiterate of the Windows vs Linux debate all over again. Appeals to the technical advantages of fedi/linux just aren't going to measure up to the network effect in the mind of anybody without a bachelors in computer science. There will be some exceptions, but not many.
@NEETzsche@dcc@lina@Looming@p@mint I'm a giganufag, its not that i hate newCHADS (otherwise the site would only contain 40 year olds) but newfags are super easily baited by the most obvious, low tier bait.
nothing can save 4cuck at this point, the userbase is too big and retarded.
I saw this happen in real time to soyjak.party, now its 24/7 bait posted by discordCHADS and trannies and unironic 14 year nazi larpers fall for it constantly, i can only imagine how 4chad oldfags feel.
the major boards like /v/ or /g/ are literally unusable, threads are literally either bait or softcore porn, no inbetween.
@NEETzsche@dcc@childrapist1488@lina@Looming@mint Yeah, I believe that; people hunting invisible /pol/lacks. I wonder how much of that is feds or people that want to push the opposite politics versus people that had an allergic reaction to the intrusion of politics and now view complaints about the intrusion of politics as equivalent to the intrusion of politics. antifa_takes_out_4chan.png failed_to_infiltrate_4chan.png
@p@dcc@childrapist1488@lina@Looming@NEETzsche@mint Maybe if they weren't making everything political and most other avenues online didn't ban opposing viewpoints from the typical modern zeitgeist, 4chan wouldn't be full of politics on non-political boards. That being said, modern 4chan sucks. No OC, no fun, no creativity, it's just fistshaking at people that disagree with you. As dogshit as Twitter memes are, it's unironically better at making OC at the moment.
> Appeals to the technical advantages of fedi/linux just aren't going to measure up to the network effect in the mind of anybody without a bachelors in computer science.
If that were the case, then I would get to have far more technical conversations than I have now. Just go look at Poast if you want to see.
Even if it were true, it would be fine with me: I'm trying to use something I like rather than use something that other people like. Technological evangelism is not something I've ever been interested in. In my case, it's much simpler: if I don't want to talk to vegetarians, I can hang out at a steakhouse.
I understand your problem, and that you'd like to get your tabletop friends off of the shitty services and onto here, but of course they aren't interested in the place based on the technical merits: either it gives them something they want or it doesn't. You can add the thing they want, it's open, but it's not a matter of how to sell it.
As far as Linux adoption goes, I don't think we are starting with the same fundamental suppositions. I want a C compiler: do I care if normies want a C compiler when I decide what OS to use?
When nobody really "got" Linux, that was fine with me: I didn't need them to understand Linux to be able to use Linux. So people would ask why I bothered with Linux and I could speak broadly or specifically about the capabilities, and then they'd either understand or not, and if they understood, either they'd be interested or it became obvious that we wanted different things from an operating system. It only really bothered me if they were persistent about trying to get me to abandon my heresy, and they either didn't understand or didn't think I should want to do the things I wanted to do. (Same thing nowadays with Plan 9: not many people understand it and most people don't care about it and that is fine with me, I can still use it. I'm happy to talk about it but I don't want to convert anyone that's not interested and it's annoying when people can't recognize that and move on.)
So, fedi, we're all here. I'd rather focus on doing things that are good for the people that are here (which obviously includes me) than to get more people here. I saw what "get more normies here" did to Linux. No, thank you: no good software resulted from that, and it never made normies start using Linux. There was a lot of "You picked this software because of your values and your taste and you must now discard both of those in order to get people that don't share your values to use the software" and fuck that completely. Some people that didn't like Linux hopped on because they were interested in the Raspberry Pi. What actually got them to use Linux was the Android phone: that is what you get if you successfully make a Linux that normies will use, and it's something I won't touch. thefutureis2dollars.png
>If that were the case, then I would get to have far more technical conversations than I have now. Just go look at Poast if you want to see.
It is the case. You can maybe make an argument for fedi being a place for people with a CS background OR you want to niggerpost to the exclusion of basically everything else, but that doesn't address the core issue: limited scope of interests. What you're making is half a point if it's true and it's probably not even true.
