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#Kbin update:
- The https://kbin.social server is now federating with the rest of the Fediverse. This means you can follow and interact with kbin.social magazines and users from other Kbin servers, Mastodon servers and other Fediverse servers. For example the lead developer of Kbin is at @ernest
- There's a new Kbin server at https://readit.buzz which is run by the same people as the Universodon.com Mastodon server. It's open for signups, just click "log in" and then "register".
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I think it will be good to have as many options as possible, because it's important to have alternatives if something goes wrong, and also because some people will prefer different types of group.
Nafeon
@feditips I just posted about the implication here, haha https://snaggletooth.life/@NafiTheBear/110548521933033596
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p.s. If you are browsing a magazine, thread or account from Kbin (or anywhere else on the Fediverse!) and you want to interact with it somewhere else on the Fediverse but you can't find it by searching, here's how to make your server notice it:
1. Go to Kbin in your web browser
2. Copy the web address of what you want to interact with
3. Paste that address into the search box on Mastodon (or any other Fediverse server type)
It will then appear on your own server where you can interact with it.
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Hmm... 🤔 Good question!
I'm not sure if the problem is with how Mastodon treats groups, or how the magazine treats federation.
I'm guessing the magazine would have to stop federating replies, or perhaps have an alternative address you could follow to just see top level posts?
As you say, a workaround for the moment would be just using a group-oriented platform like Kbin to follow groups, as it makes group management easier.
Tyler Spada
@feditips @ernest @TodayILearned
Is it possible to only see top-level posts of a magazine (or lemmy community) in mastodon? I would love to centralize everything but, currently, following a magazine means I see a separate post for every comment made to any post in that magazine. It’s overwhelming.
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The procedure in my post is only for use if your server hasn't noticed an account, thread or group. It's meant as a last resort rather than first resort.
It's mainly useful for groups or accounts that are very new and haven't been noticed by many servers yet.
Servers cannot instantly notice every post and every account from every other server, it would be horrifically expensive and drive the Fediverse into the hands of big tech:
Elizabeth Wrigley-Field
@feditips This is *exactly* what makes this a not-very-user-friendly social media experience for anyone who wants to interact with more than one self-contained community…
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Once a single person on your server has followed a person or group or shared a post, everyone on your server will be able to find it from searches. More info here: https://fedi.tips/which-posts-and-accounts-can-i-see-from-my-server/
elkaki
Thanks for answering, on regards to the second part, am I following the magazine as if it were an account?
Also it doesn't show any posts, although that might be a temporary problem or because of the app, I will try to see it through the web later.
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Yeah, the upvotes from stars/favourites is how PeerTube does it too (so there's no downvoting option if you're using Mastodon).
The group will appear blank if no one on your server has followed it before or shared any of its posts. Once one person on your server follows the group, posts to the group from that moment onwards will start being visible to everyone on your server.
caos
@elkaki You can only upvote with Mastodon (with the star), not downvote. With Friendica and Hubzilla you can also downvote (but I've never done this, only as a test).
You would have to copy the URL of the magazine/community into the search field on Mastodon, then you can follow it, etc. It also works with all other URLs (also posts) from the ActivityPub-Fediverse (also Peertube videos and channels that you find via #sepiaserach for example).
@feditips @ernest
elkaki
I have a few questions in case anyone could answer, how does the federation work? If I go there through mastodon am I limited to commenting or can I upvote/downvote?
Lastly: how can I follow the instance or specific magazines?
In case it's relevant, I'm using fedilab so it allows me to follow multiple timelines, but I've been trying to follow https://kbin.social/m/PCGaming
And I just don't understand how to do it
Fynh
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A really good question! I am not sure... Maybe @ernest or someone else can answer this? The official documentation (https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/wiki#user-guide) doesn't cover this, as far as I can tell.
I'm guessing you have to be using a Kbin account to start a thread in a particular magazine?
Atypicaloddity
@feditips @ernest @TodayILearned
Question: when I look at Mastodon toots from kbin.social, they all appear under the 'random' magazine. Is there a way to tag my toot to be categorized under a specific magazine?
