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JSDorn ?? (jsdorn@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 15-Aug-2022 23:13:27 JST JSDorn ?? Why do we have to remove YEC from the movement?
I'm trying to find the coherent fault line here that we've all been picking at these last fews days.
Incel versus Sex-Haver
Hobby enthusiast versus anti-hobby enthusiast
Those who believe in YEC versus those who don't.
These are all sitting over the eternal Christian/anti-Christian fault that zigzags all over these other positions.
Is it just that we've grown tired of putting aside daily grievances and petty rivalries? We have no enemies at hand to dig into and so we dig into each other? Our movement is too big perhaps and we need to purge the weirdos? COVID is over and Trump might return so we've got to clamp down on the schizos?
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Gelert (gelert@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 15-Aug-2022 23:13:23 JST Gelert @Nikolai_Brummbar @JSDorn Who are you trying to impress by breaking unity over petty disagreements?
"Oh no, people who hate us will think we're dumb!"
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Đ₳Ɇ₥Ø₦_฿ⱤɄ₥₥฿₳Ɽ (nikolai_brummbar@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 15-Aug-2022 23:13:26 JST Đ₳Ɇ₥Ø₦_฿ⱤɄ₥₥฿₳Ɽ @JSDorn YEC is schizo shit and it makes the movement look profoundly retarded. -
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Jon (insomnolant@wolfgirl.bar)'s status on Monday, 15-Aug-2022 23:13:59 JST Jon @JSDorn It’s definitely about Christianity. Poa.st made a userbase out of TRS people, TRS is going anti-Christian. There’s going to be a struggle session as psychopaths jockey for positions of power in the perception of opportunity.
There’s no movement or happening so don’t worry about it.
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Jon (insomnolant@wolfgirl.bar)'s status on Monday, 15-Aug-2022 23:14:05 JST Jon @lichelordgodfrey @JSDorn From watching it happen in real time. What’s your problem?
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Lichelord Godfrey (lichelordgodfrey@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 15-Aug-2022 23:14:06 JST Lichelord Godfrey @Insomnolant @JSDorn where the fuck are you getting that from? johnbudd1350 likes this. -
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JSDorn ?? (jsdorn@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 15-Aug-2022 23:14:27 JST JSDorn ?? @Insomnolant would be sad for TRS to go the same way as Alex Linder.
I don't want to believe that's where we are, but there's no denying that TRS fault line has been very active lately, at least on poast. -
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Jon (insomnolant@wolfgirl.bar)'s status on Monday, 15-Aug-2022 23:14:27 JST Jon @JSDorn There are things that are not mine to disclose, so I won’t. But the writing’s been on the wall for a long time now. I guess most just didn’t have eyes to read it.
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DK (dk_dharmaraj@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 15-Aug-2022 23:39:10 JST DK @JSDorn @Nikolai_Brummbar the sequence of events here was, Lauritz made a poast about how Kevin Smith is big gay, I made an offhand comment about how Dogma was kind of OK back in the day, he remembered a story about how Smith counterprotested the evangelical types who were protesting the movie once, and I (as an American) explained to him (being non-American) some of the cultural context of the late 90s in terms of YEC Zionist GWB voters, and how as awful as the Kevin Smiths of the world are, it's hard to understand how cringe and terrible the late 90s/early 2000s evangelicals were if you weren't around at the time
this prompted the incel defense league, fresh off their "IF YOU LIKE 40K AESTHETICS EVEN SUPERFICIALLY YOU ARE A TRAITOR TO THE WHITE RACE" spergout, to swarm me with "ACKSHUALLY THE EARTH IS ONLY 6000 YEARS OLD AND YOU ARE GOING TO HELL IF YOU THINK OTHERWISE"
so this isn't some kind of arbitrary Mean Girls social exclusion, this is Exhibit A in why people who believe retarded schizo bullshit need to be purged: because people who believe retarded schizo bullshit are, by and large, retarded schizos. -
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yockeypuck (yockeypuck@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 15-Aug-2022 23:39:10 JST yockeypuck @DK_Dharmaraj @JSDorn @Nikolai_Brummbar Defining the belief of 95% of White men over 95% of European history as "retarded schizo shit" is full on liberalism. Caek Islove ? ❤️ likes this. -
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JSDorn ?? (jsdorn@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 15-Aug-2022 23:39:11 JST JSDorn ?? @Nikolai_Brummbar never heard anyone complain about the YEC people making us (White Nationalists) look bad before today.
