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this is the lie they always tell. Anyone who has had an animal butchered knows the vast majority of the cost is the animal itself, and butchering is like 1/10th of the cost.
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@sickburnbro They like to pretend that "labor cost" is the full MSRP of a product, when pushing the "importance" of "will work cheeeeper" 3rd World Replacement Workers.
The example I usually use is the lettuce-picker. Way back during the Gang-Of-Eight days, McCain said Americans would not do it for a good wage. Then, he refused to find jobs for the Americans who accepted his offer.
How many heads of lettuce does a lettuce-picker harvest per-hour? Triple their wages, pass it 100% to the consumer, and a single head of lettuce would only increase a few-cents. All those Americans could then buy homes, decent cars, and make too much to qualify for social-programs - saving the consumer far more in tax-savings.
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@PopulistRight the problem is that we have a giant ponzi scheme built on increasing returns, and so every corner must be cut
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@sickburnbro That's why the scheme only works at scale at a place like Tyson, Smithfield, etc.
It is humorous that these corporate apologists actually believe that MegaCorps employ slave labor to pass savings onto their customers instead of, you know, just pocketing the difference.
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@sickburnbro Well funny, my friend is a farmer and sold me a half-side of beef five days ago. Here is the cost breakdown:
Steer 1182 lbs. Hanging Weight 631 lbs.
The processing price for the entire steer was $647.00
Animal price is 1182 x 2.05 = $2423.10
So in today's market in the rural area I'm in it's 25% of the animal price not 10%. I'm not arguing but this was this week so about as accurate as you're going to get.
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@VikingWays $2 per pound for steer is insanely cheap. From what I've seen, I'd expect $4, which would put the steer at ~$4k.
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@PopulistRight @sickburnbro Furthermore, you're spending extra on spics who either don't work fast, or no-show work. For each spic who has a sudden case of the flu, you're paying his co-worker time and a half to cover his shift.
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@sickburnbro It's a twenty year buddy so he probably cut me a massive deal.
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@VikingWays @sickburnbro sick. how long does that usually last you?
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@professionalbigot69 @sickburnbro The steaks and 'good cuts' about four months, but hamburger, eight months to a year. I'm getting grass fed (a bit of grain finish for flavor in the last month) non-hormone beef including steaks for under 5.00 per pound. Make friends with farmers and deals are everywhere. Hell he met me in a sporting good parking lot halfway between his place and mine to exchange the check for meat.
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@VikingWays @professionalbigot69 and honestly in 2024 "making friends with a farmer" is basically showing up, buying their animals and chatting with them.
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@VikingWays @sickburnbro
Whith the numbers you gave butchering and packaging was 21% of final cost.
$647 / ( $647 + $2,423) × 100% = 21.07%
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@teknomunk @VikingWays @sickburnbro I guess more to the point is that, if he gets anywhere near the hanging weight in terms of product (doubtful, but stay with me) it works out to be ~$4.87/lb (much like my wife figured our recent pig processing worked out to be $3/lb). Okay, so if illegal labor is saving us all that much why is the bended cost at the grocery store from BigAg, generally, *more* (or at best, the same).
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@EvilSandmich @teknomunk @VikingWays yeah. that's the part that's funny. all this industrialization is sold on being "cheaper", yet you can get whole animals from small famers and small butchers for cheaper with a higher quality.
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@AsukaNeko @sickburnbro Yeah this guy raises them well too. I got one almost exactly one year ago from him. So good. I got 31lb of bacon I low smoked and rationed. Lasted me until november. I have about 4 chops left.
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@smoker78 @sickburnbro Wish I could find that here. Fresh pork is unsurpassable.
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@sickburnbro I just bought a whole cow. $2950 for 950 lb hanging, which comes to $3.10 a lb. and because I don't have the resources to butcher it myself I have it at a locker that charges $1.05 per lb. I assume a 40% weight loss during processing so about 570 lbs recovered @$1.05 a lb will be just under $600. So $3550 for a cow, processing is just shy of 17% of the total cost.
Now I'm picking up a whole pig later today for $400. I will butcher it myself so the 360 lb pig I get will cost me only $400 and about 1.3 hours to butcher and bag.
