Notices by Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz), page 2

@p
> It's an ambitious *PR campaign*

All the examples I listed could be dismissed in that way, and even more so before they succeeded.

> I JUST LOVE WHEN PEOPLE DRAG ISRAEL INTO THE THREAD

I'm presuming I'm in sensible company here, in which no one will object to a simple statement of fact about how majority perceptions have changed. Am I wrong?
http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/12/17/the-toxoplasma-of-rage/

Read it. Agree it's insightful.

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@p
> Using *character* count to limit *tags* is really effin' stupid

Why? What serious problem(s) are caused by doing it this way?

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@p
> What do you mean when you use that term?

A tolerant society is what it says on the tin. One in which there is tolerance of difference. That *includes* tolerating a minority who hold onto intolerant views, in the hopes that the various factors that generate such intolerance can be understood and alleviated.

Why do you ask?

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@p
> uphill battle trying to get normies to care or to stop being shitty

No doubt. Most ambitious things worth doing are.

If people avoided uphill battles, the US would still be (openly) enslaving black people, South Africa would still have Apartheid, and most people would still have an islampaphobic view of the IDF's genocide, where the Palestinians are getting their just rewards for being mean to Middle Eastern Jews (which they weren't).

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@p
> they appear to have done something ridiculous

Huh?

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@p
> It's an expression, you know

Indeed. It's an expression that associates being autistic with various negative personality traits (in this case being obsessive to the point of breaking UX). Like calling anyone who does dysfunctional shit "skitzo" associates that behaviour with being schizophrenic. FTS.

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@p
> tags and links stopped counting towards the character limit

In Mastodon there's now a cap on how many characters each tag, link and @mention use up. One of the few benefits of this is limiting people's ability to spam me with massive numbers of links, tags and/or @mentions.

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@p
> a reasonable thing to say to someone that is trying to get us all killed and being paid ungodly sums of money for that

Can't think of any good reason to disagree with that.

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@WaughheadRex
> Plato and much of the downstream philosophy (western culture)

Firstly, there was never was a "West". Plato and other Greek writers saw themselves as part of a Mediterranean civilisation, with no connection to anything going on in what we now think of as Europe;

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/david-graeber-there-never-was-a-west

According to David Miles, to classical Greeks, Europeans were among the Keltoi; the barbarians to the north;

https://www.hardtofind.co.nz/book/xxbbaa41566/The-Tribes-of-Britain

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@sampler
> Can you prove that you have an autism diagnosis?

Can you prove you're a human and not a Trained #MOLE?

> A lot of people online just pretend to be autistic so they can get free money

I'm sorry, I seem to have forgotten posting requests for money. Can you link to some of these posts to jog my memory?

Way to utterly miss the point dude. You're not even in same country as the point. I'm not sure you're even on the same planet.

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@nicholas
>...the rest of the story.

Pavlov's dogs drooled on queue regardless of whether the situation actually calls for that. Maybe we can be more aware of context that? *sigh*

https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey/116442469604430519

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@p
> A tolerant society means what, precisely?

That's the million dollar question, isn't it. One we've all been grappling with since Popper's time, and probably much longer.

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@p
> My takeaway was "this is the lifecycle of subcultures"

I would say the main point was 'this is why subcultures are unsustainable as a mode of meaningness'. One that can eject sociopaths becomes something else.

> sociopaths are morally comfortable using everyone for their own ends, while normal people don't really do much to stop this

... is just an assumption baked into common usage of the term, which is followed by its use in the article.

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@p
> WE HAVE TO GET YOU MORE LETTERS

If multi-post threads really bother you I can switch to my Friendica account. I keep forgetting I have it, and I *hate* the cludgy interface with a burning passion. But if you *really* need me to ...

> He should try having a better frontend. (Tweetdeck has always sucked.)

The default Masto interface is modelled on Pinafore and has been for years. Although the one modeled on TD is still there as an opt-in.

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@p
> I also don't tend to buy "If you don't agree with my conclusion, you must not know what I know" arguments

I'm just rolling with the playful banter style of posting you folks seem to favour. I hope it didn't distract you from the point I was making.

> that was Quinn's point and I think it's a reasonable point

Sure, but it's totally orthogonal to the point I was making. We don't need to follow the script here folks, we can improv. Go wild! ; }

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@phnt
> The reason is Gargron was autistic about his vision of a Twitter

I'm not sure if Gargron is autistic and this is neither here nor there. I think the word you're looking for is 'obsessive' (me=actually autistic).

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The Public Not Public self-delusion rides again *sigh*;

https://www.loomio.com/d/ASGoq9TQ/zeitgeist-and-other-fediverse-llms/112

Putting aside the technical reality (which is unwise), what it boils down to is this; do you want to be able to speak to a global audience, with all the opportunities and privileges that come with that?

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#PublicNotPublic

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@p
> I don't think the paradox of tolerance is a real paradox

Then I suggest you learn a bit more about the history of the 20th century, or read Chapman's piece about how subcultures fail again. Because it absolutely is. Just not in the way centrist authoritarians claiming to be liberals spin it.

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This is all out of context, because what I'm proposing clearly isn't "authoritarian solutions", but systematic defence *against* them. But since we're arguing the toss ...

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@icedquinn
> nobody seems to have ever read the book

I admit I haven't (I must), but I did investigate what Popper actually said;

"If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them."

https://www.libertarianism.org/columns/paradox-tolerance

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