The swastikas yes, the racism yes, jokes about tying women to radiators yes (they are hilarious)
YEC isn't even really associated with any sort of racialism and is much more of an Evangelical conservative bit.
I was here for the whole COVID arc and let me tell your if YEC makes us look dumb to people outside the movement....
Really seems like a veiled but very selective "optics" debate
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yockeypuck (yockeypuck@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 15-Aug-2022 23:39:18 JST yockeypuck @DK_Dharmaraj @JSDorn @Nikolai_Brummbar Ah so it is specifically the dogma of Bishop Ussher in the 1600s you think is schizo shit, and when I say "I dunno I think God created the Earth in a week thousands of years ago" you'll have no parallax-of-the-Andromeda-Galaxy-based objections. Caek Islove ? ❤️ likes this. -
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DK (dk_dharmaraj@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 15-Aug-2022 23:39:19 JST DK @yockeypuck @JSDorn @Nikolai_Brummbar The 6000 year YEC timeline was invented by Bishop Ussher in the 1600s. It's an modernist anachronism, not something that "95% of White men over 95% of European history" believed -
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Colonel_Bustard (colonel_bustard@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz)'s status on Monday, 15-Aug-2022 23:58:34 JST Colonel_Bustard @JSDorn idk why niggas are dead set on skipping straight to night of the long knives before they even get in power. Bit cart before the horse tbh Caek Islove ? ❤️ likes this. -
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Caek Islove ? ❤️ (caekislove@gleasonator.com)'s status on Monday, 15-Aug-2022 23:59:16 JST Caek Islove ? ❤️ Because it isn't about power, it's about clout. They'd be doing the same thing on Twitter or Instagram if they weren't banned. -
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Samuel-Aliren??❤️? (samuel-aliren@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 00:02:13 JST Samuel-Aliren??❤️? @Insomnolant @lichelordgodfrey @JSDorn They claim that they're not anti-Christian but they repeatedly blaspheme the lord and attack the old testament. Caek Islove ? ❤️ likes this. -
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Lichelord Godfrey (lichelordgodfrey@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 00:02:14 JST Lichelord Godfrey @Insomnolant @JSDorn I thought you were merely autistic and taking issue with jokes and ignorant statements. They've said repeatedly that they are not anti-Christian, they are anti-requiring-people-to-be-Christian to be part of a White Nationalist movement.
Are you suggesting that someone confided to you "the truth" about them, in spite of having practicing Christians as part of the NJP and TRS? -
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Jon (insomnolant@wolfgirl.bar)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 00:02:14 JST Jon @lichelordgodfrey @JSDorn I’ve listened to their show since 2015. This isn’t going to work on me. I’ve noticed how in the post-Trump years they’ve pivoted to an anti-Christian lean in general. If you don’t want to see it, that’s fine. I’m not trying to convince you. Have fun. But you aren’t going to piss on me and tell me it’s raining.
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Jon (insomnolant@wolfgirl.bar)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 00:02:39 JST Jon @Samuel-Aliren @JSDorn @lichelordgodfrey Yeah, I know. This weird gaslighting that they haven’t been doing that is annoying, but to be expected.
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Berlusconi Fever :sonnenrad: (mechasilvio@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 00:32:20 JST Berlusconi Fever :sonnenrad: @Insomnolant @JSDorn @lichelordgodfrey What episode and what did they say. I'm willing to relisten and reassess my opinion -
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Berlusconi Fever :sonnenrad: (mechasilvio@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 00:32:21 JST Berlusconi Fever :sonnenrad: @Insomnolant @lichelordgodfrey @JSDorn What show are you listening to? All I have is "making politics explicitly Christian is not going to work" and dunking on the Fuentes crowd.