>Even if it were true, it would be fine with me
It would be fine with you that this side of fedi is only for people with a very short list of interests (it is)? Seriously?
>I understand your problem, and that you'd like to get your tabletop friends off of the shitty services and onto here, but of course they aren't interested in the place based on the technical merits
That's not the problem. Here's the problem: only a certain handful of interests are actually discussed on this side of fedi with any significant volume. And yes, that is an actual problem, one that won't go away by your mere dismissal of it.
>So, fedi, we're all here. I'd rather focus on doing things that are good for the people that are here (which obviously includes me) than to get more people here. I saw what "get more normies here" did to Linux. No, thank you: no good software resulted from that, and it never made normies start using Linux.
Fedi is stagnant. I haven't seen new features for fedi released in years, and efforts to create them are met with technically dubious non-arguments. See the scrobbling PRs. For you to have a point here we'd need to see some actual improvements made for the people here.
In conclusion, fedi is stagnant because it can only attract users with a certain handful of interests, this is a real issue, and dismissing it isn't addressing it.
@p@Cookieman@childrapist1488@lina@Looming@fedilist@NEETzsche@mint The fact remains that there’s a small subset of interests on fedi as a whole. On the leftist side of fedi; there’s two topics, one with a subtopic. it’s malding about republicans and tranny shit (and the subset being disgusting sexual fetish shit) and then on this side of fedi, you have three things outright: anime titties, niggerposting, and tech spergs. It’s incredibly narrow and it’s basically impossible to talk about anything outside of those topics. Sure, you’ll get current thing posting occasionally, but the threads always end up falling into those topics too.
You can talk about other things, but if you do, the thread will either get ignored or the topic will get redirected to niggerposting, tech spergery, or anime tits. But yOu sHoUlDn'T pOsT fOr EnGaGeMeNt
Thing is, "politics" is a can of worms you can't just un-open on a whim. It's completely unreasonable to have certain people push politics for over a decade, systematically ban the inverse of those politics, and then go "okay let's stop talking about politics now." That's not how this works. It's not how people work. The only way to depoliticize a place after such behavior, in any meaningful sense, is to systematically remove the people who did the systematic removal initially. And then when they're done doing that, then you can go "okay let's stop talking about politics now." It needs to happen in that order.
@NEETzsche@dcc@childrapist1488@lina@Looming@mint Well, you quoted one part but that person would have been in one of the first two categories, "people that want to push the opposite politics".
> Maybe if they weren't making everything political and most other avenues online didn't ban opposing viewpoints
Never let your opponent pick the battlefield. If the problem is they're injecting their politics into apolitical stuff, and the response is to inject the opposite politics, then the problem still exists.
Actually I might just run Quests on fedi in part because they're so accessible to people who aren't actually into the hobby. It's like a CYOA with the option to do a write-in. You get some prose, some media (images, occasionally music, etc), you get like four options to choose from how the person acts next, and then if something is obviously left out people can reply with it and updoot that. Happens only occasionally.
> You can maybe make an argument for fedi being a place for people with a CS background OR
Or if you hate Elon because he is inventing fascism, or if you are George Takei, or for a long time, if you were a prostitute ( http://demo.fedilist.com/instance/switter.at ), or 2huposting, or if you want to run a psyop ( http://demo.fedilist.com/instance/nafo.uk ) or whoever. I would *love* it if everything on here was about computers. Most of it isn't, most of the people here aren't programmers. I didn't come here because I'm a programmer, I came here because it was fun.
> What you're making is half a point if it's true and it's probably not even true.
You remain unconvinced, sure. I don't know what to do about that and am not sure I should do anything about it: the world in which you agree with me on this point looks basically exactly like the world we currently inhabit.
> It would be fine with you that this side of fedi is only for people with a very short list of interests (it is)? Seriously?
:cryingl: Would you seriously be okay with a large number of people that are interested in the same things you like? How could you?
:craysmile:
> And yes, that is an actual problem, one that won't go away by your mere dismissal of it.
