@leftout@Erik Thanks for five bucks, but I have an income and don't need to steal it. Now how's that supposed to help, you probably ruined someone's life who provided a living and quality of life to thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of people. Will they go to work knowing that if they work hard enough, they just get their stuff taken away and divvied up?
@leftout@Erik How exactly do you define "stealing" in this context?
Do I steal from you if I get any value from an exchange of goods, services or precious metals with you? Did Jeff Bezos come to your house at night and took away a golden family heir from you?
@leftout@Erik > They get richer off of other people’s labour.
Not because someone else did just anything. Because the other labour fits with a bigger plan there is value in another's labour. That bigger plan is called an enterprise. And if you tie up many workes into an enterprise to produce more than nothing, it's not the individual's labour in which there is value. Like if you're just selling what another produces and give them nothing for it, that obviously sucks, and /is/ stealing, as opposed to an enterprise I'm trying to explain. The collective collaboration, clicking into itself and making it more efficient than any singular worker could possibly accomplish, has value not attributable to any individual worker, and who should earn that? The ones who are executing or the ones who are coordinating? Does coordinating labour to produce more than an individual could possibly do have value in itself or should it have no benefit to those coordinating?
@gnu2 Well that is a very fair observation and connects back to how the story frames the reception of the commandments from God. So there is this group, that fled into the desert and through the divided sea, and they are now wondering if, where and how they could now build a society that is as anarchic as possible, but which also remains. If you have God - which is non-negotiable for the sake of the narrative - plus anything less than the commandments, you might perceive it as more anarchic, "free", the problem is just that it will destroy itself and not last. I think the recipe is valid to build or rebuild society that functions and lasts with God and as few rules as in any way possible.
@hydroxxide@leftout@Erik ikr, why does this shit have to be complicated. stupid morals and stupid people being so different. you give two people 10 bucks, and ask them to give it back the next week. one will just give it back, and the other promised someone else that they'd ask you for another 10 to pass that on, too.
@gnu2@augustus If I haven't made sense, I've either been too brief or something got lost in translation. But I have a truly fantastic source for the argument I'm making, so let me elaborate. For the categorization my source ordered them by topic.
To get them out of the way, these first couple of commandments are ritual commandments. They're not freedom related, as they simply guide life with God. - I am the lord thy God: well, obviously you're expected to follow the ideas presented in these writings. - Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image: Yours can't be better than mine and we're not to dispute over Him and which of His images or names are superior - Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain: He is serious business, unachievable, out of this world. - Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy: Think of God once in a while, as if you don't you're not living life /with/ God.
Now come the three freedom-related ones: - Thou shalt not kill: Protect human life. This includes character, by the way. Don't even think about ending another.
- Thou shalt not steal: Protect property. - Thou shalt not covet what is thy neighbour's: Don't even think about the previous one.
- Thou shalt not commit adultery: Protect family. - Honour thy father and thy mother: As they (hopefully, in this age) provided you with an intact household, don't jeopardize yours by even thinking about the previous one. This includes that young generations carry on tradition and the ways of being, culture, which are defined in a pretty detailed manner in any civilized age.
@augustus I've been having a variation of this realization about other people's minds. And I wonder, what the fuck, how do they keep their attic so pristine and clean? Foreclosing oneself to one's own insight is treason before God and all his angels.
What distribution of resources this person would find "just" I am really wondering. Governments accrue way too much, which is extremely unjust as it is, but that's never part of the discussion of redistributist idiocy.
"just one more social program, bro, then everything's fixed, just one more 😭 "
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