Then they did a really positive piece on Father Coughlin and another one about some other priest that inspired Rockwelljohnbudd1350 likes this. -
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Jon (insomnolant@wolfgirl.bar)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 00:32:21 JST Jon @MechaSilvio @JSDorn @lichelordgodfrey The Daily Shoah. I already said that.
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Jon (insomnolant@wolfgirl.bar)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 00:32:22 JST Jon @lichelordgodfrey @JSDorn From listening to the Daily Shoah, obviously.
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Lichelord Godfrey (lichelordgodfrey@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 00:32:23 JST Lichelord Godfrey @Insomnolant @JSDorn watching it where? the fediverse? you said TRS is going "anti-Christian", where are you getting that from? johnbudd1350 likes this. -
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Godcast (the short half) (godcast@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 00:50:59 JST Godcast (the short half) @JSDorn @hanshansenson @Insomnolant @MechaSilvio @Shadowbroker2135 @lichelordgodfrey @null @reloadedAK DK's a confrontational retard who doesn't have the mental horse power to back up anything he says, a thick enough skin to have a blunt conversation, or the humility to engage on any topic in good faith. He's also a total bitch who likes to snipe at his betters from behind the block button. Caek Islove ? ❤️ likes this. -
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JSDorn ?? (jsdorn@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 00:51:00 JST JSDorn ?? @hanshansenson @Shadowbroker2135 @Godcast @Insomnolant @MechaSilvio @lichelordgodfrey @null @reloadedAK yes, I'm not trying to lay the blame solely at DK -
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Hans Hansenson (hanshansenson@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 00:51:03 JST Hans Hansenson @JSDorn @Shadowbroker2135 @Godcast @Insomnolant @MechaSilvio @lichelordgodfrey @null @reloadedAK There's been tension in the air for a long time, I think this DK thing was just the final straw. -
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JSDorn ?? (jsdorn@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 00:51:04 JST JSDorn ?? @Shadowbroker2135 @reloadedAK @Godcast @Insomnolant @MechaSilvio @lichelordgodfrey @null not sure about Bang. No idea what's going on there.
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Shadowbroker:nv::pondering_orb: (shadowbroker2135@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 00:51:09 JST Shadowbroker:nv::pondering_orb: @JSDorn @reloadedAK @Godcast @Insomnolant @MechaSilvio @lichelordgodfrey @null On poast or on bang? -
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JSDorn ?? (jsdorn@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 00:51:10 JST JSDorn ?? @reloadedAK @Godcast @Insomnolant @MechaSilvio @lichelordgodfrey @null I do believe it may have been the fruit of DKs hellthread -
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reloadedAK :ak: (reloadedak@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 00:51:13 JST reloadedAK :ak: @Godcast @null @MechaSilvio @Insomnolant @JSDorn @lichelordgodfrey That had to be EXTREMELY recent. Like in the several days or ao because I see your Narnia episode still on the "All shows" tab -
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Godcast (the short half) (godcast@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 00:51:14 JST Godcast (the short half) @null @MechaSilvio @Insomnolant @JSDorn @lichelordgodfrey We felt like our show and TRS were moving in different directions, so we decided to part ways. -
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Godcast (the short half) (godcast@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 00:51:15 JST Godcast (the short half) @MechaSilvio @Insomnolant @JSDorn @lichelordgodfrey I fielded the emails of TRS's audience saying they're no longer listening to anything on the network or donating specifically because of their antichristian stances the entire time Godcast was on the network. -
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NULL:sneedcat: (null@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 00:51:15 JST NULL:sneedcat: @Godcast @MechaSilvio @Insomnolant @JSDorn @lichelordgodfrey Was? Wait are you not on TRS any more? -
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JSDorn ?? (jsdorn@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 01:00:40 JST JSDorn ?? @Exile @Sprayfoam_Sal @Insomnolant @MechaSilvio @lichelordgodfrey @sickburnbro look, I've made this point before, but the ONLY ONES who would force this contrived trolley problem upon Christian White Nationalists are anti-christians in the movement.
