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James_Dixon (james_dixon@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 03:58:37 JST 
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@Escoffier @Snidely_Whiplash @jesuspilled > I'm not anti-Church i'm anti modern churches that i believe have been corrupted and have failed.
And I agree. Many have. But not all, and you want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
We also disagree about the nature and degree of what they still have right. And since we're talking the sacraments Christ himself commanded that renders your position untenable for me. -
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James_Dixon (james_dixon@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 03:58:37 JST
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@Escoffier @Snidely_Whiplash @jesuspilled > I did not realize you had a laminated "always right" card.
If I didn't think I was right I wouldn't argue my position.
But in this case the words of Christ himself say I am.
> Seems to me that your arguments work better if you just ignore and elide over my arguments, or don't understand them.
Nope. I understand your arguments. But you've never once explained to me how you're going to keep Christ's commandment to perform the sacrament he himself instituted just before his death without a church to do so.
And you don't seem to understand that a house church of any size is still a church, and as such should keep his commandments, most especially that one.
You seem to think it's simply a meal shared by fellow Christians, and it's not. A meal is just a meal. The sacrament is is the body and blood of Christ. That's what you don't seem to get.
> Not sure which it may be but its not terribly compelling. When you suggested i check out a Lutheran Church, if we had been in the same room you would have been struck for that statement. It was obnoxious.
Come by anytime. I make no secret of where I live. But the fact that you would resort to violence over the disagreement merely shows that you don't understand its nature. -
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James_Dixon (james_dixon@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 03:58:11 JST
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@Escoffier @Snidely_Whiplash @jesuspilled > So from an early Church point of view (during the Apostles lifetime) they has what they called the Agape feast which seemed to be a recreation of the Lord's support with actual food and liturgical elements
The modern service is ceremonial in that it recognizes that Christ said that it was actually his body an blood that were being consumed, so proper care of the items is required. Obviously he was there in person to correct any problems at the last supper.
> and then a second gathering which was more casual where they would express their gifts and edify one another.
That's an after service meal, which was still fairly common when I was a child. I don't know how common it is now. Most churches I've been to still serve coffee/tea/snacks after the service though.
> and what error was being fixed by this mashup?
Why does doing things in a more ceremonial, safer (for the elements used in the service), and more convenient way have to be fixing an error? -
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James_Dixon (james_dixon@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 03:58:11 JST
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@Snidely_Whiplash @Escoffier @jesuspilled > The purpose of Mass is to worship God in Spirit and Truth.
The only thing I know for certain about Communion is that Christ commanded us to do it.
"And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me."
As far as I can tell this was intended as a direct commandment to all of his followers for all time, at least until his return.
I consider it extremely unwise to disobey one of his direct commandments. -
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James_Dixon (james_dixon@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 03:58:10 JST
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@Escoffier @Snidely_Whiplash @jesuspilled > I believe the Apostles had a purpose for both gatherings and I think we managed to cobble together the dumbest possible version or perhaps the most pointless version.
There is nothing pointless about the body and blood of Christ. That's the specific thing he commanded us to do.
> The Agape feast was how they did communion not just wine and crackers
Again, the wine and bread are the body and blood of Christ. That's what the commandment is about. Not the meal itself. He didn't say "eat a meal to in remembrance of me". He said "For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come."
That's what the Communion service is. Keeping that specific commandment. We don't know for certain why it's necessary for us to do so (though I can hazard a few guesses), but we know it is because otherwise he would not have commanded it.
Christian fellowship is always a good thing, and the sharing of a meal is a perfectly acceptable part of that. But it's not a Mass. It's not Communion. They're completely separate things. -
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James_Dixon (james_dixon@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 03:58:09 JST
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@Escoffier @Snidely_Whiplash @jesuspilled > Well as that is exactly my position, yes.
And to the degree that you argue the Communion service (Eucharist, Mass, whatever you want to call it) is one of those things, you're wrong.
It really is that simple. You can confess your sins directly to God. You can be married in the eyes of God without a church. Without a church you don't need confirmation or ordination. And arguably even baptism doesn't need the church since it the baptism of the Holy Spirit that matters, though that's not something I'd like to test.
But Communion cannot be replaced outside the Church. It requires a stand in for Christ to consecrate the bread and wine as he did for his disciples. And that is something that not just anyone can do. It requires a community of Christians to choose someone worthy to do so and ask God's blessing on his position, and that community is by definition a church and part of the Church.
Fortunately, God is not limited by space and time, so a virtual church will do for receiving Communion. -
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James_Dixon (james_dixon@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 03:58:09 JST
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@Escoffier @Snidely_Whiplash @jesuspilled > And yet that is how they did it
Is it? I wasn't there. Neither were you.
The Latin Mass goes back at least to the 300's. Did they really get it all wrong in less than 300 years?
Even Wikipedia, which can hardly be considered Christian friendly, notes that " Hugh Somerville-Knapman, O.S.B., says that they should be separate rites, as the Mass promulgated at the Council of Trent was already the pre-existing liturgy of the Diocese of Rome and has direct continuity with the Mass practiced by the apostles"
You can complain about a lot of things with the modern Church, but if you believe the words of Christ, the Communion service is not one of them. -
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James_Dixon (james_dixon@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 03:58:08 JST
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@Escoffier @Snidely_Whiplash @jesuspilled > At this point u have to wonder if we have a language in common?
