Notices by MJ (jotaemei@social.coop)

@simon_brooke I do not know much about language construction. So, I am just thinking this through via reasoning.

It seems to me that perhaps the only reason that one would want to replicate the constructions and inconsistencies of Common Lisp would be if they expect that a large part of the people that will be using their system come mostly from the Common Lisp world, and that the language creator wishes to make the transition for users of their system to be as seamless as possible for Common Lisp coders.

But if that is not the case, then I think it would make sense to try to create a system so that forms are as predictable and intuitive and consistent in their functioning as possible.

I think that avoiding assorted gotchas for eventual users is what language creators should aim for.

Remembering piecewise behavior (ex., in this situation, it works this way, but in that, however …) is unnecessary mental overhead, IMO.

@simon_brooke I feel like most understand that Common Lisp is the result of various committees introducing this and then that, and that it can be looked at with many lessons learned about adding features and committees. I am not aware of anyone saying that its various/inconsistent ways of doing things should be considered the standard or preferable way. But that people can just write code anyway to get around CL's strange or unintuitive aspects.

My experience is mostly knowing of people saying how powerful it is (yes, agreed!) in comparison to say Scheme, and _its_ tendency to have people write yet additional implementations for it rather than decide on one implementation to write libraries for.

I am curious now to know what is a more mainstream idea of what a Lisp should be. I only really see people hung up on Clojure's square brackets and poking fun at Scheme advocates bragging about having such a small spec and yet needing to re-create the wheels by getting more SRFIs accepted. ;)

@cwebber Oh. I watched some of an interview with you, I think last year, and in which you were speaking about living in Europe and trying it out.

Is Canada a better option?

Blessings.

The 2025 Sociocracy Conference - hosted by the US’ Sociocracy for All - will be held online on Thursday, April 24, and one of the presenters will be Social.Coop member @edumerco

https://www.sociocracyforall.org/sociocracy-conference-2025/

@cwebber It’s OK to source and recommend explainers by centrists. We should not be afraid that anyone who sees leftism firstmost as an identity will sneer at us in judgement. I have been there though. :|

@mattl H i Matt. Peace. I believe we met many years ago when you were representing the FSF at a free software event. It would have been in Porto Alegre in Brazil in maybe 2006 or in Boston a few years later.

I am not employed in tech anymore nor able to hire, but it would still be good to hear how you have been and what web component work you’ve done. Blessings.

Sou só eu que acho a palavra _fajuto_ engraçada?

@wag Essa conta de Ken Cheng faz piadas, cara...

@DeBMC Hoje em dia, pouca gente ainda fala dele, mas Eric Raymond é um cara principal do movimento para código aberto e um tipo de acquivista do mundo hackeador no sentido de programador em vez de criminoso. O cara é libertário e não gosta da esquerda.
E o cara que faz o canal de YouTube /DistroTube/ sobre o Linux é trumpista. Só isso.

@DeBMC Espero que ninguém fale isso para Eric Raymond e o cara que faz o canal de YouTube /DistroTube/.

@ntnsndr Thank you, Nathan!!

Hi all. I'm creating a wiki of public policies for the enabling and support of worker cooperatives and would like to adopt the evergreen tree logo that we have for social.coop (https://social-coop-media.ams3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/accounts/avatars/000/050/248/original/b6f1174b16408327.png) but could not find anything in our online resources about licenses.

Does anyone know where the original one comes from/who made it?

Thank you and blessings.
cc: @admin @Matt_Noyes @ntnsndr

@strypey if, if, could, could, could, if, if

The Nazis people wanted off of SubStack were explicitly advocating for their supremacist agenda. It’s not comparable to what the Israeli state does and to have some Israeli posters who may or may not agree with the actions of the Israeli government there, particularly when “pro-Israel” can so heavily vary. Israelis are a non-monolithic population. Nazis subscribe to an ideological cause. This is a massive category error.

@strypey And its fallacious to characterize it as suppressing people’s speech on the Internet to remove someone from a private platform for the content they promote. Do you think it’s speech repression to boot a user for TOS conduct violations?

@inthehands Yeah, the search results seem to net just about as bad as Google’s except for one test. https://danluu.com/seo-spam/

@ntnsndr Yes, I expect as much from our rules and moderation team, but I was thinking still about how even quote boosted posts could be triggering for some members, and if we should have some guidelines for those cases. @3wordchant @flancian

@3wordchant What do we gain in safety by defederating that we wouldn’t gain by limiting?

If we limit, then we will not see any Threads posts in the federated TL. If SC users decide to follow individual Threads accounts and boost any toxic bigotry into local, they’ll be in violation of our own internal codes of behavior and will be dealt with.

This does raise a new Q though. Are we in violation of rules if we quote boost something in order to critique it? Are CWs sufficient?
@ntnsndr @flancian

@ntnsndr It will be interesting to hear how this works.

@ntnsndr Will you be adopting a model in which you’ll be able to assess their thought processes and work, which will be showcased through the AI?

@emi I think there was some talk a while back about federating Loomio threads on Mastodon, but I guess it was forgotten. We should do it though!