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   Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 12:02:24 JST Chris Trottier

   • Fediverse News
   • Playdate
   • Panic

   Not only did @panic, the makers of @playdate, join the Fediverse—they created their own community server!

   How cool is that?

   And if you’re wondering what the @playdate is, check out this bad boy!

   @fediversenews

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     Aswath Rao (aswath@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 12:02:11 JST Aswath Rao

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     @jeffZA @obale @Stark9837 @fediversenews @panic
     This is just a test post to see how the thread displays in #PhanpySocialDev

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     stark@techhub:~$ █ (stark9837@techhub.social)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 12:02:11 JST stark@techhub:~$ █

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     @aswath @jeffZA @obale @fediversenews @panic post a screenshot?

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     Aswath Rao (aswath@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 12:02:11 JST Aswath Rao

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     @Stark9837 @jeffZA @obale @fediversenews @panic Sorry for the delayed reponse. Couldn't figure out how to present the screen since the info is multiscreen. I suggest that you visit the two link side by side to appreciate the diff.
     https://mastodon.social/@atomicpoet/109911489697198306
     and https://phanpy.social/#/mastodon.social/s/109911489697198306

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     Jeff Morris ZA (jeffza@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 12:02:12 JST Jeff Morris ZA

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     @obale @Stark9837 @aswath @fediversenews @panic frustrated! How can I see the thread?

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     Alex Oberhauser (obale@social.oberhauser.space)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 12:02:17 JST Alex Oberhauser

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     @aswath @fediversenews @panic I guess part of the “problem” is that these type of new products are normally first adopted by technical early adopters and worked on from a deeply technical side.

     Problem is here under quotes because it is not a really a problem more part of the product life cycle. Terminology will change over the next months to be more mass market friendly.

     I am using the term product here in the loosest way possible.

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     stark@techhub:~$ █ (stark9837@techhub.social)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 12:02:17 JST stark@techhub:~$ █

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     @obale @aswath @fediversenews @panic

     The other problem is that it is a weird one.

     You get "What is #Mastodon" articles, but not "What is #Twitter" or "What is the water in your car for".

     So people are intimidated. If they just thought it was "normal," they would be less confused. They overthink it.

     I read ActivityPub's paper, front to back twice, and used the API docs to develop my bots. I need to know it. A normal user doesn't.

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     Alex Oberhauser (obale@social.oberhauser.space)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 12:02:17 JST Alex Oberhauser

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     @Stark9837 @aswath @fediversenews @panic Completely agree. It is actually far simpler than it is framed . At least from an end-user perspective. Even the ActivityPub specification is not overall complicated for people that want or need to read it.

     Once the Fediverse reaches critical mass I think that will change. It will go like that: “All my friends are here and most of them are on this community server so I just sign up there too”

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     Jim Rea (provuejim@techhub.social)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 12:02:18 JST Jim Rea

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     @antonioyon @atomicpoet @playdate @fediversenews @panic Ok, but aren’t web pages served by an _instance_ of a Web server? and email is facilitated thru _instances_ of Email servers, etc.? But they are never referred to that way. I like the Community Server idea, or just Mastodon Server or Mastodon Provider (like Email provider).

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     stark@techhub:~$ █ (stark9837@techhub.social)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 12:02:18 JST stark@techhub:~$ █

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     @provuejim @antonioyon @atomicpoet @playdate @fediversenews @panic

     No one knows how email works, but everyone uses it.

     No one knows how Twitter works, but everyone uses it.

     "But oh gosh, I don't know how Mastodon works, I can't use it."

     We need to make it transparent and obfuscate it from the normal public.

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     Aswath Rao (aswath@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 12:02:18 JST Aswath Rao

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     @Stark9837 @provuejim @antonioyon @atomicpoet @playdate @fediversenews @panic Most don't know how car works or change tires, but insist on driving. Heck,most is don't know how the body works, but we are living. This was the push back I used to receive for #EnThinnai.

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     Antonio Yon (antonioyon@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 12:02:21 JST Antonio Yon

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     @atomicpoet @playdate @fediversenews @panic But it’s an _instance_ of a #Mastodon server. Not just any server. I get that you’re trying to simplify for mainstream consumption but I would argue that server, community or otherwise, is too generic for this case. Sometimes it may just make for sense to educate than simplify.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 12:02:22 JST Chris Trottier

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     Also, I’m now referring to instances as “community servers”.

     Admins and devs might prefer “instances”, but this is confusing to everyone else.

     What people need to know is that they can run their own community on a “server” that they control.

     @playdate @fediversenews @panic

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 12:02:23 JST Chris Trottier

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     This is how I ideally want companies to join the Fediverse: to start their own community servers.

     A community server is something they control and manage.

     A community server is expressly opt-in.

     A community server does not stress volunteer admins.

