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Exile (exile@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 04:03:35 JST 
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@SuperLutheran The fact the arguments were made before doesn't mean they were settled. Obviously they weren't, here we are having them.
I don't think your approach settles anything and you don't agree with mine either. That's where the prior debate was left - entirely unresolved, some persuaded, some not, some rejecting the whole dispute as nonsense.
None of the mythological salients like YEC are central to anyone's beliefs and values with the exception of spergy extreme outliers. Those beliefs are adornments.
I think most everything in terms of events and the general spirt of what was said in the Gospels is reliable.
The vast majority of things that have riven the Church haven't been about whether Christ really owned the rabbis at a tender age, tore up the Temple, faced death without fear or rose from the dead.
They've been over things like Trinitarian filoques and other allegedly metaphysical vehicles for factional disputes in church politics. And those disputes cost lives, not just friendships.
Only because modern men don't take religion seriously has that element softened (and unlike fedoras, I don't consider that progress).
I want religion to be serious but have some metaphysical humility and honesty as to what we know (you have an eternal soul and are part of a greater pattern you can only barely grasp at this stage) and what we're strongly inferring vs. simply guessing or asserting. -
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Exile (exile@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 04:03:34 JST
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@SuperLutheran No and no. I think Christ manifested after death, maybe even in a form Thomas and others believed they touched. But simply got back up in the same body and walked out, no.
As for the Trinity, absolutely not, without qualifications. Trying to apply neat categories of father, son and spirit to your god is the height of metaphysical presumption and ignorance.
Neither of these beliefs are central to Christ's incarnation, his continuing existence as a god as we speak, or the fact that he, not Yahweh, is your god. -
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Exile (exile@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 04:03:33 JST
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@SuperLutheran 70%? Really? Treating these details the core of your faith is the problem.
You're misusing them the same way all of the Nicene sophists did with their debates - as a loyalty test for which mortal side you are on.
I've always believed that Christ's willingness to suffer and die in a man's body for man's sins (and show them a better way to live) was central to Christianity. -
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Exile (exile@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 03:46:57 JST
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"That old time religion b/c we say so" was no defense against modernity two centuries ago and it's not one now.
"Deus vult" hasn't really worked since the Enlightenment and by the time Nietzsche declared god dead, it was certainly a spent argument.
Christians need to take on modernity, honestly address the challenges, resist the subversive elements and push back on the oppression.
To do that, they need pastors and priests and preachers who are willing to do the hard and never-ending work of discernment and teaching. Every day - taking the world as it is.
Simply saying "read the Book" or "here's what the Book says" isn't enough.
It's lazy and it's exactly what Jung talked about with his father the pastor - a man whose faith was grounded in words and study who had never had a mystical experience in his life. All brain, little heart, no soul.
Destroying the unbelievers with facts and logic isn't enough - setting aside the fact that what you're labeling as facts and logic are really preferences and interpretations.
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Exile (exile@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 03:46:56 JST
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@SuperLutheran Saying the Earth is 6000 years old does not lead to victory.
The guy I'm replying to said "the Book is Christ, Christ is the Book." Sounds exclusive - unless you're using a bespoke definition of Book, which he no doubt would.
I have honestly met dozens of pastors who are lazy in that way and many others.
The institutional church did not reach the nadir it's at right now with a full staff of good pastors on hand. Be real. -
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Exile (exile@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 03:46:55 JST
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@SuperLutheran I've done some work for the institutional churches. Most of those guys I've met have been more businessman than pastor. And I've attended a few dozen churches traveling in the last few years. I make it a point to meet the pastors if I can and talk with them a bit - I'm a guy who's maybe looking to move, tell me about the church, etc.... No one impressed me much.
You said you were concerned that doctrinal compromise on Virgin Birth was leading to the present awful state (I assume you mean sexual degeneracy and familial collapse).
I'm saying that people don't rely on these faery-castle theological constructs and that pastors neither have to or should.
There are plenty of meatspace reasons not to be a degenerate - and everything in your heart and soul militates against it, if you just stop to listen. That's Christ (or Odin or Buddha). Preach that - but first live it. Be able to look them in the eye and inspire them with authenticity.
Modern people will not accept mythology as an actual, literal happening. Trying to convince them to take their own side based on what they're going to process as faery tales is the wrong approach.
As is dragging us through sectarianism over which Jews were good Jews when, how many times to cross yourself or what words must be used in prayer. -
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Exile (exile@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 18-Aug-2022 04:33:18 JST
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@HighChiefVercingetorix @Shadowman311 @graf @ColdOnesLite Exactly. Torba's bait - the whole Jan 6 vibe of that site creeps me out and it's rage-fuel to see so many White people gobbling up that slop. -
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Exile (exile@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 18-Aug-2022 04:33:09 JST
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@Shadowman311 @graf @ColdOnesLite I trust Poast to stand on the spirit as well as the letter of the law re: privacy and fed-fuckery.
