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   Nathan Schneider (ntnsndr@social.coop)'s status on Saturday, 23-Dec-2023 08:58:51 JST Nathan Schneider

   I think I'm done with banning AI in student work.

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     Josh Davis (guerillaontologist@social.coop)'s status on Saturday, 23-Dec-2023 12:27:42 JST Josh Davis

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     @ntnsndr So your students don't need to do their own writing anymore?

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     MJ (jotaemei@social.coop)'s status on Saturday, 23-Dec-2023 13:43:48 JST MJ

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     @ntnsndr Will you be adopting a model in which you’ll be able to assess their thought processes and work, which will be showcased through the AI?

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     christina b (christina@social.coop)'s status on Sunday, 24-Dec-2023 01:07:53 JST christina b

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     • Douglas Rushkoff

     @ntnsndr I would be interested to hear you and @Rushkoff discuss student use of AI 🤖 #TeamHumanShow

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     Nathan Schneider (ntnsndr@social.coop)'s status on Sunday, 24-Dec-2023 01:13:17 JST Nathan Schneider

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     • Josh Davis

     @GuerillaOntologist they would still have to fulfill the goals of a writing assignment. In my experience I can't get AI to write well for me, but if they can, and it fulfills the assignment, maybe that is okay.

     Anything is better than the amount of time I have to spend policing it and dealing with terrible AI checkers.

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     Nathan Schneider (ntnsndr@social.coop)'s status on Sunday, 24-Dec-2023 01:14:30 JST Nathan Schneider

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     • MJ

     @jotaemei perhaps it is enough if they can produce the prompts and edits that result in work strong enough to fulfill the assignment.

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     MJ (jotaemei@social.coop)'s status on Sunday, 24-Dec-2023 01:19:41 JST MJ

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     @ntnsndr It will be interesting to hear how this works.

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     Josh Davis (guerillaontologist@social.coop)'s status on Sunday, 24-Dec-2023 01:23:46 JST Josh Davis

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     @ntnsndr Don't you think that begs the question of what higher ed is even for? If you can graduate without having to write anything longer than a ChapGPT prompt, well...we're doomed. And do you really want to be reading a bunch of AI generated text and then grading the student on how well the AI wrote? Again, what is the point of a university if it's just students using AI to write papers (perhaps followed by profs using AI to grade them)?

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     Nathan Schneider (ntnsndr@social.coop)'s status on Sunday, 24-Dec-2023 01:57:18 JST Nathan Schneider

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     • Josh Davis

     @GuerillaOntologist it does beg the question, certainly. Though the question was already begged. And allowing AI then forces me to ensure my assignments are good enough that they require real human work, not rote busywork.

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     Luke O. (loppear@social.coop)'s status on Sunday, 24-Dec-2023 02:53:24 JST Luke O.

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     • Josh Davis

     @ntnsndr @GuerillaOntologist aye, my family has resolved this for now in turning away from the policing penalizing effort and to rethinking assignments purpose to higher ed and student participation (more focus on in class response time, say). The long form paper has been 'begged' for a long time with various student workarounds - even while I see the point that it consolidated a lot of critical thinking to a common form, it's not all. Cate Denial as much to add to thinking this through.

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     Josh Davis (guerillaontologist@social.coop)'s status on Sunday, 24-Dec-2023 02:58:39 JST Josh Davis

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     @ntnsndr fair enough...and boy oh boy do I not envy you having to try to navigate this stuff...

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     Nathan Schneider (ntnsndr@social.coop)'s status on Sunday, 24-Dec-2023 07:38:59 JST Nathan Schneider

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     • Josh Davis

     @GuerillaOntologist That's why I appreciate conversation partners!

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     Joel (joelmoltbe@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2024 01:07:53 JST Joel

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     @ntnsndr I've read all your comments. And I think it could be complemented by a face to face summarize of what they've came out with. Showing they can understand it.
     But also very interesting point from Nathan that if they could create the prompts and edits to work it out, could be a fair enough sing.

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     Nathan Schneider (ntnsndr@social.coop)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Jan-2024 01:07:53 JST Nathan Schneider

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     • Joel

     @JoelMoltBe Thanks! Since this is a 200-person class, 1-on-1 with each person would be a logistical challenge, but it's possible!