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@smoker78 1.3hr to butcher a whole hog, you must have quite a bit of experience
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@sickburnbro A little. That doesn't count grinding the meat, but yeah I'm comfortable. I get it head off, skinned and cut in half already so that saves me some time.
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@smoker78 do you use a bone saw or do you have something electric
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@sickburnbro I have a large bone saw.
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@sickburnbro @smoker78 There's a video of a guy doing it on JewTube (age restricted); the abattoir down the road charges $75 per pig which is a deal for us as we don't have the equipment to do the hot water dunk and, really, when I have to find a home for a wheelbarrow full of "yuck" on our swamplands I'd probably pay double that to have someone else do it.
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@EvilSandmich @sickburnbro I don't have much waste. The bones I take to the same dump that takes my deer carcasses every year and the trim waste I cook up and give to the dogs.
the bearded butchers have some great videos of you ever want to do it yourself.
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@smoker78 @sickburnbro We were going to but I had a heart to heart with missus noting that it takes us about a day to completely process (dispatch-to-cut-up chunks) five chickens, and the math on 5x12lb chickens versus 1x250lb hog just didn't seem all that favorable.
Another factor was that I thought the weather wouldn't hold for hanging the carcasses, but I was proven wrong on that count.
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@EvilSandmich @smoker78 the thing about a hog is, if you're doing big cuts a lot of the portioning can go pretty quick.
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@sickburnbro >but if you hire criminal aliens your food will be cheaper!
Bullshit
The prices will stay the same and the execs will pocket the profits
Not necessarily because they are greedy (they are) but because this has been case law since dodge v ford a century ago
The only purpose of a company is to provide profits to shareholders
If you dont give shekelbergstein his maximun return on investment he will sue your company
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@VidMasterEon well remember "some" companies are allowed to get away with doing big donations to "charity" rather than maximizing shareholder value
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@wgiwf @VidMasterEon capitalism isn't a race to the bottom, it's a system that incentivizes removing inefficiencies and/or innovation. But like all other systems it has problems. If there aren't inefficiencies to remove and it is PUSHED to keep generating returns, it will guaranteed fuck shit up
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@VidMasterEon @sickburnbro Capitalism is a race to the bottom.
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@sickburnbro
Cutting your own meat can save you many sheckles. A NY strip steak is about $16 a pound but if you get the whole strip subprimal you might get it for $9. You don't need illegals to slice a couple of delicious steaks for an extra $7 lb. I guess I'm a cheap bastard.
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@Frondeur @MeBigbrain it runs deeper than that. They are both schools of liberalism, communists just favor international version which is drastically more toxic. What we have seen here is that even a national version can easily be corrupted to caring about the outsider more than the poor.
This has been long known, with "telescopic philanthropy" diagnosed by Dickens 160 years ago
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@sickburnbro >acting like migrants prevent inflation rather than cause it
Amazing mental gymnastics they have there.
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@MeBigbrain @sickburnbro The old guard are marxists masquarading as new/neo keynsians...despite what their models and data say...they always fall back on class warfare being the cause of aggregate price disruption...it's impossible in their minds that people who are paid less can raise prices...
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@dj if you get the entire cow, you can, as we see, get it for $4/lb
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@sickburnbro i just purchased a half cow a few days ago actually and I'll tell you it really throws the idea that we have an efficient or fair system out the window. This guy is complaining about meatpacking wages not being acceptable, but I still manage to pay my local butcher more for his time AND somehow wind up with better quality yet cheaper meat. I really just don't get what these big companies are wasting all that money on.
Also I highly recommend going the above route on meat. Buying a medium sized chest freezer was one of the best investments I've made in the last decade, hands down. You will EASILY recoup the few hundred you spend on it with your first half cow and the electrical costs are almost nothing.
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@Heil_Honkler @sickburnbro mine was right around 200 a few years ago but I didn't shop around. You might do better at a scratch-and-dent place. I remember seeing some standing freezers when I went to buy my washer/dryer. Scratch-and-dent places are a lifesaver tbh
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@binkle @sickburnbro sadly the price of a 7ish cu ft freezer is now around 220 bucks, few years ago one would only be like around 100. still, like you said a good investment for a single guy.
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