Notices by Steve Bate (steve@social.technoetic.com), page 5

@evan Just curious, why did AP restrict the AS2 OrderedCollection to be *only* reverse chrono? The AS2 type seems more useful since collections might be ordered by priority, popularity, alphabetically or whatever.

@evan I've also been wondering about the feasibility of having multiple inboxes with filtered OrderedCollections (just brainstorming). The OrderedCollection subtype would include the filtering criteria that a sender could use to select the proper inbox. This seems like it would be spec-compliant since inbox is not a functional property.

@evan I was thinking about it from the perspective of creating a generic test suite and being able to automatically determine the subtype. With an OWL ontology, I could do that, but a JSON-LD context isn't enough to know the type relationships. However, I can imagine that someone might extend the AP OrderedCollection to include the sort criteria, for example. It's reverse chrono, but the key is not specified (receive time?, send time?, authors birthday? ;-)).

@tchambers @wigbert @smallcircles XWiki and MediaWiki aren't the same software, right? https://www.wikimatrix.org/compare/mediawiki+xwiki

@tchambers @smallcircles Got it. FWIW, I tried doing a Docker install of XWiki with the #ActivityPub extension and have run into several bugs that prevent Mastodon from being able to follow my XWiki user. They use a nonstandard webfinger endpoint, but I worked around that. Another AP extension issue seems to be related to my reverse proxy. The JSON-LD actor data is missing the security context and mixes public and LAN domains in the URLs.

@freeschool @TryshHQ @atomicpoet @timbray RE: Google captures and indexes Fediverse content.

Try a Google search for "freeschool@qoto.org" (with the quotes). I see posts/replies to and from your account going back to at least June 2022. AFAICT, your profile itself isn't indexed (mine is). I don't know the quality/speed of the crawling and indexing, but I've seen new posts indexed within a few days.

@freeschool @TryshHQ @atomicpoet @timbray AFAIK, I have all Mastodon instance-level discoverability options disabled. I don't think confirming followers will make a difference on this topic. Even robots.txt won't help. Google will still index your Fediverse content when it appears in the timelines of other sites that have discoverability enabled and have a more liberal robots.txt policy.

@TryshHQ @atomicpoet @timbray It seems to me that it has already happened. Google captures and indexes Fediverse content (at least Mastodon) to support its advertising business.

@benpate @fediversenews @Stark9837 There’s a Wikipedia page that compares various distributed social media protocols (some federated, some not). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_software_and_protocols_for_distributed_social_networking

@Stark9837 @fediversenews There’s not a precise definition. I think it’s mostly a buzzword. *My* personal definition of the #fediverse includes more than applications using the #activitypub protocol. Federation, to me, implies decentralized applications that are *autonomous and locally controlled*. Web-scale applications like Twitter (for example) are physically decentralized, but not federated since all the servers are controlled by one company.