Well, like I said, I get that the place is in some ways not fit for purpose from your perspective or your friends' perspective. I don't know what you want me to do about that. That's not a dismissal, but like I said, I don't have the same problems you have. I'd rather improve the place than worry too much about changing the place with the hope that it will make people that hate the place suddenly love it. (It won't.) If the improvements make more people arrive, great. If not, the goal was to improve the place, and that's sufficient for me.
> For you to have a point here we'd need to see some actual improvements made for the people here.
Then stop arguing with me about it so I can continue to write the software.
Here's the thing, I don't think there is anything to do about it, exactly. I attribute the root cause to the network effect. It isn't that fedi is unfit for the use cases I suggest from a technical level, it's that people are already on these other platforms and, to them, the culture of ban-dodging is preferable to a culture of abandoning these services.
I'm not trying to convince you to solve the problem, I'm trying to convince you that it actually is one, that it's not in my head, that it's not just one limited to my personal hobbies.
Like I said above, I'm not sure what the solution is, or if there is one. I have this theory that the network effect is a big part of it, but important people within a certain sphere draw the users, so if you convince the VIPs to jump ship then the people will follow. Evidence for this theory: Trump and Truth Social, which has more activity on it than one might realize.
@p I might want this thing; I never kept track of who I followed or who followed me.
Is this something that breaks notifications/ sends a billion notifications or something or is it relatively harmless now? :itscalledwedoalittletrolling:
@scenesbycolleen Ha, it's pretty harmless. The net result is one notification per person that you were following, provided that they didn't move during the downtime. People re-following you will result in you getting a notification also, but the counter is at 9698876 so the 10,000,000th notification would be cool anyway.
> to them, the culture of ban-dodging is preferable to a culture of abandoning these services.
Yeah, I like that it's impossible to actually kill this, it can't turn into something else by fiat, etc. I'll jump to something like that.
> I'm not trying to convince you to solve the problem, I'm trying to convince you that it actually is one, that it's not in my head, that it's not just one limited to my personal hobbies.
I believe I acknowledged that weeks ago, but painting a more narrow image of fedi than exists is not any more useful. It's not just people that do computer science; I'd be *elated* if that was fedi.
> I have this theory that the network effect is a big part of it,
We're on the left side of the adoption curve, sure. There's also a resistance to tacking on yet another username and password to log into yet another account on yet another service. I hate doing it.
> Evidence for this theory:
Most of the people on Poast during its first year already knew who graf was, and they're just short of 2^17 accounts now. adoption_curve.png
> You get some prose, some media (images, occasionally music, etc), you get like four options to choose from how the person acts next,
Oh, holy shit! Like MSPA before the guy chickened out and started just doing a webcomic, then went all the way off the rails by doing that other thing where it was a flash animation called "Homestuck" and then he chickened out of *that* and started just doing a webcomic and then went off the rails again and made it about kids screwing each other.
Right. I think I forgot to mention that Quests often have a TTRPG element, like the QM (Quest Master) rolls dice to determine outcomes, that sort of thing. So that makes Quests like TTRPGs meets CYOA.
There is one thing I do want to stipulate, though, and that's that I would want to write a more-native dice rolling and interpretation mechanism. I've discussed this with @sun before, but the short version is that there'd be something like a RandomNumberOutcome object that would federate, and would include the following information, in no particular order:
type -- card draw, dice roll, etc
interpretation_system -- how to interpret it, ex., could be a PokerHand or ChroniclesOfDarknessRoll or whatever else
results -- an array of results; if it's something like a card draw, the cards drawn, if it's a dice roll, the dice rolled
denomination -- the denomination of the thing being rolled; if you're rolling six sided dice, might be a string like "d6"
quantity -- how many of them you're doing; example, if you're rolling four six-sided dice, this field might be the number 4; also worth noting that the number here might be different than the size of results, because some dice systems have what are called "exploding" dice that let you re-roll them under certain circumstances, so in CofD you roll d10s, but if one lands on 10 you reroll it, so you could start with rolling 4 at d10 and get results like [1,9,10,3] and then need to reroll one and you end up with something like [1,9,10,3,7]. The quantity in this case is 4 but the size of results is higher
interpretation_info -- JSON object that contains other interpretation info, like for the exploding dice example, might include something like explosion_minimum which defaults to 10 if unstated, but under special circumstances you could have 9-Again or 8-Again, where it explodes on 9,10 or 8,9,10, respectively; could also have information in it like successes so the system just has how many times it succeeded baked into the metadata
Of course, some English-language blob of text would be put into the content field so people not on my fork won't have to interpret it. However, it would recommend against relying on this since the formatting might not stay consistent and if you want it in Russian or Japanese or whatever you're out of luck relying on content.