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Interesting... I guess the emoji reactions aren't categorised so it has trouble interpreting them.
caos
@feditips @elkaki Yes, and the ones that have emoji reactions (like Misskey, Akkoma, etc.) may all arrive as upvotes, even if it is a negative emoji like 👎 or 🙀
@ernest
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Yeah, group handling on Mastodon at the moment is designed for low traffic niche groups, not for massive traffic groups.
I guess this will require some redesign at Kbin and/or Mastodon.
elkaki
Thanks for taking the time 👍
One thing, similar to what I said here https://mastodon.online/@elkaki/110548671107228739
Are you following the magazine as if it were a user instead of an instance? Wouldn't that completely fill your timeline since there is no algorithm and you would be shown all the posts?
Fynh
Fynh
@elkaki @feditips @ernest My guess is that you can comment and upvote, because “favs” from Mastodon should translate to “upvotes” in kbin. But since there is no “dislike”-button in Mastodon there is nothing that would translate to “downvote” in kbin, therefore you cannot downvote a kbin post via Mastodon.
However, there are fediverse platforms that have a dislike button, like for example friendica (which I am using). Dislikes from here may be translate to downvotes on kbin, but I haven’t tested this.
To you other question: you can follow the magazine by copying and pasting it’s url into the search field of your mastodon app. This way you find the magazine in mastodon are able to follow it.
Atypicaloddity
You'd likely need a kbin account to start a magazine thread, but magazines also support microblogs. So I'd love to be able to post a toot to the, for example, m/gaming microblog instead of getting it pooled into the m/random microblog
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Ahhh I see what you mean now, the microblogging tab within the actual magazine?
Sorry, I am still getting used to all the features on Kbin!
I think I know what's going on...
Each magazine has a set of tags listed on the side of the screen, and it seems the microblogging section of a magazine displays posts with the tags that the magazine has chosen.
So, it's like the magazine has subscribed to hashtags and is displaying this feed in its microblogging section.
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So, to be included in a magazine's microblogging section, just include at least one of that magazine's listed tags in your post.
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I think it does, but I don't recommend Lemmy:
Kevin Hughes 🐝
@feditips @ernest @TodayILearned does kbin federate well with Lemmy?
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p.p.s. Several people asking in the thread about how to appear on the microblogging sections of Kbin magazines.
As far as I can tell, just include one of the tags that the magazine has listed on its about page, on the right side of the screen. For example to appear on the Apple magazine's microblogging section include #apple or #iphone or one of the other tags on that magazine's list.
Microblogging is a separate tab from Threads, you need a Kbin account to start a new thread.
Kay Ohtie
@feditips @ernest @TodayILearned are there reasons to run a separate instance to log in with? It'd definitely be cool to log into existing instances with my federated ID but being able to sub is still good!
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A Fediverse account only lets you log in on the server where you signed up.
However, your server communicates with other servers, which lets you interact with accounts, threads and groups across the Fediverse.
Running your own instance lets you choose which other servers you federate with, what the rules are, who gets banned etc.
CA$TLE
@feditips if #kbin is already able to post content to #Mastodon, it would be very cool if you could sign up to kbin via your Mastodon account. To me that just makes sense since both platforms already have functionality overlap.
I don't know how technically feasible that would be, just thinking aloud here. kbin already has log in with Google and Facebook accounts, so why not Mastodon ones too? If it's not feasible, nevermind. If it is, that would be very cool.
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I'm not sure what you mean by "signing up to kbin"?
Your account on the Fediverse only works with the server you signed up on, but your server lets you communicate with accounts and groups on other servers.
It's like with email: you can't use a Gmail account to sign in on Yahoo Mail, but you can still send emails between Gmail and Yahoo Mail accounts.
I don't think Kbin has Google or FB login by the way?
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I think we are talking about different things here?
The single link you see on Twitter just takes you to Reddit's website. It doesn't let you take part in Reddit from twitter.
If you just want to share a link to Kbin from Mastodon, sure that's easy, just post the link.
What I'm talking about is interaction across different platforms, replying to a Kbin thread from a Mastodon account. This is impossible on Twitter, because Twitter and Reddit don't have interoperability.
Elizabeth Wrigley-Field
@joshix @feditips I’d click one single link. At no point would I copy a url, then go to a different site with a few clicks and paste that URL into that site’s search function.
Joshix
@wrigleyfield @feditips it's really easy and one simple step.
How would you open a reddit thread on Twitter?
