Notices by Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz), page 2

I went to the Stop the War march in Tamariki Makaurau yesterday. Despite the impending cyclone, and the implied threats of violence from pro-US counterprotesters, a few hundred people attended. Enough to block Queen St and Custom St while we marched down to the US consulate, and did a mass die-in. This video covers it pretty well;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWJ0lPckSNQ

There's another day of action planned for May Day (May 1).

#StopTheWar #Auckland #protests

@evan
> I think it's an interesting way to connect to social networks

Absolutely! I'd love to be able to;

* post on a Movim instance using my XMPP account, and have it auto-posted on my Mastodon account

* post to my Mastodon account using my Matrix account and a room dedicated to that purpose (all messages sent to room become fediverse posts)

* use my Mastodon account to join in (low-traffic) XMPP/Matrix group chats, by @mentioning a group actor (a la Lemmy)

@rabble @blaine @ralphm @kellan

@evan
> You seem to be confused about the state of XMPP at Twitter

Very much so. I appreciate the clarification from all of you.

> There was an experiment federating text using PubSub between Jaiku and Twitter at FOO Camp in 2008

> Twitter ... could receive updates over XMPP, you could post, and you could reply. Identi.ca had a very similar system

I vaguely remember getting very excited about being able to post to my identi.ca account from my XMPP app : )

@rabble @blaine @ralphm @kellan

@evan
> it was a great talk!

I presume we're talking about the 2008 talk summarised here;

https://archive.nytimes.com/open.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/24/oscon-2008-day-01-sessions/

... which links to the slides here;

https://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/beyond-rest-building-data-services-with-xmpp-pubsub/525883

I note that this talk was given right around the time Identi.ca was launched. So again, I'm wondering what technical reasons @evan had for developing OStatus for StatusNet, and would the same decisions be made if they knew then what they know now about the state of XMPP at the time?

@rabble @blaine @ralphm @kellan

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@ralphm
> I built a federation of about ~60 social networking sites at @mediamatic using XMPP PubSub

Intriguing. Did you know this @rabble? What were the obstacles you hit with XMPP at Titter? I was wondering as long ago as 2017 why @evan didn't build StatusNet on XMPP.

Did/ does this MediaMatic infrastructure interop with Movim and Libervia stuff? What's the UX of that like?

@blaine

#TechShowerThoughts:

Graphical interfaces are documentation with buttons.

The web is the documentation layer of the internet. Hyperlinking makes it documentation with buttons. So the web is also the native graphical interface of the net.

Webmail made email the first social layer of the web.

The fediverse adds another social layer to the web. As does the matrix network.

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#fediverse #SocialWeb

The jabber network seemed like a logical realtime social layer for the web. It almost was, when Goggle integrated open federation over XMPP with GMail's web chat, and experimented with extensions to add features like voice calls (Jingle) and collaboration (Wave).

But standards-friendly engineers like @rabble tried to build federated Titter on XMPP and couldn't stretch it to fit. Could Wave have worked?

XMPP social apps do exist, like Movim and Libervia. Could 2026 be the Year of Jabber?

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One of the actions recommended by the #KeepAndroidOpen campaign is to;

"Provide feedback directly to Google using their Android developer verification requirements survey"

https://keepandroidopen.org/

They provide a link to that survey, and I've been meaning to make use of it for a while. Tonight I just used it to very politely tear Alphabet and their subsidiaries a new one. Here's what I wrote;

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#Android #enshittification #CommonsStewardship

@hexaheximal
> If there are LLM agent files, you sure as hell can't trust the project to not commit LLM code

It's a bit like noticing that a restaurant kitchen has a note on the wall, with instructions for how to add raw sewage to soup. It's not smoking gun evidence that any given soup served in that restaurant contains raw sewage. But you probably wouldn't order the soup all the same ; }

@pfefferle @xarvos @FediTips

@xarvos
> would you count wordpress as fediverse software?