This shouldn't be interpreted as a strict spec, but a speculative one. And I'm not sure it would be worth the time to author it.
I actually don't think the big hurdle would be the business logic of individual systems. I think the big hurdle would be forking Pleroma, comprehending the codebase enough to modify it to include this new thing in it, and then structing that part of the code to coherently allow for freeform interpretation_system, well, interpretation. You'd basically have to write a little framework into it outright, much like MRFs.
> Right. I think I forgot to mention that Quests often have a TTRPG element, like the QM (Quest Master) rolls dice to determine outcomes, that sort of thing. So that makes Quests like TTRPGs meets CYOA.
Ah, okay, right. Yeah, I found out about MSPA long after it had migrated off 4chan and I never joined their whatsis thing to vote on what happened next (or I would have probably complained instead of groaning inwardly when the voting became obsolete). I think it was a bar on the side of the page for a while but it went somewhere, like there was a forum or an IRC server or something.
> how many of them you're doing; example, if you're rolling four six-sided dice,
Yeah, this could get tricky. Like, not necessarily the business logic, but expressing the desired thing. Drawing three cards from a stack of 52 is different from drawing a card from a deck of 52 three times.
> I'm not sure it would be worth the time to author it.
I think if you start simple, maybe. Like, just write enough for the current quest, tack things on as needed, then do a cleanup before the next quest.
You mean, editing the structure of the post, including its JSON results, just... outright? Wouldn't you need to at least edit the shit on the way it builds statuses? Like, editing the Activity object on its own, maybe, but...
I was more thinking about the /api/v1/timelines/ family of endpoints where it needs to build the statuses to the client. I think they rely on /lib/pleroma/web/mastodon_api/views/status_view.ex, which AFAIK you can't really modify via MRF. If there's a way to do that I'd be impressed.
@NEETzsche@dcc@childrapist1488@lina@Looming@mint@sun I mean you could put that stuff directly in. It's just JSON. So a post arrives, it triggers the stuff the MRF is looking for (easy mode: use the subject line like @slashb), you accept the post and then create a new post in response (like a blockbot does). You can cram all kinds of metadata wherever; Pleroma puts the Pleroma-specific parts under a "pleroma" key, but you could put it anywhere. (But you should put it somewhere like that to avoid conflicts.)
Yes. The main part that you're missing is that the JSON the client sees is generated in /lib/pleroma/web/mastodon_api/views/status_view.ex. The other thing you're missing is that you shouldn't need to put parseable instructions in the subject field, and the endpoint should be able to natively ingest the instructions, but that's secondary.
> Make poll > Option (A): I roll some dice of some sort. If the dice get rolled, something terrible happens. > [(A) wins] > [Subject line: roll some dice of some sort] > [MRF notices] > Robot: This is the result in regular words, other data in the activity is machine-readable > Local frontend modifications, which look at the metadata: [Something, the thing you want to happen on the frontend]
I'm actually looking at setting up something like a dev.iddqd.social where I just have shitpost code on there. I'm not sure how much I'm going to care about the ActivityPub "standard," if I'm being honest. I might just insert a bunch of shit in there and let other servers do what they want with the extra fields. If there's a reason to be anal about this I'm all ears, though.
@NEETzsche@dcc@childrapist1488@lina@Looming@p@slashb@mint I had a different opinion before but I think you should go for it. But be willing to deprecate bad ideas really fast and just break compatibility with anyone running your fork if it's older than a day old.