     @playdate @fediversenews @panic

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     Aswath Rao (aswath@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 12:02:53 JST Aswath Rao

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     @Stark9837 @jeffZA @obale @fediversenews @panic
     You will notice that posts are nested and shows in screen upto 3 levels. Need to go to another screen for the fourth level. Still it displays posts known by the local server; that means you can miss some of them if your server is not well connected. Probably @cheeaun can confirm it.

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 19:34:14 JST Chris Trottier

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     Personally, I skip for joy whenever there’s a new community server on the Fediverse.

     It shows that both individuals and organizations are willing to take control of their online lives back from Big Social.

     @playdate @fediversenews @panic

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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 19:34:14 JST Chris Trottier

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     Earlier today, the CEO of Pinterest compared Big Social to Big Tobacco—and he’s 100% right!

     Why is this?

     Because of how Big Social uses relevancy algorithms and A.I. to addict us to their platforms.

     Collectively, we need to break that addiction. And to do that, we need to break Big Social’s control over our online lives.

     @playdate @fediversenews @panic

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     Tattooed_Mummy (tattooed_mummy@wandering.shop)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 19:34:14 JST Tattooed_Mummy

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     @atomicpoet @playdate @fediversenews @panic Pinterest?! The site I stopped using first out of all the sites, because of its bonkers algorithm, weird rules and millions of adverts?? ha ha ha ha

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     stark@techhub:~$ █ (stark9837@techhub.social)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 19:34:44 JST stark@techhub:~$ █

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     @Tattooed_mummy @atomicpoet @playdate @fediversenews @panic

     #Pintrest is just one of those weird phenomenons. No one I know actually has an account, but when you need an idea for something, you go and check Pintrest. Whether it is ideas for a wedding dress, tree house, pottery, or cool desk setups. Whatever, Pintrest has it.

     Pintrest also dominates #google searches when it comes to images, but I actually saw statistics the other day that Pintrest actually isn't one of the biggest click generators.

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     eviloatmeal, resident Death Stranding 2 apologist (arch, btw) (eviloatmeal@ak.angelstrapped.com)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 19:34:44 JST eviloatmeal, resident Death Stranding 2 apologist (arch, btw)

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     @Stark9837 @Tattooed_mummy @atomicpoet @playdate @fediversenews @panic Pinterest, to me, is like one of those "hot singles in your area" ads, where it hides among the things you want to click, and if you accidentally do, the specific thing in the ad is nowhere to be found.
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 19:38:28 JST clacke

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     • Jupiter Rowland
     @jupiter_rowland The community are the people that hang on the server.
     
     If it's a "community server", I'd interpret that as a server run explicitly by or for a community. Like, a general purpose server probably doesn't qualify.
     
     I think the Friendica terminology might be a bit presumptious.
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     Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 19:38:35 JST Jupiter Rowland

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     There you have it, everyone: The term "community" is already widely being used by #Friendica and has been for longer than Mastodon has been around.
     
     On the other hand, #Streams does use the term "community" for instances in the sense of instances connected to one particular instance based on Streams, for example, here. "Community type" refers to the project as which an instance identifies itself.
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 19:38:36 JST clacke

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     • Jupiter Rowland
     @jupiter_rowland The default community page on Friendica is the local community, same as the local timeline on Mastodon.
     
     If you switch to the global community page you get the equivalent of the federated timeline.
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     Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 19:38:41 JST Jupiter Rowland

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     1. Correct. Just because Mastodon doesn't use a term, doesn't mean the Fediverse as a whole doesn't use it yet. For example, the community page on Friendica is pretty much the same as the federated timeline on Mastodon. And you cannot force a 13-year-old project (Friendica is older than Diaspora*, not to mention Mastodon) to change its lingo so you can re-define a word previously used by it.
     
     2. The danger here is that most people only know the term "server" from Discord where a "server" is a glorified chatroom which resides on the same actual server as all the other ones. That's their definition. If you talk to them about, for example, your own Akkoma server, you might mean a dedicated piece of hardware, maybe a machine running at your home. They, however, are likely to believe you refer to a chatroom or community which you've created on a centralised online service.
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     Chris Trottier (atomicpoet@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 19:38:42 JST Chris Trottier

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     @dave Two reasons:

     1. “Community” can also refer to groups, which is something that exists on the Fediverse. See also: @fediversenews

     2. “Servers” have already become part of popular lingo, and it’s something used with something like Discord. More people know what a server is than an instance.

     Also, I’m starting a fully-managed hosting service with @reiver called #SpaceHost—our customers need to know that these are servers.

     @playdate @panic.com@panic@panic.com

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     Dave (dave@dbcohen.rocks)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 19:38:49 JST Dave

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     @atomicpoet @playdate @fediversenews @panic why not just shorten to community as “server” is still highly technical.

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     Patrick V. ???? (patrick@sea-mstdn.social)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 19:42:26 JST Patrick V. ????

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     @antonioyon @atomicpoet @playdate @fediversenews @panic yeah, I get that, but you’d still have to explain the word “instance”. It’s not part of common vocabulary. Techies all understand it. The general public does not.