Nobody else is going to force me to choose between allegiance to Christ or allegiance to a temporal political leader.Caek Islove ? ❤️ and johnbudd1350 like this. -
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Exile (exile@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 01:00:42 JST Exile @Sprayfoam_Sal @Insomnolant @JSDorn @MechaSilvio @lichelordgodfrey @sickburnbro I doubt that faggot in Idaho is a paid shill - I think he's a cautionary example of sincerely subverted Christianity. But fuck that guy - I'm talking about Our Guys.
I raised the issue months ago on BANG with Myles about the "Christian or WN first" thing re: are non-Christians going to hell, therefore metaphysical niggers to whom no lasting loyalty might be owed? The answers were less than satisfying, basically "betrayal is a sin therefore we would not turn our backs on non-Christians."
Authentically WN Christians need to work this shit out on their own. They're not going to accept outside influence, friendly or bullying. I wish them well and hope they make the right decisions. -
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Sprayfoam_Sal (sprayfoam_sal@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 01:00:42 JST Sprayfoam_Sal @Exile @Insomnolant @JSDorn @MechaSilvio @lichelordgodfrey @sickburnbro
>Yes you are, but we'll stick by you anyway because otherwise we'd lose the opportunity to make you agree with us before you die. Promise.
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Exile (exile@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 01:00:42 JST Exile @Sprayfoam_Sal @Insomnolant @JSDorn @MechaSilvio @lichelordgodfrey @sickburnbro A promise made in that context is a pretty weak assurance given the tasks ahead. The non-Christians aren't going to be bullied either - Godcast doesn't seem to have any honey on hand, just vinegar.
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Sprayfoam_Sal (sprayfoam_sal@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 01:00:43 JST Sprayfoam_Sal @MechaSilvio @sickburnbro @Insomnolant @lichelordgodfrey @JSDorn The recent harder turn toward "Its really not gonna work for politics" happened after that guy who was leading the christian protestors at the Idaho pride event told his people that if he catches any of them involved with Patriot Front he's calling the cops on them. And then PF got arrested. -
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Exile (exile@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 01:00:43 JST Exile @Sprayfoam_Sal @MechaSilvio @Insomnolant @JSDorn @lichelordgodfrey @sickburnbro We all agree that "Christian Nationalism" isn't a viable thing.
If guys are going to split with TRS/NJP over Christianity, are they going to do their politics through their churches or organize something separate that's expressly political - for Whites who are Christian, e.g. "White Christian Nationalism?"
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Sprayfoam_Sal (sprayfoam_sal@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 01:00:43 JST Sprayfoam_Sal @Exile @MechaSilvio @Insomnolant @JSDorn @lichelordgodfrey @sickburnbro My concern is that we have an example of a group of 2 flavors of nationalists working in parallel toward a common goal (get fags and chomos out of Idaho) and when push came to shove the religious side decided optics were more important than solidarity or even the original goal and threw the ethnic side under the bus.