So just putting all of my made-up custom shit in a big-ass balormo object in the middle of the Activity is appropriate, then. Instances that don't have any use for it can just ignore it.
@amerika@Cookieman@Looming@NEETzsche@childrapist1488@fedilist@lina@mint It is true that the interface shapes things, but it is not the case that the same interface means the same use-case, the same intent, the same audience, the same experience, etc. The interface started off as mostly Twitter-like (though both have diverged), but this place isn't anything like Twitter. And I can swap out the interface and mostly have the same experience, so the interface is fungible.
If I use regular PleromaFE, or if I use bloat, or if I use the local hacked BBS interface (diverged from the one that used to ship with Pleroma, see https://git.pleroma.social/Duponin/sshocial for a server-independent version, here's a screenshot with some posts and the help message), the same things happen, more or less: I'm talking to the same people about the same topics regardless. There are very few differences: some extra interaction required to see an image (copy-paste in Linux or, just plumb the URL in Plan 9, in which I have installed the very fetching and surprisingly readable Fixedsys font from Windows 3.1), things like that.
It is conceivable (and I may set myself to the task later, as I have been threatening to do for a few years) that you get the server to speak IMAP to allow someone to view messages and then SMTP or submission to send messages (the metadata is nearly 1:1, down to the In-Reply-To header). In that case, the interface would be identical to any other email client, because you would be using your email client. I do not think you could correctly call the system "email", though, any more than you could call this "social media" because of the superficial resemblance to Twitter. It certainly would shape some of the interaction, but I can't imagine that I'd use it the same way I use regular email.
> The biggest difference here is no algo, which has both positives and negatives.
There's really nothing that stops someone from implementing a non-chronological timeline (hopefully in parallel with the existing timeline rather than as a replacement), except that the predatory version of it has given everyone an allergy to the concept. Instead of sorting by date, you calculate a ranking, you use the same formula finance guys use for discounting future dollars, you sort by the ranking. (`value/((1+depreciation_constant)^age)`, use positive interaction count for value, tweak the depreciation constant until you are happy with the rate of drop-off, or if you wanted to get fancy, you could depreciate the interactions themselves, so an old post that gets a lot of very recent attention has a chance of bubbling up. For news articles or something, depreciation by day is generally better but on fedi you could do it by the hour.) You could even do it pretty quickly: a sparse table with the rank, join it for sorting the special timeline. Posts that go under a given threshold get removed from the sparse table, and the rest of them you could just periodically depreciate (which would make the "fancy" version easier to implement than the other version). So if you cap the sparse table at maybe a thousand entries and you could actually afford to process it in real-time. I haven't looked, but I suspect this is more or less what HN does; it's what anyone does if they have a math nerd (or a sufficiently clever finance nerd) working there.
Anyway, not hard to do, just no one has done it. (Mastodon has something similar, but they use absolute numbers. Twitter figured out that you have to account for ambient level for that to be useful, after some amount of time with "Trending" tab containing exclusively Bieber-related hashtags. If you are trying to get the computer to tell you how today is different from yesterday, you have to ask to about the proportional change from yesterday rather than just looking at the top.) interface.png
Fedi has always been a microblogging service, man, come on. It's a federated Twitter clone. There's really no need to get up in arms about that characterization of it, since it's accurate.
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I didn't argue that it's not a microblogging service. I said it is not "social media". An IRC server is definitely not "social media": what's the difference between that and Twitter? There's a line somewhere, some cluster of traits that you expect from a "social media" platform and that you definitely do not expect from an IRC server.
@p@Cookieman@amerika@childrapist1488@lina@Looming@fedilist@NEETzsche As far as I know, there's no escape sequences involved since you could just cat a plaintext file with the link and it'll be clickable. It simply parses the output by seeing whether there's a string slthat starts with http and ends with newline/whitespace. And single click does nothing to prevent misclicking, at least in Konsole/Yakuake.
Not any of them I'd use. But they've also actually added a terminal escape sequence, and people decided to start shitting that cursed series of bytes out of their build systems or shoving them into the man pages, the worst way to implement it.
