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   Exile (exile@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 03:46:57 JST Exile

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   "That old time religion b/c we say so" was no defense against modernity two centuries ago and it's not one now.
   
   "Deus vult" hasn't really worked since the Enlightenment and by the time Nietzsche declared god dead, it was certainly a spent argument.
   
   Christians need to take on modernity, honestly address the challenges, resist the subversive elements and push back on the oppression.
   
   To do that, they need pastors and priests and preachers who are willing to do the hard and never-ending work of discernment and teaching. Every day - taking the world as it is.
   
   Simply saying "read the Book" or "here's what the Book says" isn't enough.
   
   It's lazy and it's exactly what Jung talked about with his father the pastor - a man whose faith was grounded in words and study who had never had a mystical experience in his life. All brain, little heart, no soul.
   
   Destroying the unbelievers with facts and logic isn't enough - setting aside the fact that what you're labeling as facts and logic are really preferences and interpretations.
   
   RT: https://poa.st/objects/efc031dc-957a-47f9-8813-712c10965dd6
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     Jim (nou@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 03:46:52 JST Jim

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     @Tactical @RoyalJohnny242 @SuperLutheran @Exile >not preferring pumpkin
     Are you even White...?
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     @Nou @Tactical @SuperLutheran @Exile Pumpkin pie is delicious
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     Tactical :njp: ?? ?? ? (tactical@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 03:46:53 JST Tactical :njp: ?? ?? ?

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     @RoyalJohnny242 @SuperLutheran @Exile Apple pie is God's gift to humanity
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     SuperLutheran (kicky half) (superlutheran@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 03:46:54 JST SuperLutheran (kicky half)

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     @Exile >authenticity
     I'm a Pietist, thank-you-very-much. And I can be that while also believing what the Scriptures say plainly.
     
     Reading over your conversation with the armutt dude, you argue exactly like the neo-orthodox and social-gospel types did in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Almost word for word, with accusations of ivory towers (sorry, "faery-castle") and bibliolatry, imposing demands of "real life issues" as though that isn's something orthodox pastors were already doing - I half expect to hear you say "Deeds, not Creeds!"
     
     No, the modern man does not necessarily interpret every "myth" as "faery tales." I can point you to 2 million LCMS members, 750,000 WELS members, as well as every member of fundamental Baptists and nearly all theonomists in the Reformed tradition. All modern, all YEC. And for those moderns who don't agree with YEC, I have lost exactly zero friends over the disagreement.
     
     But that's beside the point. How much of what is described in Scripture do you believe never happened?
     
     You may have noticed that over the past year of being on Poast, I have not once gotten into a "sectarian" argument over YEC with anyone. Myles and I had a friendly debate on Rand's stream.
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     ???Irannosaurus_Rexist ??? (royaljohnny242@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 03:46:54 JST ???Irannosaurus_Rexist ???

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     @SuperLutheran @Exile I’m a pietist too
     
     Specifically banana cream pie with Oreo crust and toppings
     
     Truly a blessing
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     Exile (exile@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 03:46:55 JST Exile

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     @SuperLutheran I've done some work for the institutional churches. Most of those guys I've met have been more businessman than pastor. And I've attended a few dozen churches traveling in the last few years. I make it a point to meet the pastors if I can and talk with them a bit - I'm a guy who's maybe looking to move, tell me about the church, etc.... No one impressed me much.
     
     You said you were concerned that doctrinal compromise on Virgin Birth was leading to the present awful state (I assume you mean sexual degeneracy and familial collapse).
     
     I'm saying that people don't rely on these faery-castle theological constructs and that pastors neither have to or should.
     
     There are plenty of meatspace reasons not to be a degenerate - and everything in your heart and soul militates against it, if you just stop to listen. That's Christ (or Odin or Buddha). Preach that - but first live it. Be able to look them in the eye and inspire them with authenticity.
     
     Modern people will not accept mythology as an actual, literal happening. Trying to convince them to take their own side based on what they're going to process as faery tales is the wrong approach.
     
     As is dragging us through sectarianism over which Jews were good Jews when, how many times to cross yourself or what words must be used in prayer.
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     Exile (exile@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 03:46:56 JST Exile

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     @SuperLutheran Saying the Earth is 6000 years old does not lead to victory.
     
     The guy I'm replying to said "the Book is Christ, Christ is the Book." Sounds exclusive - unless you're using a bespoke definition of Book, which he no doubt would.
     
     I have honestly met dozens of pastors who are lazy in that way and many others.
     
     The institutional church did not reach the nadir it's at right now with a full staff of good pastors on hand. Be real.
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     SuperLutheran (kicky half) (superlutheran@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 03:46:56 JST SuperLutheran (kicky half)

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     @Exile Saying it's billions of years old doesn't lead to victory either. Literally nobody has told me they were just THIS CLOSE to being one of /ourguys/ but then turned and ran right back to neoliberalism because of YEC believers.
     
     The guy you're responding to sound like he's being cheeky. He probably understands the distinction between Logos and Rhema, but doesn't feel like bringing it up.
     