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 19:42:26 JST clacke

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     @patrick @atomicpoet @antonioyon @playdate @panic It's pretty clear that the general public doesn't take their mind to the right place when.they hear the word "instance".
     
     Early Mastodon adopters and older Fedis found it more obvious because we have above-average infection levels of object-oriented programming brain worms.
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     Patrick V. ???? (patrick@sea-mstdn.social)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 19:42:27 JST Patrick V. ????

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     @antonioyon @atomicpoet @playdate @fediversenews @panic you’d have to get into the whole class vs instance debate. The broad public just does not understand that, neither do they care, neither should they care.
     Personally speaking, I’m not too hot on “community server” because I find it a little generic and non-descriptive, but tbh: I don’t have a better suggestion…

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     Antonio Yon (antonioyon@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 19:42:27 JST Antonio Yon

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     @patrick @atomicpoet @playdate @fediversenews @panic I don’t even think it has to be that technical. Merriam-Webster defines instance as “a step, stage, or situation viewed as part of a process or series of events.” It implies that it’s one part of a greater series of something. Participating on an instance of Mastodon implies certain expectations such as federation, open platform, and yes, community standards.

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     Kevin Davidson (metalsamurai@mas.to)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 19:45:19 JST Kevin Davidson

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     @Stark9837 @obale @fediversenews Either we make up new words, which sometimes goes well and people catch on quickly, but often causes confusion. Or we reuse existing ones and deal with the baggage and people’s (wrong) expectations.
     Now is probably the time to decide on language with early adopters, but we may end up with another toot/post split. Anarchy. It’s cat herding. Or followers of the holy gourd vs holy sandal.

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     stark@techhub:~$ █ (stark9837@techhub.social)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 19:45:20 JST stark@techhub:~$ █

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     @MetalSamurai @obale @fediversenews

     A neighborhood is an area, and a #community is a group of people. My neighborhood has a zip code, but I don't speak to everyone in the neighborhood, but I speak to my local community on the block.

     An instance that is very big is a neighborhood. Smaller communities will always exist within. I only follow a few 100 people on my 75000 user #instance.

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     Alex Oberhauser (obale@social.oberhauser.space)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 19:45:21 JST Alex Oberhauser

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     @maegul @AlisonW @aswath @fediversenews @panic That is true. The question is if it conveys the fact that communities are not isolated and no matter what community server you originally join you can communicate and interact with all other ones. At least as long as they are not blocked.

     Languages are always ambiguous, so there may be clarification need no matter how we are calling things. Once a term catches on and people are comfortable with it in this context that wouldn’t be a problem anymore.

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     Kevin Davidson (metalsamurai@mas.to)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 19:45:21 JST Kevin Davidson

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     @obale @fediversenews
     Geocities used the word “neighbourhood”, but that’s not quite right either and probably triggers negative reactions from anyone who’s encountered their neighbours on Nextdoor.
     “Community” could be either like a commune or a gated community. Both are possible in an anarchic Fediverse.

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     maegul (maegul@mas.to)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 19:45:22 JST maegul

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     @obale @AlisonW @aswath @fediversenews @panic Not sure I agree. Lurking, then commenting on then joining various forums on the internet such as subreddits, forums, Discourse, Discord servers etc is pretty common on the internet.

     Unless an instance were clearly for a real-life institution like a company, I feel like any “community” would easily feel inviting and something anyone can join or connect with.

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     Alex Oberhauser (obale@social.oberhauser.space)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 19:45:23 JST Alex Oberhauser

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     @AlisonW @aswath @fediversenews @panic That is actually a very interesting perspective and thinking about it I tend to agree. It may give the same impression and confuse the situation more.

     New users are missing the context and may misinterpret the meaning.

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     AlisonW ♿🏳️‍🌈 (alisonw@fedimon.uk)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 19:45:24 JST AlisonW ♿🏳️‍🌈

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     @obale @aswath @fediversenews @panic
     Saying "community" server though sortof suggests that it is restricted to that organisation's community. It makes it separate from the wider federation rather than making it an integrated part - an 'instance' - of the network.

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 19:54:37 JST clacke

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     Calling @Chartodon is a workaround for complicated threads!
     
     @aswath @cheeaun @jeffZA @Stark9837 @obale @panic
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 20:01:45 JST clacke

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     There's also
     
     Calling @Chartodon LR
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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 21:16:15 JST clacke

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     @Stark9837 That's why it's a workaround. It would indeed be nice with good thread support in applications.
     
     @aswath @cheeaun @Chartodon @jeffZA @obale @panic
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     stark@techhub:~$ █ (stark9837@techhub.social)'s status on Saturday, 25-Feb-2023 21:16:16 JST stark@techhub:~$ █

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     @clacke @aswath @cheeaun @Chartodon @jeffZA @obale @panic

     #Mastodon #clients and #apps should support nested comments and replies. The chart is nice and all, but then what? I need to close the image and go reply to something?

     I want to know where I am in a conversation when I am using an #app.