Also the fact that you can click does not mean anything you want to happen is going to happen. It's gonna shit the URL to wherever it feels like, so you can sit there for a few seconds, staring slackjawed at the screen, until it either opens the wrong browser or you decide it has tried to run one that you haven't installed.
I also don't *want* them clickable. That is the one area where everything I do with the mouse is "highlight text": I don't have to think about what is going to happen, I don't have to find the one-pixel region where I can start a sweep to highlight a URL to copy it instead of accidentally making it open a browser, which is how URLs work in, like, half the other complete bullshit programs Linux likes to pretend are a UI. I absent-mindedly try to highlight a line, ten seconds later Firefox decides to show up to work. WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESTORE THE PREVIOUS SESSION? (dvtm's mouse support has never delighted me, only unpleasantly surprised me.) If I want something special to happen, I will click the "make something happen" button, that's preferable to having to go out of my way to avoid the terrible behavior just to get the URL into wget instead of whatever bad guess the terminal emulator was going to make.
I will die on this hill. This, and every hill.
(But ranting aside, the plumber is pattern-matched programmable behavior. It is very different from clickable links. It's not just URLs, you can match anything and make arbitrary actions happen; it's like the difference between a window manager with preset keybindings and one with programmable keybindings. It is also not done automatically: in the normal rio shell windows or in the terminal emulator for talking to things that expect a vt100, you've got to explicitly plumb something. This means nothing surprising ever happens when you try to highlight text, and not being surprised that the machine decided to do something stupid goes a long way towards making the environment comfortable.)
@p@Cookieman@Looming@NEETzsche@amerika@childrapist1488@fedilist@lina >single click does nothing to prevent misclicking Poorly worded. What I wanted to say is that there's a misclick prevention measures, since you have to at least do a double click without moving the mouse.
When I noticed the phenomenon, people at work were in these hilarious group SMS chats where they just bullshitted about their days and then made plans to hook up at whatever normie fruit sugar bullshit drink watering hole they had found so they could dance to meth heartbeat techno and then rut in plastic SUVs.
And at that moment, at least as I recall, the first Twitter-enabled fridge came out.
What's hilarious is those group chats still exist everywhere. Everybody seems to be in at least one. There's always like three people who start them, too, and they pick which service they use for it out of a hat. That service is always garbage. But everybody feels the need to get it because it's the service that their work friends are on.
That's how strong the network effect is. Three people deciding out of the blue that we're definitely using CancerFE just ends the debate, hard stop.
@unlight@Cookieman@Looming@NEETzsche@amerika@childrapist1488@fedilist@lina@mint As long as the energy required to contemplate it is greater than the energy required to avoid thinking about it, people will usually avoid thinking about it. People go out of their way to avoid absorbing a new way in which the world is more complicated than expected. Everyone does, we're probably doing it somewhere. (Impossible to see your own cognitive blind spots.)
@p@Cookieman@Looming@NEETzsche@amerika@childrapist1488@fedilist@lina@mint Precisely why I never pretend to be any more intelligent than what I am and discount that even in the beginning. Somebody's probably thought of everything I've thought about already and devised a solution to the problem I don't yet see
It just takes another level of silly to take all of those precautions to fall for the sunk cost fallacy of "OH WELL IF THE GOOBERMINT ALREADY KNOWS MY NAME IT'S ALL JOEVER"
I had a guy come in at work today with a ton of questions about how decentralizing networks functions and he couldn't wrap his head around it. I attempted to inform him about this very same distinction; the difference between something like Twitter and IRC and his head just exploded before my eyes
He could install piholes, use wireguard, dive through Ubiquiti equipment until the conversation died but when it came to shedding the skin of the social network he was utterly perplexed as to why someone would even bother. There was this fascination with the idea that since some data to some degree has been scraped by the federal government that there was no point in divesting oneself of the tools afforded to us, and I was just amazed by the hubris
@NEETzsche@Cookieman@amerika@childrapist1488@lina@Looming@fedilist@mint This is a communication tool, not a "content" factory. It's like saying 4chan is social media. Imageboards are technically a medium and they are technically social (though so is IRC), but the category is over-broad if it includes that. Email is both a medium and social.