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Kbin and Mastodon and other Fediverse platforms all use a common standard called ActivityPub to communicate between servers. This means people on different kinds of server can interact and follow each other as if they were on the same server.
You cannot follow Reddit accounts from Twitter or have any kind of interaction, because they have no such common standard and no federation either.
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I'm not sure.
I can't see any pattern to which posts appear on the KbinMeta magazine's microblogging section, and it has no tags listed:
https://kbin.social/m/kbinMeta/microblog
The Apple microblogging section definitely has specific tags in all its posts, which match up with its tag list:
https://kbin.social/m/apple/microblog
...so... I dunno! Is there an option on magazines to choose what microblogs display?
Simon Wood
@feditips Presumably also if you @ mention the magazine, eg. @kbinMeta, or post using the ‘add post’ box at the top of the ‘Microblog’ tab…?
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Ah, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to patronise. 😳
Kay Ohtie
@feditips Aye, I know that's the case with Mastodon, have been running blimps.xyz since 2018, I just wasn't sure how stuff was working with kbin and similar. I'll have to look into them, especially if either supports SSO via OAuth/OIDC, so I could potentially run an instance for my users on here ^^
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Yes, that would be fantastic.
The ability to load a remote profile/post is already there manually with copy/paste and through plugins. Might as well automate it through something like a fedi://
Jesse
@feditips @wrigleyfield @joshix This highlights an issue though - the additional functionality applies a usability cost to everything, because it makes overall explanations more complex and confusing.
Jesse
@feditips @wrigleyfield @joshix Something I've observed in IT: people overlook fixes and solutions that seem "easy" or "obvious" to them in retrospect, because they've stopped considering the obvious. And usually that's because context cues have given them every reason to presume (and dread) complexity.
Joshix
@misc @feditips @wrigleyfield I think a better solution to the problem would be a scheme for fediverse content. Just replace "https://" with e.g. "fedi://" in the url and the post will be opened in you locally configured instance/app
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If you want to sign up on another server, why not just sign up on the other server?
If you want to communicate with the other server, why not just communicate with it from your current server?
I'm not sure what the advantage of an SSO system would be?
Gerg! :antiverified:
@feditips @cazzztle that’s always been a confusing bit for me. I had initially thought “federation” included SSO functionality, but that’s incorrect. It would be nice, especially with the various services popping up that are based on ActivityPub, but that’s not how any of this was designed.
CA$TLE
@wholegroanoats @feditips I was hoping nobody would say that... 😭
Nevermind I guess. Maybe one day in the future that can be implemented
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True, but it would be great if it happened.
Joshix
@feditips there needs to be a standard supported by all browsers for that
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@failedLyndonLaRouchite @ernest @TodayILearned
It's part of the Fediverse, it's decentralised, so it has all the advantages that brings:
https://fedi.tips/why-is-the-fediverse-on-so-many-separate-servers/
OddOpinions5
@feditips @ernest @TodayILearned
I took a quick look a the Kbin site and don't understand what is different/better about it
??
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@lunaa @ernest @atypicaloddity
In the microblogging section?
Luna:babaw_is::babaw_cute: :trans_verify:
@feditips@mstdn.social @atypicaloddity@mastodon.social @ernest@kbin.social I've seen someone else tag the "account" of a kbin magazine (so @magazineName@kbin.social) and that worked to get it to show up in that magazine's feed
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You can use your existing account.
The instructions above are only if your server hasn't noticed a particular account or server yet. If it's already noticed them, you don't need those instructions.
mattmaison
Yeah, I went to go use it and it made me make an account. I thought I could just use my Mastodon account for everything.
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I am still not 100% sure to be honest!
There are some magazines with no listed tags, and I haven't worked out how they choose the posts in their microblog tab.
The lead dev said they're trying to get better documentation done, but I'm guessing they've also got a lot of firefighting to do due to the reddit implosion.
One account should be enough for appearing on a magazine's microblog section. You would need a Kbin account to start a new thread in the threads section though.
Robert Kingett backup
@feditips I was trying to figure this out all morning! Like, where do my posts go if I tag the community/magazine in a post. I assumed they acted like groups, but would start a thread with my initial post as the main thread, but this clears up so so many things thank you! So how can I test and see where my posts are going because I can't find myself on KBin? I haven't made an account yet. I'm trying to stick with this 1 account for the whole Fediverse.
