@evan as I said, that depends on what "others" were talking about. On who's asking for my time. If they're friends or family - I value theirs slightly more than mine. And if they're not, well, I've only got so many fucks to give.
@a1ba Source 1 also. I don't think there's not much sense in holding on to it for them any longer, as they port all their active projects onto Source 2 these days, and in the right hands Source 1 can still be magical.
There's the issue of Havok, though, and I don't know how tightly integrated it is, and how much work it is to replace it with something like ODE or Bullet or somesuch.
@a1ba please, somebody expain this to me. You are the wealthiest company in the world, making the most popular OS in the world, you have direct ties to hardware manufacturers... how? HOW?? 0_0 XDDDD
@Truck BeOS was my first *nix-like OS. It introduced me to Posix and made me ditch Windows later. So, naturally, I love Haiku. Fond memories.
Popular is important, though. Because why? Because software. Right now, on the desktop market, we have a giant-ass system that almost makes a point out of not following the standards and being incompatible with anything else. And it, somehow, has all the software. And therefore, all the users. Which also means all the developers. Which means all the software. I see this as a giant problem. We need to do away with it somehow.
Seriously, I don't have as much of an issue with MacOS as I have with Windows.
@Truck As for "I don't want containers" - I understand. Neither do I.
But truth be told, we kinda brought them on ourselves. It's because of lack of standardisation also. Every distro is trying to be its own platform. They're mostly the same, but they're different enough to be incompatible on packaging level. This distro uses APT, this distro uses RPM. Some distros follow Posix/HFS, some deviate. Some install onto the base system, some install into /usr/local subtree. There has never been a high-level meeting of, say, Debian, Redhat, BSD and Arch communities to decide that we can't afford fragmentation like this, let's decide on unifying our tools.
And those little wrinkles kept accumulating, until the most obvious answer for a universal Linux package turned out to be a container fat enough so those wrinkles don't matter anymore.
It's sad, but that's the cursed world we have to live in.
In a way, I see flatpak as a stepping stone to something better than this.
By "us", I mean FOSS ecosystem. Currently, we don't have options for a type of person I described couple of messages earlier, not really. And the vast majority of peope on the planet is exactly that type of person: between everything that's going on in their lives almost nobody wants to learn intricate Inner workings of an OS also so they don't accidentally break it.
This is one of the reasons why we keep losing desktop. We insist on people shaping themselves around our products instead of shaping products around people.
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