@NEETzsche@Cookieman@amerika@childrapist1488@lina@Looming@fedilist@p@unlight@mint black metal is hilariously stupid that it is completely redundant to spook the normie and antifa that exist in a perpetual state of neurotic life unworthy of life. There is no need to being an inverse clown or calling yourself childgangrapist1488. Normies are bad and worthless but don't be a hateable retard that takes that vitriol away rightfully towards the normies.
I've noticed a rash of no-name bands/acts coming out that are actually listenable, and they're distinctly up to date. I'm not talking about black metal, to be clear. I think that has come and gone, for the most part.
essentially this, yeah. I might be a little more easy to please because while I can easily listen to DSO or Mgła or any of the other newer, perhaps "trendier" bands I find myself stuck in a lot of Ulver-esque navel gazing
maybe that makes me silly and seemingly faux-romantic to people but eh, brain likes what it likes
not everything is Varg punching the air to an 8-bit version of Dunkelheit, there's a lot of fun shit to listen to in the genre even now
in somewhat related observations: Hipster Black Metal is doing a pretty great job coming out of the rock he was hiding under showing off some really cool stuff while being generally irreverent
That's always been the case. Most music of each decade in the 20th century is completely forgotten. It's coal, basically, with only a few gems making it. It's why the same like 10 songs from the 1960s keep getting played over and over again, forever, even though boomers insist that music basically began and ended in the 1960s.
I should clarify. Some of it certainly is rock/metal. But a lot of it isn't even in that wheelhouse, like rap or techno. The kids are mixing it up, is what I'm saying. They're doing things that aren't just a copy-paste of the 1990s, although you can certainly identify that influence.
Oh really? Now I am more interested; of what genres do you speak? I've been posting Ghostfauna to the news updates because that seems like one of the more interesting recent things.
@NEETzsche@andreas@Cookieman@amerika@markcuban@lich@childrapist1488@lina@Looming@unlight@mint "Terminal blackpill" is like irony poisoning, it prevents the person from chilling out. Both conditions also stop people from ever saying "I like this" about a thing they actually like (that is, a thing that isn't defined exclusively in contrast to the thing they don't like, or isn't enjoyed entirely because it is the opposite of the thing they don't like). At least with terminally blackpilled people, it is theoretically possible to that bringing up their serotonin levels would fix the trouble, but I can't get the IRB to approve my methods.
> there is no such thing as being terminally blackpilled.
Can't expect a fish to notice the water.
> And saying it is to be blackpilled to not like black metal is clearly retarded.
I have known you for how long? I didn't conclude this based on you not liking black metal, it's based on you not liking anything, ever, and actively disliking most things. I think this is the reason NEETzsche was asking that question: you are cranky, dude. You are gonna have an aneurysm. You need, like...I don't know, like, do you take naps or jerk off or sip tea at an open-air cafe with a charming young lady or, like, I don't know, there has to be something that improves your mood. Catching fireflies, laying on a patch of grass by a slow-moving creek, a dog, fifty dogs, fifty *puppies*.
@amerika@Cookieman@Looming@NEETzsche@andreas@childrapist1488@lich@lina@markcuban@mint@unlight *Also* that someone needs to give andreas a piece of his favorite kind of cheese or something. Just whatever stops him from having a bad day every day. I swear, the dude walks out to his mailbox and along the way he has to curse the sun and declare that an enemy must have put the sun there to make him squint.
> I always called the poasties Hollywood Nazis because that was what we called them in the old days because it nailed what they were.
