Notices by Quinn Norton (quinn@social.circl.lu), page 3

@MishaVanMollusq @cstross I told my partner that I'm good with staying in Europe with him for life, unless I need to go back and help build the nation or nations of the west coast.

@JeffreySmith @cstross yeah there's definitely going to be tiny defectors all over for the next years. there were already in the last trump admin, and they screamed and hollered about it, but they couldn't replace people with competent actors, and didn't get to do a lot of things. this heritage plan is all about loyalists and not about keeping the lights on, so we'll see how that goes.

@cstross i don't like the surveillance state, but if you lean on it too hard in a circumstance lack the one you're proposing, it stops being helpful because they want you to see what they're planning to do to you, mr thiel.

@drwho @cstross nah. they do that twice and they'll start to get hungry as their own logistics stop working.

@Nalyd620 @cstross especially with wanting to take women out of combat roles, restrict various forms of healthcare, etc. i come from a mil family, though no one in my generation served. i almost went to the navy, but was always destined to be bounced for health reasons. it was always diverse, in race, ideology, class, etc, at least since vietnam. it's going to be interesting times.

@cstross
I do not want it to go this way. But it could. The US was always destined to end in a coup and break apart, a standing army that big... gets used one day, as institutions and resources fall apart.

I just always though it would be right wing. Now I'm not so sure, and I don't like where it's going.

@cstross One of the interesting wrinkles is that I don't think the Right Wing can trust the military to deploy domestically, and they know that. They're also planning to start stripping it down, and rolling back reforms that have helped recruiting and retention. If they don't watch it, they're just training a portion of their violent opposition.

@paddyduke @futurebird I don't think you understood my post, because nothing you're saying makes sense to me. not in a confrontational way but in a you thought i was talking about something else kind of way

@cstross yes and no. American states and even localities have successfully told the feds to fuck off. the most recent high profiles cases of this were gay marriage and marijuana. but... there's been a lot of you and whose army moments, and the feds usually back down. it's complicated.

@futurebird The American problem is laissez faire plantation capitalism. Other forms can be fairly effective counter balances to centralized governmental power, and restrained by regulations and culture. America, on the other has been trying to figure out how to defeat the 13th amendment since it past and balked at any democratic restraints on money.

@jeffjarvis They can't, their boss is concerned about AWS contracts with the new administration.

@JeremyMcGee I mean the history of the catholic church and the reformation definitely supports you here. i think there's something in it in the human desire to feel safe. grabbing power and not letting people express themselves keeps institutions safe, and we like that comfort. figuring out how to engage with that desire in a prosocial way... we do it sometimes, we should do it more.

@MichaelWest i mean, not Bush? 😂

@canadianglen I do still have hope, in fact I do believe we'll end up in a better place, just as we did after the bronze age collapse, the 30 years war, and the world wars. but man, getting there.

@conniptions I kind of think this is a cross political spectrum problem, and that problems come back to American style capitalism and its domination of culture, but that's... a very long essay.

@canadianglen wait i was hoping it wouldn't be that depressing 😂

@w7voa Oh! 😭

@maya_b Yeeaahhhh it's bad

@Mannanan I wish they'd start getting real about building housing. It's not just the US elections, they're also a climate refugium.

@alexander wait a sec, are you English? And talking about ...displacing people? You're going to have to fight that out with the French and Dutch, the Americans are barely in the running.