     "Dozens?" Do you work in a denominational field office or something?
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     SuperLutheran (kicky half) (superlutheran@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 03:46:57 JST SuperLutheran (kicky half)

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     @Exile Taking on modernity while making compromises with it leads to complete surrender.
     Also going by the Book is not mutually exclusive with spiritual experience or dealing with real life. I honestly never met a pastor that was "lazy" in the way you're describing.
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     UnityOstara (unityostara@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 03:58:40 JST UnityOstara

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     @SuperLutheran @Exile I like how the young/old Earth discussion actually makes us open up the Bible.
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     UnityOstara (unityostara@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 03:58:40 JST UnityOstara

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     @SuperLutheran @Exile When it comes to theories about Creation, I like to think I have an open mind, but with a submarine net.
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     ReligitardKiller (religitardkiller@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 03:58:44 JST ReligitardKiller

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     @UnityOstara @SuperLutheran @Exile The fact that you wrote creation with a capital C contradicts that assertion. Creation myths are all the same. They all involve something coming out of nothing by some supernatural being that shapes everything into what it is. They not the only worldviews of reality. Numbers of eastern beliefs do not have creation myths.
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     johnbudd1350 (johnbudd1350@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 04:03:31 JST johnbudd1350

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     @JSDorn @SuperLutheran @Exile Speaking of, I wonder what flavor of Christmas Hellthread we will get in December this year
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     SuperLutheran (kicky half) (superlutheran@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 04:03:32 JST SuperLutheran (kicky half)

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     @Exile Christ's Resurrection from the dead is THE sine qua non of the Gospel. St. Paul spends 58 verses defending it in 1 Corinthians 15. But I'm sure you deny St. Paul for very Tubingen reasons, but he is in agreement with every Gospel writer including it, St. John saying he was an eyewitness, etc.
     
     As for the Trinity, I'm very certain you've tooooootally read the Fathers who wrote on the topic well over a hundred years before the Council of Nicea. Sure.
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     JSDorn ?? (jsdorn@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 04:03:32 JST JSDorn ??

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     @SuperLutheran @Exile somebody is gonna get SLAPS for Christmas
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     Exile (exile@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 04:03:33 JST Exile

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     @SuperLutheran 70%? Really? Treating these details the core of your faith is the problem.
     
     You're misusing them the same way all of the Nicene sophists did with their debates - as a loyalty test for which mortal side you are on.
     
     I've always believed that Christ's willingness to suffer and die in a man's body for man's sins (and show them a better way to live) was central to Christianity.
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     Exile (exile@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 04:03:34 JST Exile

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     @SuperLutheran No and no. I think Christ manifested after death, maybe even in a form Thomas and others believed they touched. But simply got back up in the same body and walked out, no.
     
     As for the Trinity, absolutely not, without qualifications. Trying to apply neat categories of father, son and spirit to your god is the height of metaphysical presumption and ignorance.
     
     Neither of these beliefs are central to Christ's incarnation, his continuing existence as a god as we speak, or the fact that he, not Yahweh, is your god.
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     SuperLutheran (kicky half) (superlutheran@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 04:03:34 JST SuperLutheran (kicky half)

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     @Exile So you're throwing out about 70% of the New Testament then and the literal core of the Christian faith. Got it, not a Christian at all (a follower of Schleiermacher at best), but wanting to tell Christians what they should do.
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     Exile (exile@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 04:03:35 JST Exile

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     @SuperLutheran The fact the arguments were made before doesn't mean they were settled. Obviously they weren't, here we are having them.
     
     I don't think your approach settles anything and you don't agree with mine either. That's where the prior debate was left - entirely unresolved, some persuaded, some not, some rejecting the whole dispute as nonsense.
     
     None of the mythological salients like YEC are central to anyone's beliefs and values with the exception of spergy extreme outliers. Those beliefs are adornments.
     
     I think most everything in terms of events and the general spirt of what was said in the Gospels is reliable.
     
     The vast majority of things that have riven the Church haven't been about whether Christ really owned the rabbis at a tender age, tore up the Temple, faced death without fear or rose from the dead.
     
     They've been over things like Trinitarian filoques and other allegedly metaphysical vehicles for factional disputes in church politics. And those disputes cost lives, not just friendships.
     
     Only because modern men don't take religion seriously has that element softened (and unlike fedoras, I don't consider that progress).
     
     I want religion to be serious but have some metaphysical humility and honesty as to what we know (you have an eternal soul and are part of a greater pattern you can only barely grasp at this stage) and what we're strongly inferring vs. simply guessing or asserting.
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     SuperLutheran (kicky half) (superlutheran@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 04:03:35 JST SuperLutheran (kicky half)

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     @Exile First of all, I will not do what Stephen Jay Gould tells me to do. Non overlapping magisteria is DOA so far as it concerns me.
     But tell me, do you believe Jesus Christ physically rose from the dead? And do you believe in the Trinity?
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     johnbudd1350 (johnbudd1350@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 04:06:21 JST johnbudd1350

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     @mkultra @JSDorn @SuperLutheran @Exile Jokes on you I poast from my handheld rectangle of death I'll always be here
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     Müngoose Kikimora (mkultra@wolfgirl.bar)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 04:06:22 JST Müngoose Kikimora

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     @johnbudd1350 @JSDorn @SuperLutheran @Exile That's how you really can tell who's a loser and who isn't.
     
