Notices by Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz), page 2

"And then people think 'oh my god that means we're about to head back into a world of autocracy and fascism'. No! It should mean we're about to head to a world of different kinds of democracy."

#DavidRunciman, 2025

https://www.ppfideas.com/episodes/fixing-democracy%3A-citizens%E2%80%99-assemblies

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@morph
> get a server setup without the need of third party stuff (Google, AWS, etc)

But why? It's like Delta Chat building Chatserver. They're both reinventing a wheel that was already invented as XMPP and then reinvented as matrix. Why not just make Molly (or DC) work as a client for XMPP and/or Matrix servers instead of writing a standalone server from scratch?

I guess they have their reasons, and I'm curious to know what they are.

@FediThing @ricci @mellifluousbox

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@morph
> matrix is expensive regarding resources

I'm not convinced. I'd like to see benchmarking data on the performance of a 2026 matrix server running Matrix 2.0, and an XMPP server using sufficient XEPs to do everything that matrix server does, *including* fully decentralised rooms. I doubt the resource use would be much different.

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@morph
> I'm sure the forks will communicate. Otherwise the project would not make sense at all

Agreed. There's simply be no point in reimplementing otherwise.

Hopefully using an existing federation standard like XMPP or Matrix. In the best case scenario, this proof-of-concept will convince the post-Moxie management of Signal to embrace interoperability. Pressure from EU regulators enforcing DMA is probably nudging them in that direction anyway.

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@morph
> The maintainers of of the Molly fork are currently on a project called Flatline, an independent Signal server

I don't understand the purpose of this. You can set up an independent Signal server right now by standing up an instance of the server code Signal publish;

https://softwaremill.com/what-ive-learned-from-signal-server-source-code/ (trying to avoid linking to GritHub and this is an interesting tour through the architecture).

Therefore ...

@FediThing @ricci @mellifluousbox

@ricci
> the shape of the Signal network

There's no network to measure the decentralisation of. Signal is a single service, controlled by a single operator, hosted on hyperscalers (AWS and a couple of others). It's 100% centralised, by design.

But like @mellifluousbox, I'd love to see the decentralisation of the @matrix network added to your site. Also XMPP and Nostr.

@FediThing

"Years of not fitting in and being afraid of being busted takes it's toll. I have had a lifetime of being unsure of how to conduct myself and being baffled by others' behaviour. For many years I thought my only choice was to be constantly on the move. I have lost track of the times I have given all my belongings away and melted into the night."

#AnissaLjanta, Wild of Brain, 2024

https://www.wildofbrain.com/

OMG this is so me!

#books #neurodivergence

@nelfan
> introduce an invitation in the conversation to an already existing safe encrypted software for that kind of needs?

My first thought whenever this comes up is; why not use Matrix?

But after a couple of decades of following this, I accept that protocol evolution comes in waves. Both Matrix and AP folks doing MLS implementions moves both networks a step closer to overlapping. Maybe like the overlap between OStatus and Diaspora that led to AP?

@benpate @ni @swf @sovtechfund @bonfire

@Dicey
> maybe you experienced another internet than me

I guess so. I've seen people online helping each other with all manner of practical problems. Giving comfort during difficult times. Organising activities. That's on top of all the large-scale collaboration where people help each other via the commons; Free Code software, Wikipedia, etc, etc.

@icedquinn

@Dicey
> Wikipedia is run by inteligency agencies

Uh-huh. That raises more than a few questions. But let's start with, why? It would be much less effort for spooks to buy Britannica than to keep control of Wikipedia.

Secondly, do you think all Open Source projects are run by spooks too? What about Open Street Map? Appropedia? Open Food Facts? iFixit? Thingiverse? Open Source Ecology? Stack Overflow? BitTorrent?!? There are so many examples of people helping each other online.

@icedquinn

@icedquinn
> i asked the bot (claude) about some social stuff today

Did you ask Talkie Toaster? ; )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRq_SAuQDec

@Dicey

@icedquinn
> i wouldn't say this space or conversation has been helpful at all

You get no value at all from being in the fediverse? You've been active here for quite a while, so I find that a bit hard to believe.

But you're clearly feeling frustrated or lonely or something, feel free to share whatever that it (using Direct posts if that's more comfortable for you).

@Dicey

@icedquinn People behaving worse online than we do in person is definitely a thing. Anyone who thinks people are never dicks in person never experienced school. So the opposite may be a thing in some cases as well.

I think it's worth keeping in mind that social behaviour is as much a function of context as it is personality, cognition or biology. It's an interference pattern between all these things and more.

@Dicey
> the internet isn't known for being a place where people work together or give a helping hand.

This is irony, right? I'm guessing, because irony doesn't work so well in the absence of tone of voice, facial expression and body language.

If you're serious, I can think of a few hundred counterexamples. Including the very existence of the space in which we're having this conversation ; )

@icedquinn

@icedquinn
> i don't meet people in person or go outside much in the past 20 years

Probably better for public safety. Not great for you, but that's what the net is for ; )

@icedquinn
> near the end of my elementary school days people took to ghosting conversations in person

> i'd start just hitting them and/or other shit when they did it

Starting to come up with a theory on why people avoid you in-person ... ; )

@icedquinn
> I don't think either of the cats here have had opinions on data processing

The Trained #MOLE didn't have any opinions on it either. It just regurgitated some words vaguely related to the words you prompted it with. Any opinions involved were your own.

> where sonnet at least confirmed there was nothing else for me to learn about the problem

Rubber duck debugging at work ; )

@icedquinn
> i am already as smart as claude

You're a fair bit smarter than that, since I've met cats smarter than Claude, which isn't any smarter than a "smart TV".

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@ljrk
> I can walk up to two people speaking in "public" to eavesdrop on their conversation

That's not a valid metaphor for Public posts on a federated network. It's more like 2 people speaking on a stage using microphones, connected to a global livestream.

If you don't want strangers to listen to your conversation, that's easy! Just get off the stage. If you want to have a private conversation in a public space that people won't eavesdrop on, that's what Direct posts are for.

@nate

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@ljrk
> it can only be consensual if whatever happens is somewhat "expected"

That's like saying that striking up a conversation with someone at a speed dating event isn't consensual, if that person didn't expect to be spoken to at the event. If people choose to go into a situation, not expecting things that can be reasonably expected, that's on them. Not on everyone else for not being mindreaders.