I work with dogs, people don't report bites from most breeds. And even then, with all the bed wetting over a breed that looks scawy, 346 deaths over 15 years from pitbull bites.
23 a year. Lawnmowers take ~75 a year for comparison, and ~31 to lightning. We gotta bigger issues than people being afraid of puppies.
As are pitbull critics. There are way more dangerous dogs out there, some were bred to take down bears lmao. And there are way more aggressive dogs out there, small dogs bite way more often than bigger breeds do.
I'm just a dog enthusiast though, even chihuahuas are (barely) superior to people imo.
@Sui@mushroom_soup@Darbzilla@Billy_Hughes@threat Every dog can bit, and most eventually will even if from playz accident, or they're in pain. Some dogs will maim with a bait. Pitbulls are never as aggressive towards me and Jack Russells (little turds) and Chihuahuas (little rat bastards). Most pitbulls I've met have been super friendly and lovable towards people. I'm not letting small kids run around untrained medium sized dogs. I don't doubt that the role of a dog changing from a trained animal to a "family member" has contributed to the problem, as well as all the other proxy issues.
@Sui@mushroom_soup@Darbzilla@Billy_Hughes@threat How the fuck do I look after my kid if a neighbor decides to have a dog that could become bloodthirsty on a dime and rush to tear throats out? Have you ever defended yourself or someone else from a dog attack? I have defended my doxie from a german shepherd and the fortunate thing was, that the shepherd didn't bite humans. So I just barely managed to hold down the dog until the owner came.
Got any arguments that aren't used by far leftists trying to take guns away? Because I cba to run down that script.
>Have you ever defended yourself or someone else from a dog attack? Many dogs, sure. Dog play can turn into dog fight pretty rapidly. It's quite easy, just do the wheelbarrow method. Grab the hindlegs and pull. But I keep the dogs I'm caring for out of those situations.
Barely managed to hold a german shepherd down? Wow you're weak lmao.
@Sui@mushroom_soup@Darbzilla@Billy_Hughes@Giga_Vril_Breaker@threat Dogs have a profession and I can’t see one for pits other than in a negative light. The majority of dog owners don’t use the dog as it’s intended (myself included) and having a dog like a pit who’s profession is maiming that other nig *is where this falls apart*. My point being is they are so far removed from the cattle/boar dog that it’s hard to even associate them with nothing else.
They protec, that's the positive light and it's the same as guns, and they're also great companions. The more people freeze up around them, the more they assume that person is a threat to the person on the other end of the leash that they fucking love more than their life's worth. It's a self fulfilling prophecy really.
@Sui@Giga_Vril_Breaker@mushroom_soup@Darbzilla@Billy_Hughes@threat Maybe youre conditioned by the brit breeds, most nigbuls are a loud pop from going feral. My neighbor had wolf hybrids and they had more bite, jump, size, etc and I’d trust it over the burger muttbuls that everyone is expecting a nanny dog out of(they’re not).
All my dog work has been state side, and I've worked with shelter dogs as well as former bait dogs etc. I love wolf hybrids, but again with every breed you have to have an appropriate home/living situation. Get a german shep and don't share an active lifestyle with it, it's going to destroy your home or lash out in other ways etc.
If it was a nature over nurture issue it'd be a lot more than <1% of pitties that are an issue. But it isn't, it's only a tiny fraction and there are a number of factors that raise risks.
@Sui@mushroom_soup@Darbzilla@Billy_Hughes@Giga_Vril_Breaker@sargoysmuck@threat No, the opposite. Having a population (niggers, shitbulls) where 1% just randomly commits murders for no reason is not acceptable. Your argument that the absolute numbers are low doesn't really work. The point is that they're much higher than every other breed, and everyone knows it.
"In the 10 years from 2009 to 2018, pit bulls killed or maimed 3,569 people in the USA and Canada. (Merritt Clifton, Dog Attack Deaths & Maimings, U.S. & Canada, 1982-2018 Log.) They killed over 80% of all Americans who are killed by dogs. (Colleen Lynn, 2015 U.S. Dog Bite Fatalities, at dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2015.php.)";
@Sui@mushroom_soup@Darbzilla@Billy_Hughes@Giga_Vril_Breaker@sargoysmuck@threat Yes, the same, and I've heard shitlibs use the exact same argument for niggers. Watch: There's 43 million niggers in the USA. 60% of murders are committed by them, or about 12,700. That means that if all murders are committed by a unique individual (they're not), only 0.03% of niggers are murderers. Wow, we should all go out and adopt one as a pet!!
Why are you so obsessed with cleaning up after Michael Vick's leftovers? The only reason there's so many around is because they're being bred for dogfighting. The demand for every other breed is sky high, but go to adopt one and all you find are pits.