     I can tell you ahead of time I'll be with my extended family away from my computer, so you can forget about inviting me.
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     JSDorn ?? (jsdorn@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 04:07:31 JST JSDorn ??

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     @johnbudd1350 @SuperLutheran @Exile using little light bulbs to light your tree virgins versus setting the tree on fire chads
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     Müngoose Kikimora (mkultra@wolfgirl.bar)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 04:08:45 JST Müngoose Kikimora

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     @johnbudd1350 @JSDorn @SuperLutheran @Exile I mean I do to occassionally but its so goddamn annoying I don't use it often.
     
     Hell I don't participate in most hellthreads that cross my screen.
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     johnbudd1350 (johnbudd1350@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 04:09:04 JST johnbudd1350

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     @mkultra @JSDorn @SuperLutheran @Exile Me too, until recently. Nothing of value besides upcummies were gained
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     johnbudd1350 (johnbudd1350@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 04:11:44 JST johnbudd1350

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     @mkultra @JSDorn @SuperLutheran @Exile I would ask for a summary of your learnings, but I'm afraid that will start the hellthread cycle over again
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     @johnbudd1350 @JSDorn @SuperLutheran @Exile I learned quite a bit.
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     Müngoose Kikimora (mkultra@wolfgirl.bar)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 04:14:53 JST Müngoose Kikimora

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     @johnbudd1350 @JSDorn @SuperLutheran @Exile Every interaction is a chance to learn. The depth of faggotry has no end either.
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     HyperboreanWave (hyperboreanwave@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 04:21:21 JST HyperboreanWave

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     @DEngineer @matty @SuperLutheran You are a low status loser both in this society and would-be Wigtopia
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     Matty (matty@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 04:21:21 JST Matty

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     Do me next pls
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     @matty @HyperboreanWave @SuperLutheran he’s describing the customs and mores of Wigtopia (a sort of anti-Wakanda), a magical land that’s going to manifest any day now

     (ignore the fact that his hand is in his pants, furiously stroking, as he’s doing it)

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     HyperboreanWave (hyperboreanwave@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 04:21:26 JST HyperboreanWave

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     @SuperLutheran Right, society has no use for you, but the movement does. Ideally your retarded beliefs wouldn't exist but we live in a non-ideal world so I am willing to tolerate you.
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     What the hell are you bleating about
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     SuperLutheran (kicky half) (superlutheran@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 04:21:27 JST SuperLutheran (kicky half)

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     @HyperboreanWave Oh, ok. So it's not the moobment that should expel them, it's everyone that should kill them. Thanks for clearing that up weirdo
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     SuperLutheran (kicky half) (superlutheran@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 04:21:28 JST SuperLutheran (kicky half)

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     @HyperboreanWave >I don't have DK's hard stance on them needing to be actively purged
     >also shoot them
     Sure thing dork.
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     HyperboreanWave (hyperboreanwave@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 04:21:28 JST HyperboreanWave

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     @SuperLutheran I corrected the post to refer to society not "we" as in White Nationalists.
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     @SuperLutheran Ya, what about it? You believe in an unknowable world? If so why shouldn't society shoot you in the head?
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     @happypirate @SuperLutheran @Exile I don't have DK's hard stance on them needing to be actively purged, but YEC is retarded and so if someone is mocking it that's natural. Our movement is about showing the truth to White people so why would someone be surprised when their lies are getting exposed?
     The average prole doesn't need to know about science in that they don't have to learn all the formulas and be able to reproduce it themselves, but I think having a population that is generally informed about the world is a good thing. I certainly don't think something like Nazi Germany, which was at the forefront of science, would value ignorance.
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     @HyperboreanWave @happypirate @Exile This u, dweeb?
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     happypirate (happypirate@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 04:21:31 JST happypirate

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     @SuperLutheran @Exile >Saying it's billions of years old doesn't lead to victory either. Literally nobody has told me they were just THIS CLOSE to being one of /ourguys/ but then turned and ran right back to neoliberalism because of YEC believers.
     
     That's true. It's not a point worth breaking with others over. The belief that it is harmful rings of the moderate pro-white types who are always worried about how everything looks. They won't take on positions considered "fringe" beyond very basic and tame White advocacy because it is all "fringe" upon "fringe". Those people have done some good work, but have they won? Does Jared Taylor make his case unassailable? Is AmRen threatening to become mainstream?
     
     On balance, if attacking evolutionary theory and modern cosmology among the proles makes them less favorable toward scientism and globohomo, it is good. Why does a plumber need to know evolutionary theory?
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     HyperboreanWave (hyperboreanwave@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 04:22:08 JST HyperboreanWave

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     @matty @DEngineer @SuperLutheran Are you a christschizo? Then same analysis applies.
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     Zealist (zealist@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 04:46:52 JST Zealist

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     @JSDorn @johnbudd1350 @Exile @SuperLutheran i have a little fake pre lit tree that my mom bought me, but i also never take it down.
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