Ha, that was more or less my view of the "Red Pill" guys from maybe ten or fifteen years ago and the "trad" guys nowadays. By the 90s, the claims made by people of a Certain Political Leaning about the plight of women in the 1950s had gone all the way off the rails, so the picture they painted was of men running around, doing rapes with absolute impunity, punching ladies in the face, and ruling their homes with an iron fist, holding the power of life and death, and forbidding women to read or talk, also this sandwich has mustard. A society like that has never existed, let alone in the US in the 1950s, but these guys had basically swallowed that story and when they figured there was something wrong with how things work nowadays, and so when they insisted things had to go back, the answer to the implicit question of "To where?" was this absurd caricature concocted in the 1970s and embellished in the intervening years. So they reason, "Janitors could buy houses back then. You know what? This sandwich *does* have mustard!" and conclude that an orderly society can only be constructed by doing maximum rapes and publicly caning your wife if she tries to read a book.
(It is kind of obvious that there is an undercurrent of fetishism with the "trad" people, but I keep getting the feeling that the same undercurrent is present with the Nuremspergs.) tardwifect.png
You didn't even read that. I never said they were. The $current_year Nazi dipshits get pissed when I point out that they were not and that all of that stuff was an addition by GLR.
What I did say--I will have to simplify this for the extremely high-IQ guy, I guess--is that much like the cult of "trad", the Nuremspergs have idolized a past that did not exist.
People who listen to black metal now are like the hardcore audience of the late 1980s: going through the motions.
The music is even the same. Emo came from the Fugazi era when former hardcore bands tried to be Joy Division.
Black metal, 1987-1994. There are a few exceptions and I celebrate those, but since I post them on websites instead of here none of you will ever know.
that's just it though, most people who listen to black metal agree with this take including myself
somewhat on the subject: it sucks what happened to Drudkh, what an embarrassing way to go with all this Ghost of KEEEEV bullshit. I'll still listen to them though, and Hate Forest is still a thing so there's that
@amerika@Cookieman@Looming@NEETzsche@andreas@childrapist1488@lich@lina@markcuban@mint@unlight Thiel subdivided optimists and pessimists into "definite" and "indefinite", describing the Greatest Generation as "definite optimists" (people who imagined a bright future and saw a concrete path), the Boomers--who grew up under people that were working hard to create a better future, so nice things kept happening to the Boomers with no effort on their part--as "indefinite optimists" (people who were hopeful that things would work out, but had no idea how; *someone* will handle it, someone will science some inventions and then we won't have to worry about problems), and Gen-X--who grew up watching the Boomers exploit a functioning society, leaving things worse than they found it--as "indefinite pessimists" (people who expect the worst but do not know what will make that happen).
@p@Cookieman@amerika@lich@childrapist1488@lina@Looming@fedilist@unlight@NEETzsche@mint They wilfully refuse to meet the criteria of what makes a NS an NS by simple pattern recognition. They make blatantly wrong statements that are contradicted by the man they supposedly worship (making your claim they worship him incorrect). They actively refuse to abide by any party standards or ideological standards of the National Socialism or build upon those foundations. Making them not-Nazis.
They are not Nazis/National Socialists/NS at all. It is not semantic lawyering it is looking how not like any NS they supposedly want to revitalize which they themselves admit they don't want to bring back at all for crying about how much Britain was the real racist slaughterer of brown people and how Hitler should have sided with Russia to destroy the West which Germany was clearly a part of (big red flags of genuine communist subversion that would have been killed off). You can mewl about how a nigger waving a swastika is somehow Nazi or an Israeli putting Palestinians in death camps or Putin being anything like Hitler is somehow them being a Nazi. I am and everyone else with a functioning brainstem is going to laugh at you for thinking that is remotely true if that is your criteria.
> They are not Nazis at all, dipshit. That is what you failed to understand.
It's not that I failed to understand, it's that I've heard it before and it was stupid every time.
They hump Hitler's corpse, they espouse national socialism, they put swastikas in their bios/display names. I'm not gonna play semantics-lawyer, they're Nazis. Whichever you're going with, whether you have some criteria you pick or not, and they don't count, or you're going to do that "well *technically*, you are only allowed to use that word if you are describing the German political party from the 1930s, nevermind that they didn't like the term 'Nazi' either", or you have something else, it's not going to be anything new and it's not likely that you're going to name a distinction that matters.
It's a good thread. Really captures how months can go past and yet you do nothing worthwhile, make no advancement, fix no problems. You useless retarded bitch, lmao.
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