@Sui@mushroom_soup@Darbzilla@Billy_Hughes@Giga_Vril_Breaker@PoalackJokes88@sargoysmuck@threat >A breed under a third as deadly as lawnmowers I want to argue against this because no decent human being has a blind spot for a wildly running lawnmower near a baby, yet plenty of people take the NOTMYDOGGO approach and leave their pitbulls or other dogs off a leash. A golden retriever puppy weighing 50 lbs jumped on one of my kids when they were two and they're still scared of all dogs years later. The child didn't know it was trying to jump up for a kiss, and the dog reacts with more kisses. Had the dog had a more fighting temperament, which a lot of pits and other breeds have, it could have turned into play/real biting using my child's arm or face as a toy. The prevalence of pitbull ownership by people who shouldn't have a dog and don't know how to raise a dog creates problems. The quality of the genetic stock for pits is also an issue, because the potential for getting a "fighting dog" is definitely there, especially from ignorant low effort owners. I'm talking about people who just put their dog on a chain or runner and never walk it, properly train it, never clip its nails, never bother with any of the basics of proper dog raising. They often choose pitbulls, and I don't know why. Maybe in the 90s they'd have had Dobermans and Rottweilers.
You trying to pull a no u after using leftist anti-2A AND anti-men arguments? Nigger please.
A breed under a third as deadly as lawnmowers, is not equivelant to niggers. No matter how desperate you are to justify your bed wetting.
Don't know/care whoever vick is, your leading arguments were trash though so it's probably pathetic too. Why are there so many pits in shelters? Mostly because of niggers like you, trying to pretend you aren't just a cowardly little shit by exaggerating the threat that terrifies you.
@Sui@mushroom_soup@Darbzilla@Billy_Hughes@Giga_Vril_Breaker@PoalackJokes88@sargoysmuck@threat But a lawnmower is predictable, a child less so, and a dog even less. I take an anti-fragility approach to my kids, and I think the world should accommodate me by not having stupid insane animals with alligator jaws in neighborhood yards. A lawnmower will not dart through a crowd of people and suddenly attack a child spontaneously, but a dog may. I reject the "all breeds" argument, because I've been around dogs most of my life. They have distinct innate characteristics. Hang out with a sheepdog and watch as it tries to herd you or the kids. A bird dog will point and go stiff at the sight of a bird without any training because of its instinct. A working dog, is always happy when working and fulfilling it's purpose. A pitbull has decades of a purpose bred into it that neither it nor society deserves to be burdened with, and that's a valid reason for caution and potential restrictions. I'd be okay if pitbulls required a special license; treat them like a concealed carry. I find no hypocrisy with that because the purpose of the second amendment per the actual authors is to show you're not a slave (symbolic), protect yourself and nation/state, and literally overthrow the government should they become tyrannical.
I'm going back to supervision and training again tbh. Almost every dog is a potential "fighting dog", besides the cosmetic/useless breeds. The child and pet both need adequate supervision, which would avoid it becoming an issue altogether regardless of the dog's breed. Dog ownership and child having, by people who aren't intelligent/responsible enough to have them causes a lot of issues.
Yeah, previous decades had different "feared breeds". Doesn't really change much though, children have the potential to be far more deadly than any dog breed if raised wrong. There can be little to no consistency under law if certain exaggerated fears are treated with the banhammer imo. Besides, bedsheets are far more deadly and I'd rather not be cold when I sleep. https://www.tylervigen.com/view_correlation?id=1864
>Why are there so many pits in shelters? Mostly because of niggers like you No, because of niggers. They breed them for fighting in the ghettos, because dogfighting is popular in the ghettos. The castaways are what end up in our shelters, because good dog breeders in the country raising cattle dogs are getting hit with anti-"puppy mill" laws. But say anything bad about the most dangerous breed and suddenly hordes of coalburners (you?) descend on everyone and start shouting "breed is only fur deep!"
@BowsacNoodle@Sui@mushroom_soup@Darbzilla@Billy_Hughes@Giga_Vril_Breaker@sargoysmuck@threat Today I took my kids to the park. One wanted me to go down the slide with her, the other wanted to jog around the perimeter. You try going down a kids slide with a CCW, it's not fun (and illegal if it falls out). If some dogwalker had one barely controlled while I'm away, what am I going to do, shout at it?
@givenup@Sui@mushroom_soup@Darbzilla@Billy_Hughes@Giga_Vril_Breaker@PoalackJokes88@sargoysmuck@threat Labs are fun. They're pretty dumb sometimes though. The retriever poodle mixes are really good though for less shedding while still being smart, trainable, and high energy. I'm mostly into shepherds because they're so stinking smart it's like training on ez mode and they handle roughhousing and "abuse" (squeezes and such) from kids like it's nothing.