The feds are teeing up some easy home runs for constitutional challenges and the failure of guys like Torba to even swing should subject them to civil liability from the user side.
Even if the black-letter law says "dox required," any provider can stand on muh Constitution. Make the feds argue that the magic paper is fake and gay and make SCROTUS eat that shit sandwich publicly. -
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Exile (exile@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Aug-2022 07:54:45 JST
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@Nou @WhiteDissidentRadio @LorgarAurelian1488 @convictedracist @Godcast @JSDorn @mkultra This kind of overreaching argument for the sake of going hard is what drives people nuts.
Christians are not going to do the hard work necessary to purge their church of muds and globohomo if they are allowed to swaddle themselves in a manger of comfy copes like "we are the hardest anti-Semites ever." Admit the fucking problem and tackle it.
I support the effort but I don't support baldly dishonest copes and outright lies.
Denial is what Moses should have been drowned in, as deep as this argument is drowning in it. -
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Exile (exile@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Aug-2022 07:54:45 JST
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@Nou @WhiteDissidentRadio @LorgarAurelian1488 @convictedracist @Godcast @JSDorn @mkultra White Nationalist atheists don't put their religion before race.
Atheism doesn't make demands that run counter to racism in any way. It's irrelevant to race.
Atheistic NatSocs (a fairly large subset of NatSocs) were racist AF and had no need to reconcile that with their atheism. -
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Exile (exile@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Aug-2022 07:54:43 JST
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@Nou @WhiteDissidentRadio @LorgarAurelian1488 @convictedracist @Godcast @JSDorn @mkultra Help us help you. FFS, I've cited the racist Southern Baptists of only 60 years ago who could breeze through shit tests on niggers and Jews without breaking a sweat. Why is it so damned hard to get avowed online racist Christians to follow that example? -
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Exile (exile@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Aug-2022 07:54:43 JST
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@Nou @WhiteDissidentRadio @LorgarAurelian1488 @convictedracist @Godcast @JSDorn @mkultra You may as well be sticking your fingers in your ears, closing your eyes and screaming UR RETARDS at us.
At best you're using a bespoke set of definitions and copes that is rendering you unable to meaningfully engage with people outside your choir. -
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Exile (exile@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 02:06:25 JST
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@JSDorn @Insomnolant @MechaSilvio @Sprayfoam_Sal @lichelordgodfrey @sickburnbro I hope I've been clear enough on the point that there is nothing about anti-Semitism, racism, 3P/fascism or Christianity that renders any of them incompatible.
It just takes leaders willing to lead and teach the right doctrines - no distortions or bad faith, retcons etc... required. -
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Exile (exile@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 01:00:43 JST
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@Sprayfoam_Sal @MechaSilvio @Insomnolant @JSDorn @lichelordgodfrey @sickburnbro We all agree that "Christian Nationalism" isn't a viable thing.
If guys are going to split with TRS/NJP over Christianity, are they going to do their politics through their churches or organize something separate that's expressly political - for Whites who are Christian, e.g. "White Christian Nationalism?"
Whatever happens, it would be nice to see everyone try to stay in their own lanes. We don't all have to travel to the same destination by exactly the same road for exactly the same reasons. -
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Exile (exile@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 01:00:42 JST
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@Sprayfoam_Sal @Insomnolant @JSDorn @MechaSilvio @lichelordgodfrey @sickburnbro A promise made in that context is a pretty weak assurance given the tasks ahead. The non-Christians aren't going to be bullied either - Godcast doesn't seem to have any honey on hand, just vinegar.
This is what I'm saying the WCN's have to work on. -
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Exile (exile@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 01:00:42 JST
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@Sprayfoam_Sal @Insomnolant @JSDorn @MechaSilvio @lichelordgodfrey @sickburnbro I doubt that faggot in Idaho is a paid shill - I think he's a cautionary example of sincerely subverted Christianity. But fuck that guy - I'm talking about Our Guys.
I raised the issue months ago on BANG with Myles about the "Christian or WN first" thing re: are non-Christians going to hell, therefore metaphysical niggers to whom no lasting loyalty might be owed? The answers were less than satisfying, basically "betrayal is a sin therefore we would not turn our backs on non-Christians."
Authentically WN Christians need to work this shit out on their own. They're not going to accept outside influence, friendly or bullying. I wish them well and hope they make the right decisions.
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