Kind of? We do list their AP plug-in on the dev tools page.

> it has agents.md, has copilot PRs

Jesus wept, another one? Do you know if the AP plugin is itself vibe coded? I guess @pfefferle would be the person to ask about this : D

@hexaheximal @FediTips

Was it really 15 years ago that the majority of the OpenOffice community voted with their feet against Oracle? Forking the software as LibreOffice, and forming the Document Foundation as a vendor-neutral stewardship body for this office software commons;

https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2025/09/28/libreoffice-turns-15/

Like the forking of OwnCloud as NextCloud, a reminder that poor Free Code stewards can be forked around (looking at you Mozilla and Android/Linux).

EDIT: typo

#forking #OpenOffice #LibreOffice #Mozilla #Android

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@gilles
> I am pretty sure that I am not the only man who has a slight physical reaction when hearing or even reading the word "mansplaining"

Nope. Makes my skin crawl. Probably because as well as legitimate uses by feminists who are indeed being patronised, I've seen it used to bully autistic men for infodumping.

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I get that being lectured is annoying, especially when it's obviously happening for gender-biased reasons. But a lot of people don't get that many autistics are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Either we get written off as "too quiet" and insufficiently chatty, or if we loosen up and communicate in the way that comes naturally to us, people accuse us of lecturing, or if we're men, "mansplaining".

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Social interactions with neurotypicals can be a minefield for us. Adding emotionally potent identity politics ordinance to that minefield, can make social life not merely anxiety-inducing, but existentially terrifying.

So yeah, my hackles get raised when I come across the term "mansplaining". Like @gilles, I'm open to the possibility there's a little bit of bruised male ego in that. But I don't think that's mainly why it bothers me.

Hey @DePemig, there seems to be some kind of bug in;

https://blog.gillesdutilh.com/2025/03/the-pain-in-mansplaining/

... that's making it serve raw JSON instead of the web page I saw last night. I've tried it in both LibreWolf on Fedora/Mate, and Fennec F-Droid and WebLibre on Android, happened in all 3.

CC @pfefferle

I just started reading the blog of @gilles. #HatTip to @mayel for the link to Gilles' homepage.

Anyway, I read this blog post;
https://blog.gillesdutilh.com/2025/03/the-pain-in-mansplaining/

... and saw "fediverse reactions" at the bottom. So I tried putting that URL into the @Mastodon search bar. No dice.

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#UX #FediverseUX

But I'm stubborn. So I clicked the little Mastodon icon at the bottom of the post, which took me to this page;

https://blog.gillesdutilh.com/share-and-follow-on-mastodon/

Where @Gilles reminded me about following, so what the hey, I did that. Wondering if that would make all their blog posts visible on their profile in my Mastodon app. It didn't. Just a couple.

But did I mention I'm stubborn? So just for shits and gigs, I tried to search the URL for the post I wanted again, and this time it worked. Yay!

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But also not yay.

I got to this result by doing a bunch of highly non-obvious things. I did these because, as already mentioned, I've stubborn. I'm also a natural tinkerer - the plus side of ADHD impulsiveness.

I've also been teaching myself how to use computer interfaces without manuals since I was a child, last century. So I have a lot of confidence to just try things, and a lot of experience to draw from to give me ideas when I'm stuck.

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Finally, I've been using the fediverse since forever. Well, since not long after it started, when Identi.ca was still running StatusNet, and Mastodon wasn't even a sparkle in @Gargron's eye. So I have even more confidence and experience to draw on when it comes to tinkering with fediverse software.

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Most people don't have all 4 of these advantages I've listed above. Many people don't have more than 1. Some don't have *any* of them.

For these people, an experience like I just had is not an intriguing intellectual puzzle to be cracked. It's an elephant blocking their driveway, and they have no idea how one is supposed to go about convincing an elephant to move (you can't move an unwilling elephant unless you have a crane).

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