Literally nobody has said that. Don't want you gran getting nig'd, keep the senile bitch out of the ghetto. Don't want your gran getting dog'd, keep the senile bitch away from dogs.
I'll be honest, cba to read that block of text because everything else you've said has been completely devoid of merit/logic. Keep pissing yourself over puppies idgaf, you're boring so I'm out.
My one bitch with shepherd is too smart and do poorly in the yard unattended (while at work) my last one liked to escape shit no dog should be able to... Then hear me coming home and race back trying to not look guilty when I pulled up and he was on the wrong side of the fence... My Rotts never escaped from a reasonable fence or even tried
If it was that predictable, it should have a lot less fatalities per year than something that's an unpredictable beast that should be banned/exterminated. Right?
Dogs are usually pretty predictable tbh, if you spend much time with a particular one you can learn their quirks and how to handle them. Letting animals and kids interact needs to be done properly, regardless of the animal involved. It's easy to traumatize a kid, and it's easy for a kid to antagonize.
If you genuinely believe all this nature trumps nurture bullshit, then you'd be more positive about pitbulls. Because over 99% of them will never harm a kid, even with the brat crawling over them and poking them. That's their nature, it's nurture that fucks them up and causes triggers.
> required a special license Didn't know you were a bong, you got a loicense for wanting that new loicense mayte?
>If you genuinely believe all this nature trumps nurture bullshit, then you'd be more positive about pitbulls. Because over 99% of them will never harm a kid, even with the brat crawling over them and poking them. That's their nature, it's nurture that fucks them up and causes triggers. I'm open to this being a possibility, but as I said in another response, I don't know if I can differentiate between their nature and their training since most examples I see of pitbulls is someone who treats their dog like trash. To me, it's a problem that will go away once the breed stops being considered "hardass" and trashy people move on to a different type of dog breed to ruin for everyone.
From 2011 to 2019, 14 peer-reviewed retrospective medical studies from Level 1 trauma centers spanning all major geographical regions in the United States — Northeast, Southeast, South, Southwest, Midwest, West Coast, and Northwest — all report similar findings: pit bulls are inflicting a higher prevalence of injuries than all other breeds of dogs. The majority of these studies (12 of 14) also report that pit bulls are inflicting the most severe injuries, requiring a higher number of operative interventions — up to five times higher — than other dog breeds. Four studies from this period — all from Level 1 trauma centers in the Denver metro area — show a mixture of results, possibly due to Denver and the surrounding metropolitan regions enforcing pit bull bans for the last 3 decades. (See a compilation of studies with citations by Lynn, Colleen, Level 1 Trauma Center Studies, dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-studies-level-1-trauma-table-2011-present.php.)
You clearly didn't read what I said, because I agreed with your sentiment. I even said that all dog breeds are potentially fighting dogs/dangerous, you spaz. I also think that irresponsible cuntfucks shouldn't be allowed children, as they're far more dangerous when raised wrong. For example your parents clearly failed with you, you should've been aborted.
>Aye, but have you got yer asking me about my loicens permit??? FUCK
>the typical example I see of pitbulls is someone who treats their dog like trash. Sounds like you need better friends, I regard animal abusers as the scum they are.
> It's a problem that will go away once the breed stops being considered "hardass" It's a problem that will migrate to another animal, yes.. It won't go away without people not reacting irrationally out of fear, so it'll probably never go away.
>Animal abusers Just to clarify, I'm talking about regular people who I'll see with a pitbull. Often outside on a runner, never going for a walk, and untrained or poorly trained. Not my friends for these ones 😎. It isn't so much abuse as it is low quality dog ownership. You shouldn't do that to a dog, especially one with powerful jaws, unless you want to make a mean junkyard dog.
Man, we got harassed by the tv loicense faggots so hard at uni. We were in student dorms, zero signal. Even the normie tv addicts couldn't get a signal with multiple boosters. They still kept knocking, trying to come in/get us to just pay for something we couldn't get.
If it could reasonably lead to your dog/child causing harm to another, enough to get them killed for it, I'd call that abuse tbh.
@BowsacNoodle@Sui@mushroom_soup@Darbzilla@Billy_Hughes@Giga_Vril_Breaker@PoalackJokes88@sargoysmuck@threat all my own dogs, have been adopted mutts tbh, but my mom has owned pure bred labs i grew up with a breeding pair of her labs that she sold puppies and usually kept more than she sold from their litters, max and molly lol, they were good dogs, also i will never forget one time after that dog gave birth and had saggy boobs, my mom made up a rhyme said "molly muggs with the big fat jugs" and i oculnd't stop lauging.