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Yeah...
RT: https://eveningzoo.club/objects/80c521a3-6c6a-4045-9b97-2e09ebcd75a7
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I don't think you can read. I never said the manner in which they were detained was appropriate or even legal. I said that speech was not the basis of the detention. That's just a fact. That you're a low IQ nigger monkey is your problem
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And they were tried by a jury and convicted. The raid looks justified.
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@Humpleupagus @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta I remember when they went after these guys because of Russia derangement syndrome.
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@Humpleupagus @BasedLunatic @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta The Uhuru movement (and specifically African People's Socialist Party that Omali leads) are retarded but they're not Russian backed.
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I don't know what evidence was presented, but the jury thought that was the case, and I assume that the conviction was based on acts, not speech. I don't have much more to add, except it doesn't facial establish a free speech issue. I just don't know.
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@Humpleupagus @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Bad_Banner it wasn't justified. The were aquited for the main charge as acting as agents of foreign government but since the judge was vague in explaining to jury they were guilty of conspiring with Russia. How can you be guilty of conspiring with Russia without being a agent for foreign government? By that metric 70% of fediversee is guilty
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Like I said, I don't know the facts. And yes, you will have political prosecutions. That's true in every regime. But we're taking about freedom generally, and as to the average person, the US is far more protective of speech than most, if not all, EU countries.
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@Humpleupagus @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta it's better than all European countries combined, the US. But they were trying to weaken first ammendment protections with this case. The whole Russia conflict served as a opportunity. That's why this case was so important.
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@Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Humpleupagus > The people arrested performed illegal acts.
Petitioning the government for the address of grievances is not an illegal act. The people own the government buildings. Being in them is not trespassing.
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Those arrested trespassed on federal property. Now you may think the treatment is harsh, and I agree. But they did violate the law via non-speech / non-petitioning activity. To deny that is just retarded.
What you fail to understand is this...
You cannot outlaw the burning of a flag, but you can outlaw the burning of objects of certain sizes in public or without a permit. Now if such a law exists and you burn an American flag during a protest, you can be arrested for violating that law. That the burning had a speech element does not entail it wasn't the burning of an object in violation of law. To put it another way, the law doesn't care if you burned a flag or a cardboard box and it doesn't look into why you did it. Burning is illegal.
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Sure. Just walk into a federal judges chambers or the oval office.
> I am paying for this microphone.
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@Humpleupagus @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta > Those arrested trespassed on federal property.
You can't trespass on property that belongs to you.
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@Humpleupagus @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta > Sure. Just walk into a federal judges chambers or the oval office.
Unless someone with authority says you can't you're allowed to. All public buildings are open to the public as the default.
No one even tried to tell them they weren't permitted to be there, so they were.
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That's absolutely false.
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> Yup. This guy's retarded.
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Shhh let him 😏
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The pardon power is a plenary power. It can be exercised whether the pardoned party is guilty or innocent, and therefore speaks to neither.
You seriously can't be this dumb. You well know guilty parties are regularly pardoned.
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@Humpleupagus @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta > That's absolutely false.
Then why were they pardoned?
We all know why: Because they didn't actually break the law.
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@Humpleupagus @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta > The pardon power is a plenary power. It can be exercised whether the pardoned party is guilty or innocent, and therefore speaks to neither.
That wasn't what I asked.
> You seriously can't be this dumb. You well know guilty parties are regularly pardoned.
Again not what I asked.
But don't bother answering, because I won't see it.
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You didn't ask anything actually. Do you even know what a question is or how to ask one. Fucking kill yourself, faggot.
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Autism on the timeline. Many such cases.
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Humph’s a lawyer, so OFC you’re getting the legal autism anwser