@joey@killyourfm@neil I could break out wireshark to verify, but "won't collect your data in a way we could profit from" and "won't collect your data" are very, very different things.
@AWolfInCheapClothing@liztai I think that's probably right, but Western table manners are weird anyway. And they do involve a certain amount of challenge, yes.
The "proper" way to eat soup is to sit straight up and bring the spoon to your mouth (without spilling anything!). And then you don't put the spoon in your mouth, but sip the soup (noiselessly!), from it's side (!), not the front. Again, without spilling.
It's about the most difficult way you can use a spoon .
@AWolfInCheapClothing@liztai I guess the reasoning is that if you're not capable of mastering this kind of challenge, you're not worthy of greater things.
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@zdl If you give me a lever to fix the financial system, I will.
Instead, I have a lever to help those people screwed over by the financial system: keep using cash.
Hereabouts, cash is the *preferred* payment method for small businesses, for what it's worth. It seems that the risk of criminal action is not as high here as the cost cashless payment systems incur.
Am I telling you to fix your crime rate? Because it seems that is the problem, not the fact cash exists.
@zdl@catileptic And yet you argue that it's crime that makes cash a problem, when I'm telling you that hereabouts, it doesn't.
So maybe where the problem lies is not as clear cut as you would like it to be.
Which brings me back to my main argument: even if the long term goal may be to fix the financial system here, that does not help folk in the short term. Cash does.
@zdl First of all, you will note that I did not claim stealing cash doesn't exist. Very specifically I stated that hereabouts the burden of accepting cash payments seems to be lower on businesses than the burden of cashless payments. In fact, for anything below ca. EUR 20, many businesses flat-out refuse cash-free payments. Hence, your claim that cash theft makes handling cash too problematic is not substantiated here.
@zdl Second, if we want to have a conversation based in personal anecdotes, I've had *way* more money stolen from me by businesses, including banks, simply because cashless payments allow them to act on funds that aren't strictly speaking theirs. In one case, a bank just lost me a few grand, which caused me follow-on costs that they didn't reimburse.
You're right that the financial system is bonkers and needs fixing. You'll note as well that I keep telling you I agree with that.
@zdl@catileptic ... Vimes' Boot Theory (from Pratchett) in real life: trivial for the sufficiently privileged, and yet another unnecessary hurdle for those who are not.
The worst part IMHO is that the hurdle of "sufficient privilege" here is so low, it really only hits those folk hard who already have next to nothing, so it becomes largely invisible to the majority of folk.
I'm very, very adamant that cash *must* stay, even if I don't particularly want to use it most days.
@zdl@catileptic That said, there are definitely alternatives to keeping cash around that would address the same kinds of issues, but those nobody seems to want to talk about.
I mean, I live cash-free for most intents and purposes. But I've had periods of my life where my income wasn't stable - I could always get money, but perhaps not *right now* - and that makes banking surprisingly hard. And without access to the banking system, you're immediately unable to access other things, like a safe place to sleep, etc. (again, this worked out for me always, but with significant effort).
@zdl@catileptic I'm not forcing anyone. You can keep paying cash-free. I'm not arguing that you shouldn't be able to. I'm saying people should be able to pay with cash.
@zdl@catileptic The problems are not related to cash or lack thereof, but they exist the same everywhere. Changing the system around it is a noble goal, but so far off that saving cash is a necessary intermediate step.
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