Not when it comes to the Church, no. Most of what I'm saying is lost on you. -
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James_Dixon (james_dixon@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 03:58:07 JST
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@Escoffier @Snidely_Whiplash @jesuspilled > Oddly enough I feel the exact same way about you
I know. You're wrong about that too, but there's no point in arguing that matter. Whether you think I understand your position or not isn't important. -
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James_Dixon (james_dixon@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 17-Feb-2025 15:20:40 JST
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@Escoffier @jesuspilled The Latin version with English translation of the Extraordinary Form of the Traditional Latin Mass:
https://www.extraordinaryform.org/ExtraordinaryFormTex...
Compare and contrast to the Anglican English Communion from the 1928 Prayer Book:
http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bcp/1928/HC.htm -
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James_Dixon (james_dixon@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 17-Feb-2025 15:20:39 JST
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@Escoffier @jesuspilled > I may be extra dense tonight but i'm not sure what the point is
I merely wanted people to see what was being discussed. Very few people actually know the Traditional Latin Mass or how it was shaped by the English to form the Anglican service. -
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James_Dixon (james_dixon@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 20:18:43 JST
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@gentoobro @Snidely_Whiplash @IAMAL_PHARIUS @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Marshall1Banana > It would require the elimination of a lot of handouts, something that is politically extremely difficult.
Politicians don't care about the loss of handouts. They care about the loss of control caused by shrinking the federal government.
That's what makes it politically untenable, not the loss of the handouts. -
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James_Dixon (james_dixon@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 07-Feb-2025 20:18:42 JST
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@gentoobro @Snidely_Whiplash @IAMAL_PHARIUS @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Marshall1Banana > The handouts are what keeps the deep state in power in practice.
The gib-me-dat's aren't going to vote for anyone besides the democrats. They can just say "we were outvoted" and they'll keep getting their votes. It's the republicans that won't give up the power. -
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James_Dixon (james_dixon@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 30-Jan-2025 11:07:01 JST
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@adequate @Snidely_Whiplash @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @IAMAL_PHARIUS @Marshall1Banana > Gingrich?
Only worked towards balancing the budget, never paying off the debt.
We need to run a 20% surplus to put towards the debt. -
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James_Dixon (james_dixon@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 30-Jan-2025 11:07:00 JST
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@Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @adequate @Snidely_Whiplash @IAMAL_PHARIUS @Marshall1Banana > That will never happen. Neither will a balanced budget.
I know. And once the current government falls or is overthrown future generations will quite rightly simply repudiate the debt. -
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James_Dixon (james_dixon@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 30-Jan-2025 11:06:32 JST
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@Snidely_Whiplash @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @IAMAL_PHARIUS @Marshall1Banana Paying off the federal debt would be easy and wouldn't take any longer than accumulating it did.
In 2023 the federal government took in $4.5T and spent $6.2T. Simply cut federal spending by 33% and put any excess funds towards paying off the deficit. The next years budget is based on 80% of last years revenues (or projected revenues if they're lower).
It merely takes the will to do so. Something no US politician has had since at least the 1950's. -
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James_Dixon (james_dixon@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 30-Jan-2025 04:08:17 JST
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@EssentialUtinsil @Escoffier @sickburnbro > the temple veil tearing in two at the moment of Jesus' death is also pretty clear
The traditional meaning of that event is that with Christ's death the payment for our sins was made and that God could once again dwell with man.
The veil was what separated the inner temple where God dwelt from the portion accessible to everyone. Only the priests who had been ritually purified of their sins could enter past the veil.
Once Christ paid the price of our sins for us, we all became acceptable in the eyes of God and the veil was unnecessary. -
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James_Dixon (james_dixon@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 30-Jan-2025 04:08:07 JST
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@Escoffier @sickburnbro > and ole' John has declared that Jews do not require Jesus to be saved.
Without Christ's sacrifice no one could be saved. If John believes otherwise he's not even remotely a Christian.
That said, an argument could be made that a jew who actually upheld the original covenant would still be saved by Christ's sacrifice, even if he didn't accept Christ as the Messiah. There's only one problem: There is no longer a Temple at which to make the required sacrifices. Whoops.
Why does Hagee think God allowed the Temple to be destroyed? He probably has no idea. The answer is that he did so to make it clear that the original covenant was no longer available as an option. -
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James_Dixon (james_dixon@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 24-Jan-2025 23:52:49 JST
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@NoDoxGregBrady @lovelymiss @Jewpacabra > How can someone so based have such bad food takes.
We ask ourselves that all the time Gxrg, but you never seem to learn, so... -
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James_Dixon (james_dixon@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 24-Jan-2025 23:52:47 JST
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@lovelymiss @NoDoxGregBrady @Jewpacabra > imagine being a hotdog consumer
But Grxg is a hotdog consumer. 🤔
He just draws the line at finely cooked and seasoned tomato paste.
He also puts pineapple on pizza, the heathen. 🤬
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