Hopefully its a one off. Hopefully that guy was just a paid shill and not really up front from the start. Stated priorities being what they are, I'm not so sure.johnbudd1350 likes this. -
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Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 01:00:44 JST Bread up, Bro @MechaSilvio @Insomnolant @lichelordgodfrey @JSDorn Maybe this is one of these "the mirror shows what you want it to" things johnbudd1350 likes this. -
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Berlusconi Fever :sonnenrad: (mechasilvio@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 01:00:44 JST Berlusconi Fever :sonnenrad: @sickburnbro @Insomnolant @lichelordgodfrey @JSDorn This might be it. I haven't perceived a change in editorial line from "it's not gonna work for politics, but zero issues with personal faith" johnbudd1350 likes this. -
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Sapphire ? (sapphire@shortstackran.ch)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 01:18:29 JST Sapphire ? @JSDorn @Exile @MechaSilvio @Sprayfoam_Sal @lichelordgodfrey @sickburnbro @Insomnolant protip: if you’re stuck between two things, when one of them forces you to make a choice you can safely ignore them Caek Islove ? ❤️ likes this. -
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JSDorn ?? (jsdorn@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 01:19:20 JST JSDorn ?? @sapphire @Exile @MechaSilvio @Sprayfoam_Sal @lichelordgodfrey @sickburnbro @Insomnolant like seriously, the whole presupposition is as retarded as demanding I answer whether or not I'd choose my Wife over the "moobment"
Next time somebody seriously throws this at me I'll ask them to prove how dedicated they are by promising to kill their own mothers if need be, just to prove they are dedicated to the movement.Caek Islove ? ❤️ likes this. -
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Sapphire ? (sapphire@shortstackran.ch)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 01:24:17 JST Sapphire ? @JSDorn @Exile @MechaSilvio @Sprayfoam_Sal @lichelordgodfrey @sickburnbro @Insomnolant “someone who is confident in the strength of their position wouldn’t demand these sacrifices of me. If your ‘movement’ was so all-important, the question wouldn’t have to be asked. Instead of asking me, turn that gaze inward and ask yourself why you’ve got so little to offer” Caek Islove ? ❤️ repeated this. -
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Caek Islove ? ❤️ (caekislove@gleasonator.com)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 01:24:17 JST Caek Islove ? ❤️ This is all the "movement" demands from you. Now the decision is yours: Are you White (Basic) or Black (Elite)? -
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johnbudd1350 (johnbudd1350@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 01:36:02 JST johnbudd1350 @sapphire @JSDorn @Exile @MechaSilvio @Sprayfoam_Sal @lichelordgodfrey @sickburnbro @Insomnolant Who is forcing this choice? -
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M. Night Charlemayne (deerblood@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 01:37:43 JST M. Night Charlemayne @Exile @Sprayfoam_Sal @MechaSilvio @Insomnolant @JSDorn @lichelordgodfrey @sickburnbro Christian Nationalism is how my town got full of Haitians johnbudd1350 likes this. -
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LorgarAurelian (lorgaraurelian1488@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 02:06:22 JST LorgarAurelian @JSDorn @Exile @Insomnolant @MechaSilvio @Sprayfoam_Sal @lichelordgodfrey @sickburnbro I mean the Jews are literally controlling the world through a giant supercomputer that trades stonks giving them infinity money and control over every company in the world, meanwhile the vanguard of the white race is arguing about what ruling ideology should be in charge after the kikes are thrown out of power before even coming up with a strategy to do this in the first place. Like we are really hosed. White people need to learn to stick together no matter what like the Jews do or we are finished. johnbudd1350 likes this. -
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LorgarAurelian (lorgaraurelian1488@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 02:06:23 JST LorgarAurelian @JSDorn @Exile @Insomnolant @MechaSilvio @Sprayfoam_Sal @lichelordgodfrey @sickburnbro The main problem with all the infighting is that most of us got here because we love to argue with people, and since we are quarantined with no libtards to bully we are finding other things to argue about. -
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JSDorn ?? (jsdorn@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 02:06:24 JST JSDorn ?? @Exile @Insomnolant @MechaSilvio @Sprayfoam_Sal @lichelordgodfrey @sickburnbro I wasn't saying YOU were one of these kinds of people friend -
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Exile (exile@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Aug-2022 02:06:25 JST Exile @JSDorn @Insomnolant @MechaSilvio @Sprayfoam_Sal @lichelordgodfrey @sickburnbro I hope I've been clear enough on the point that there is nothing about anti-Semitism, racism, 3P/fascism or Christianity that renders any of them incompatible.
It just takes leaders willing to lead and teach the right doctrines - no distortions or bad faith, retcons etc... required.
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