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p.s. I don't think tagging an account does anything? I tagged the TIL group in my main post today but it didn't appear in the TIL group's microblog section.
Michael Vilain
@feditips can't seem to register. Get Too Many Requests.
[sigh]
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Try registering on another server?
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I don't know of one that is still maintained, would love to be wrong though.
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@feditips BTW is there a non problematic fork of Lemmy?
Phil Sherry
@feditips @weirdwriter Are the problems all things that can be easily coded out, or are there enough that it would be very messy?
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If you were on Gmail, and you wanted to communicate with someone on Yahoo Mail, you wouldn't try to log in on Yahoo with your Gmail account.
To interact with Kbin from Mastodon, you can either find the account or group directly such as @ernest, or if your server hasn't noticed it yet you can manually make your server notice it by copying and pasting the web address into the search box on your server.
mattmaison
When I go to kbin and try to login, the email and password I use on Mastodon won't work. What am I missing?
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To some extent, yes. You can already follow BookWyrm accounts from Kbin (see the screenshot below).
You can't access BookWyrm-specific features from Kbin, that would require Kbin's developers adding those features.
autumnplains
@feditips Does this mean that we would be able to interact with content on Bookwyrm from a kbin account?
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Hmm... I'm not sure what is going on there, but to answer your original question yes if you reply on Mastodon it should appear on Kbin.
Archie 🔜 the fediverse
@feditips I did get this random notification for a post I made on Kbin but it wasn't in reply to anything my Mastodon account is attached to. No clue why this showed up
Archie 🔜 the fediverse
@feditips It took about 5 minutes to appear but I was able to comment on a post I made on Kbin! Now I'm seeing about replying to my Mastodon comment on Kbin.
This is a bit clunky, but I love this idea. I hope as the fediverse grows, the UX of this gets improved. I personally hate juggling accounts.
Archie 🔜 the fediverse
@feditips So if I reply to a Kbin post on Mastodon, will it appear as a comment on Kbin? I just tried this and it doesn't appear to have worked, but I heard Kbin was having federation trouble...
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It should show up if someone on your Mastodon server is following that magazine.
kiwiapple87
@feditips do you know if you tag a thread in a kbin magazine with the appropriate hashtag would it show up in mastodon?
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Wait... you are getting Kbin notifications on Mastodon? Do you mean notifications from a Kbin account? 🤔
Archie 🔜 the fediverse
@feditips Yeah I now appear to be getting replies to my kbin profile on Mastodon. I'm not...complaining, but...weh?
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Ahhh okay that makes sense!
If you want you can customise notifications to only show certain kinds of activity. There's a slider button at the top right corner on the web interface, and a mentions-only tab below that.
Archie 🔜 the fediverse
@feditips I looked a bit closer and it turned out my Mastodon was mentioned on Kbin, the web interface for Mastodon doesn't really differentiate between replies and mentions in notifications. I'm more used to mobile apps
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Does your magazine have tags listed at the side of the page?
Those seem to determine if a post appears in the magazine's microblog.
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Do posts with those tags end up in the microblog?
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Which Kbin server is your magazine on? Kbin.social?
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I am wondering if this is to do with account that the Kbin.Social server has noticed.
Fediverse servers don't notice all posts from all accounts from all other servers, as the resources needed would cost a fortune.
There's a set of rules which determines if a server notices an account or post (https://fedi.tips/which-posts-and-accounts-can-i-see-from-my-server/).
Perhaps the account you are testing it from hasn't been noticed by Kbin.social? Have you followed the Mastodon account you tested with from your Kbin account?
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Congrats! 🥳
Sharon of the Strange Times
@feditips I figured out how to follow myself on mstdn.social from kbin and the tagged posts on mastodon now appear in the kbin magazine microblog feed.
Vint Prox
I gave #Kbin another try, took a less popular instance without Cloudflare, create a magazine with appropriate tags in settings.
When I go and make a post on Mastodon with one of those tags AND even mention the group where magazine resides (just in case), but nothing makes the post appear on Kbin.
You can imagine my disappointment, as I promoted the shit out of Kbin prematurely and how it's suppoed to fetch remote posts - NOPE, doesn't work. 🤔 😔
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Hmm... hey @ernest can you help with this?
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